What will happen to foreigners with expired visas after July 31?

[Fromas]

The moral posturing, dumping on others in less fortunate circumstances, is simply sickening to read.

[Don Mega]

1 minute ago, Fromas said:

The moral posturing, dumping on others in less fortunate circumstances, is simply sickening to read.

The flipside is it makes for some entertaining reading !!

[richard_smith237]

11 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

He's still a British Citizen. Living one of the most socialist states in the world - free health care, free social housing if you get lost, partially subsidised dental care, free education, and if you don't have a job you get some free social payouts. 

 

"Oh poor me, i won't get any help, i'll be on the streets'. 

 

Excuses and utter nonsense. 

This is dumbed down over simplification. 

 

I’m in the UK at my sisters (of course, not homeless).

 

Can you tell me (or anyone else) how I can get one of these ‘Free Social Houses’ over the next month while I wait for my country of residence to open back up ????

 

You can’t just ‘come back to the UK’ after spending some time abroad and ‘get a free house’..  you’ll have to show you are destined and can’t afford to rent anywhere. 

 

Short term rents are very expensive (3 to 4x more than yearly rents). Long term rents require a lot of documentation and hoops to jump through (tax returns, proof of income etc) and are not realistic for someone just waiting out Covid-19 before they can return.

 

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Quote: If you are thinking of applying for social housing (also known as council housing) there are some very basic things you should know.

Firstly, just because you live in the UK it doesn’t mean you have an automatic right to receive social housing. You may not be eligible for various reasons, for instance if you are a registered citizen of a different country or if you are a British citizen who is returning to Britain after spending some time living abroad.

Councils usually have waiting lists of people who are looking to be housed by them, but these councils can also choose who they accept onto the list.

 

https://www.thetenantsvoice.co.uk/advice_from_us/are-you-eligible-for-social-housing/

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by richard_smith237

[khunjeff]

7 hours ago, Caldera said:

You're looking at this too narrowly. Some people work in a country other than their home country and cannot return to their "home" as long as only citizens are allowed back in.

 

That's quite true, but it's not necessarily a concern of the Thai Government.

 

Let's imagine a situation in which a Thai person working in Saudi Arabia is in the US or UK on holiday, and Saudi decides to temporarily close its borders to foreign workers due to an epidemic, internal unrest, or whatever.

 

This unfortunate Thai guy waits around until his US or UK authorized stay is about to expire, but Saudi is still closed. So, he goes to the local immigration office and says, "yes, I could fly to Bangkok tomorrow, but my job and my life are in Jeddah - can I just stay here until Saudi opens up again?"

 

What do you think the response would be? My guess would be something along the lines of, "it's too bad that you can't get back to the place you want to go, but your time here is up, so you'd better go ahead and get a ticket to somewhere else if you don't want to get in serious trouble here." At some point, that will probably be the response of Thai Immigration as well.

[khunjeff]

6 hours ago, Jon in Colorado said:

They say nothing of the border with Vietnam - what is that situation - open or closed ??

Thailand does not share a border with Vietnam - you have to pass through Laos or Cambodia to travel by land between the two countries. But Vietnam's borders are still almost entirely closed in any case.

[Don Mega]

2 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

 At some point, that will probably be the response of Thai Immigration as well.

Hopefully.

 

watch the forum light up then !!

[NoshowJones]

4 hours ago, possum1931 said:

"countries are protecting their own citizens first and fourmost".

The UK certainly isn't, there are ex service men sleeping in the streets while "asylum seekers" are piling into the country from France and put in hotels, then given free homes and other benefits. 

 

What are you confused about KhunJeff, I have seen this for years, do you think I am making it up?

[vermin on arrival]

12 minutes ago, khunjeff said:

That's quite true, but it's not necessarily a concern of the Thai Government.

 

What do you think the response would be? My guess would be something along the lines of, "it's too bad that you can't get back to the place you want to go, but your time here is up, so you'd better go ahead and get a ticket to somewhere else if you don't want to get in serious trouble here." At some point, that will probably be the response of Thai Immigration as well.

Or they may be understanding that people have these problems during this global crisis and enable some kind of special extension as the world, in particular Asia, figures out a way to open up. I know that for a fee, Vietnam is allowing people who are stuck to pay to extend for months at a time while this travel blockage continues. It benefits Thailand by gaining needed funds for the government and having these stuck people spend their money in the Thai economy.

 

An interesting and slightly related issue. Here is something that may make opening up of travel possible, but it won't start being available until September https://ajn.timesofisrael.com/israel-invents-one-minute-coronavirus-breath-test/?fbclid=IwAR0CcM-Mg3_JEx3D-Rw4xgadRJP23mObXZXEgDcDPl4OprHhN9MYS-PzNcg

Edited July 9, 2020 by vermin on arrival

[CrunchWrapSupreme]

10 hours ago, fredwiggy said:

I'm wondering why you are taking another's life so seriously. Why do some want others out of Thailand?

