Felling of British slave trader statue heats up simmering debate

[CorpusChristie]

1 minute ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Then likely that's where it'll be ????

Maybe, maybe not

[Chelseafan]

6 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

if his statue is placed in a museum how is his name forgotten? In fact he will also become part of a new history, one that is unfolding right now, which should also be preserved and not forgotten.

IF it go's into a museum then fine. However that still doesn't excuse mob rule.

This aint Springfield!

 

[BillStrangeOgre]

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

Maybe, maybe not

He actually said...

"We will get the statue back and it will highly likely end up in one of our museums.

"What's happened to this statue is part of this city's history and it's part of that statue's story."

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-protests-slave-trader-statue-was-an-affront-says-bristol-mayor-as-he-reveals-what-will-happen-to-it-now-12002703

 

Doesn't sound like it will be left in the water to me ????

[tribalfusion001]

History evolves and changes in context over time, we are now seeing history evolving. Whether people like it or not, it will be changing. If you try and defend some of these historical figures, then you will be labelled a racist. That is the way it's going.

[CorpusChristie]

4 hours ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

He actually said...

"We will get the statue back and it will highly likely end up in one of our museums.

"What's happened to this statue is part of this city's history and it's part of that statue's story."

https://news.sky.com/story/george-floyd-protests-slave-trader-statue-was-an-affront-says-bristol-mayor-as-he-reveals-what-will-happen-to-it-now-12002703

 

Doesn't sound like it will be left in the water to me ????

Yeah ...................Likely , as I said

[BillStrangeOgre]

13 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

IF it go's into a museum then fine. However that still doesn't excuse mob rule.

This aint Springfield!

 

i would normally agree with you 100% but these are not normal times.

Okay, so the students got away with pulling down an unremarkable statue to very controversial figure. Rather that than police intervention and the risk of a potential riot

[BillStrangeOgre]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Yeah ...................Likely , as I said

Make sure you get the last word, mate ????

[CorpusChristie]

Just now, BillStrangeOgre said:

i would normally agree with you 100% but these are not normal times.

Okay, so the students got away with pulling down an unremarkable statue to very controversial figure. Rather that than police intervention and the risk of a potential riot

Surrendering to riotous people ?

Let mob rule ?

Where will it end ?

[CorpusChristie]

2 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Make sure you get the last word, mate ????

"likely" "Remains to be seen "

Not too different , quite the same really 

[tribalfusion001]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Surrendering to riotous people ?

Let mob rule ?

Where will it end ?

It's a cultural revolution and it's being funded by big data companies. Nothing is by accident, check Nigel Farages latest video.

[BillStrangeOgre]

2 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Surrendering to riotous people ?

Let mob rule ?

Where will it end ?

Just students pulling down a dodgy statue...no need to get frightened ????

[BillStrangeOgre]

4 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

"likely" "Remains to be seen "

Not too different , quite the same really 

Good boy! ????

[evadgib]

1 hour ago, RuamRudy said:

I don't think anyone is wanting to rewrite history, but rather stop lionising these people who we remember as being noble and virtuous, but were, in fact, monsters. 

Nothing he did was illegal in his own lifetime, & for a statue to have been erected more than a century afterwards gives some idea as to how long his legacy lingered in the mindset of Bristolians until well into the 20th century. 

 

Lets hope the South Wales Borderers museum in Brecon has sandbagged the front door up.

(Taking the knee at Rorke's Drift a week after the garrison at Isandlwana had been massacred)

Edited June 8, 2020 by evadgib

[CorpusChristie]

6 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Just students pulling down a dodgy statue...no need to get frightened ????

Well , they were not students , it wasnt a dodgy statue..................and I am not frightened ............apart from that , you are quite correct ????

 

[BillStrangeOgre]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Well , they were not students , it wasnt a dodgy statue..................and I am not frightened ............apart from that , you are quite correct ????

 

Fine ????

[Chelseafan]

13 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

It's a cultural revolution and it's being funded by big data companies. Nothing is by accident, check Nigel Farages latest video.

So vandalism is cultural ?

Just left-wing, commie kids who thinks the world evolves around them.

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Chelseafan

[geriatrickid]

5 hours ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Is it really a good idea for the police to attempt to stop protesters pulling down a controversial statue (there have been attempts to remove it before) and risk public disorder/safety on a larger scale? The statue's of a slave trader. Let them pull it down and vent their anger. The mayor has said it will go in a museum as a historic account of the city. The vast majority of those pulling down the statue were white! ????

 

And yet those white people were nowhere to be found when the Rochdale child sex groomers were engaged in their slave trade.

Nor were they anywhere to be seen  outside West African country embassies of Togo, Mali or Burkina Fasso which have allowed child slave labour to flourish in the cocoa trade.

And they have been awfully silent in respect to the caste system of SE Asia which sees people of the lower castes doomed to poverty and abuse.

Slavery is wrong, but it continues today in many regions. They won't say a word about it, but have the energy to  drag down an old statue of no relevance, which if anything served to remind people of their sordid past.

 

[CorpusChristie]

17 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Good boy! ????

No need to be condescending 

[Chelseafan]

5 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

And yet those white people were nowhere to be found when the Rochdale child sex groomers were engaged in their slave trade.