Indeed. I would suggest to the Thai government, that these "Kick out all the other farangs but me (because I'm special, for some reason)" people be the first ones on the planes out and blacklisted. They're obviously mentally deranged, and of the greatest danger to this country.

 

Their right wing, tough guy talk of "responsibility" and "freeloaders", along with certain left wing "special snowflakeism", is a bit conflicted. Which way's your head screwed on, fellas?

 

As for myself, I've been a teacher many years, changed jobs right before the lockdowns began, and have been unable to get my new Non-B finalized. I still have a legitimate need for the amnesty extension.

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[Neeranam]

9 hours ago, toolpush said:

Not true.

So which country denies entry to its own citizens lol?

[Puccini]

14 hours ago, richard_smith237 said:

Is there an opportunity for Foreigners (and Thai’s) to travel out of Thailand on one of the many International flights which are arriving daily? 

Yes.

[Maestro]

Removed some troll posts and off-topic posts.

[Bkk Brian]

3 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

An interesting and slightly related issue. Here is something that may make opening up of travel possible, but it won't start being available until September https://ajn.timesofisrael.com/israel-invents-one-minute-coronavirus-breath-test/?fbclid=IwAR0CcM-Mg3_JEx3D-Rw4xgadRJP23mObXZXEgDcDPl4OprHhN9MYS-PzNcg

Wow, that amazing, lets hope it gets approved and then rolled out everywhere, a game changer for testing

[bergan]

15 hours ago, AndrewMciver said:

 No excuses not to return back. Many flights are leaving Thailand that are capable of handling passengers. 

It's not only people on holidays etc., people living here full time on marriage visa (who doesn't have the 400k in the bank, but can provide for their families) for decades are also on expired visas.

[AndrewMciver]

14 hours ago, Pravda said:

 

Who the hell made you HM revenue and customs officer on Thai Visa?

 

He claimed if he was sent back to the UK he would be homeless. Yet he has the funds to live in Thailand, and jet set around. That was my point - that he should use those funds to rent a house back in the UK. 

[thanaka]

I don't understand why people get so upset at each other here lol. It's not like anyone here has any saying in how the country will be managed. You are shouting at each other for no reason

 

I feel like the atmosphere is more tense here than it was in my homecountry that I left because everyone was so serious all the time. Maybe some of you forgot why you came here, maybe you are just angry at your own life idk but you really need to calm down, it's not like getting angry at your monitor is gonna help you with anthing

[spiekerjozef]

If people would have stopped any travel and just stayed where they were a couple of months ago, the world wouldn't be in this mess....

.....but no they all want to travel again.

Edited July 9, 2020 by spiekerjozef

[kamma]

'...Whilst there are now a few opportunities for foreigners to leave or return to Thailand, most are still unable either due to a lack of flights or closed borders in their home countries...'?!

 

A lack of flights is understandable but no country is closing their borders to their own citizens.

 

Who reports this nonsense?!

[richard_smith237]

1 minute ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

He claimed if he was sent back to the UK he would be homeless. Yet he has the funds to live in Thailand, and jet set around. That was my point - that he should use those funds to rent a house back in the UK. 

 

This is what we call ‘sanctimonious superiority’...  

 

I am in the UK, if I didn’t have family to stay with I would have had to pay in the region of 200,000 baht so far for accommodation (thats the prices of places near my family in the UK (Just look at the prices on Air B n B and the short term letting websites).

Cheaper places may be available, but they are in S#!t-holes in an area no one would want to stay there. 

 

So yes, there is choice, but the choice is either an expensive one or not a pleasant one. 

 

The alternative is to stay in Thailand, a choice which people have chosen, where short term rents in a decent place are a far better option. 

 

So, in reality, these folk aren’t ’stranded’, yet they are without a reasonable option because this Covid-19 has left them unable to return to their country of work / residence and their choice is to either return to their country of nationality or stay in Thailand.

 

I can understand why people don’t want to waste their savings sitting in a rented flat / apartment / house when they could be in Thailand. 

 

The unfortunate thing is the conulates were not open to assist with sorting a decent visa out before hand. 

 

 

So... 'Before you judge Walk a Mile in their shoes’ - because those convenient 'throw your money at the problem' is not the ideal solution for all. 

 

 

 

 

 

[AndrewMciver]

12 hours ago, Walker88 said:

 

 

I don't think you are going to open your wallet and aid the many Thais who will lose jobs when the amnesty ends and upwards of 40,000 foreign Western tourists are required to leave. Rather than seem put out by the extended amnesty, you might show some compassion for thousands of Thais who will be laid off when yet more hotels and restaurants close.