Nor were they anywhere to be seen  outside West African country embassies of Togo, Mali or Burkina Fasso which have allowed child slave labour to flourish in the cocoa trade.

And they have been awfully silent in respect to the caste system of SE Asia which sees people of the lower castes doomed to poverty and abuse.

Slavery is wrong, but it continues today in many regions. They won't say a word about it, but have the energy to  drag down an old statue of no relevance, which if anything served to remind people of their sordid past.

 

Well said. A case of NIMBY.

 

[BillStrangeOgre]

5 minutes ago, geriatrickid said:

And yet those white people were nowhere to be found when the Rochdale child sex groomers were engaged in their slave trade.

Nor were they anywhere to be seen  outside West African country embassies of Togo, Mali or Burkina Fasso which have allowed child slave labour to flourish in the cocoa trade.

And they have been awfully silent in respect to the caste system of SE Asia which sees people of the lower castes doomed to poverty and abuse.

Slavery is wrong, but it continues today in many regions. They won't say a word about it, but have the energy to  drag down an old statue of no relevance, which if anything served to remind people of their sordid past.

 

Those white people who pulled the statue down can be found in Bristol...????

[CorpusChristie]

3 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Those white people who pulled the statue down can be found in Bristol...????

[CorpusChristie]

[CorpusChristie]

9 minutes ago, BillStrangeOgre said:

Those white people who pulled the statue down can be found in Bristol...????

[tribalfusion001]

25 minutes ago, Chelseafan said:

So vandalism is cultural ?

Just left-wing, commie kids who thinks the world evolves around them.

 

Follow the money, BLM is funded by Open Society Foundations, Borealis Philanthropy and Ford amongst others. Open Society Foundations is George Soros' company, big data and social media companies are driving this agenda, a cultural and economic revolution.

 

Farage is sort of correct today, he thinks that a marxist revolution is on the way, it is left wing driven.

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[BillStrangeOgre]

3 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

Good photos, hadn't seen those. More black people there than i thought...Still, very healthy amount of whites joining in. Good to see the protests had wide support

[RuamRudy]

4 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Follow the money, BLM is funded by Open Society Foundations, Borealis Philanthropy and Ford amongst others. Open Society Foundations is George Soros' company, big data and social media companies are driving this agenda, a cultural and economic revolution.

 

Farage is sort of correct today, he thinks that a marxist revolution is on the way, it is left wing driven.

 

I am not sure that Farage is in a position to lecture anyone about shadowy groups covertly funding front organisations which seek to engage and mobilise the discontent masses with the objective of fundamentally disrupting the status quo - except from a position of active involvement. 

[Chomper Higgot]

3 hours ago, baansgr said:

So us ole whities can demonstrate and loot...it's a known fact more white sailors died transporting slaves than slaves themselves

Then you’ll have no problem producing evidence to back up this known fact of yours.

[tribalfusion001]

4 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

I am not sure that Farage is in a position to lecture anyone about shadowy groups covertly funding front organisations which seek to engage and mobilise the discontent masses with the objective of fundamentally disrupting the status quo - except from a position of active involvement. 

He thinks this a marxist revolution like 1917 unfolding, but this is data and technology driven. Big players pulling the strings in the shadows to usher in a new world of being cashless and data driven. Everything ties up nicely with the virus as the spark for change.

[RuamRudy]

42 minutes ago, evadgib said:

Nothing he did was illegal in his own lifetime, & for a statue to have been erected more than a century afterwards gives some idea as to how long his legacy lingered in the mindset of Bristolians until well into the 20th century. 

 

Lets hope the South Wales Borderers museum in Brecon has sandbagged the front door up.

(Taking the knee at Rorke's Drift a week after the garrison at Isandlwana had been massacred)

Is the legality of his actions a valid excuse in this day and age? The Nazi persecution of Jews in the 1930's was legal under German law but I am certain that nobody would suggest that we should view it any less dimly because of that. 

 

Might it be that if the reality of his actions had been made equally as clear to the masses long before now, his statue might still be standing? Who knows, but in light of this is a development in Edinburgh, which has long celebrated Henry Dundas, a Scot who helped shore up the slave trade in the UK. Now one of his descendants is calling on the council to counterpoint the various statues to him and squares and streets named after him with the warts and all truth about his deeds. It won't change the past but it might appease those who still feel aggrieved. 

 

Descendant of Scottish politician who prolonged slavery urges Edinburgh council to make changes to his ancestor's statue

"Henry Dundas is often celebrated in the city, but one of his descendants has argued the man’s links to prolonging slavery must be exposed."

[Chomper Higgot]

26 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Follow the money, BLM is funded by Open Society Foundations, Borealis Philanthropy and Ford amongst others. Open Society Foundations is George Soros' company, big data and social media companies are driving this agenda, a cultural and economic revolution.

 

Farage is sort of correct today, he thinks that a marxist revolution is on the way, it is left wing driven.

 

Crackpot conspiracy nonsense, except it’s not crackpot - it’s straight out of the extreme rightwing playbook.

 

The ‘Elders of Zion’ re-written for the 21st Century.

 

 

Edited June 8, 2020 by Chomper Higgot