 

 

 

As i have said before, you over estimate your importance because you buy a few beers. You aren't meant to be working, so i doubt you are paying any taxes into the system, whilst using up public resources. 

 

I'm all for compassion. Just admit you want to stay so you can enjoy the good life, rather than some sob story that if you return to your home country you will condemned to the gates of hell, sleep rough, or be whipped. 

 

You also know you won't qualify for a return or be able to get the required visa and health insurances, hence why you want some compassion. 

 

 

Edited July 9, 2020 by AndrewMciver

[AndrewMciver]

5 hours ago, Fromas said:

The moral posturing, dumping on others in less fortunate circumstances, is simply sickening to read.

 

Hang on ... i'm in the UK. A country ravaged by the virus, where nearly 1000 people a week are still dying. I have family in Thailand, and i am trying to return to them too. I will try and get all the correct documents, visa and insurances required. 

 

Yet you have tourists/expats in Thailand, relatively free of the virus, and a society pretty much back to normal. Sitting there without the proper visa, now without the proper insurances, paying no tax in Thailand, a small minority illegally working, claiming they are somehow giving back to Thailand because they buy a few bottles of beers in Pattaya - completely negating the fact they also put pressure on resoruces in Thailand. Tourists who have sat in Thailand for years doing visa runs and contributing nothing to Thai society. 

 

If by some unluckly chance they catch the Covid - they will have no insurance to pay for the hospital, instead it will the Thai state that will pay for it. Where as i am having to fork out ALOT of money to get the over 100,000 requirement, and Covid insurance. 

 

You are saying take some pity on yourselves, who are living in complete bliss, and not following the same rules others are being to undertake. The sheer hypocrisy too is astonishing too - wanting some sympathy, but not willing to sympathise those yearning to get back into Thailand. Oh no, when it comes to foreigners trying to get into Thailand suddenly your sympathies vanish, and it's all 'the infection rate is too high there, it's too risky, keep them out'. 

 

YOU ARE WANTING A FREEBIE ON THE NEW INSURANCE RULES. AND YOU ALSO KNOW YOU WON'T QUALIFY FOR RETURN. 

 

Then on top of that you cry and make up all sorts of excuses as to why you can't return to your poor western societies (homelessness, old parents, wives, repatriation flights, Nana Plaza, Soi Cowboy needs you), when the truth is you could easily get back. You want to keep the good life - and you won't admit to it. That really annoys me. 

 

Give me a break, and get yourselves home. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by AndrewMciver

[AndrewMciver]

4 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

Or they may be understanding that people have these problems during this global crisis and enable some kind of special extension as the world, in particular Asia, figures out a way to open up. I know that for a fee, Vietnam is allowing people who are stuck to pay to extend for months at a time while this travel blockage continues. It benefits Thailand by gaining needed funds for the government and having these stuck people spend their money in the Thai economy.

 

An interesting and slightly related issue. Here is something that may make opening up of travel possible, but it won't start being available until September https://ajn.timesofisrael.com/israel-invents-one-minute-coronavirus-breath-test/?fbclid=IwAR0CcM-Mg3_JEx3D-Rw4xgadRJP23mObXZXEgDcDPl4OprHhN9MYS-PzNcg

 

Heard of the windrus scandal back in the UK last year? West Indians, who travelled from caribbean and lived in the UK for 50-60 years were sent back because they didn't have the relevant rights to stay. 

 

Hopefully Thailand, says enough is enough. Go back. Or if you want to stay under the guise of an amnesty, then get the relevent insurances and mandotory 100,000 limit. 

 

You'd see a fair few fly back then. 

Edited July 9, 2020 by AndrewMciver

[kamma]

13 hours ago, sandyf said:

It all depends on whether a country signed up to or respects the international agreements.

 

The right of return is a principle in international law which guarantees everyone's right of voluntary return to, or re-entry to, their country of origin or of citizenship. A right of return based on nationality, citizenship or ancestry may be enshrined in a country's constitution or law, and some countries deny a right of return in particular cases or in general.

The right is formulated in several modern treaties and conventions, most notably in the 1948 Universal Declaration of Human Rights, the 1966 International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights and the 1948 Fourth Geneva Convention. The Geneva Conventions, it has been argued, have passed into customary international law and that the right of return is binding on non-signatories to the conventions.^[1]

The right of return is often invoked by representatives of refugee groups to assert that they have a right to return to the country from which they were displaced.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right_of_return

LoLs!

 

You are applying the wrong law.

 

The Right of Return is an international treaty between nations concerning the repatriation or return of a citizen to their 'home country' by another country, ie. when one country is repatriating (deporting or booting out) a citizen of another country back to their home country.

 

Any citizen wishing to return to their own country other than repatriation etc. would be governed by the domestic laws of that particular country. It has nothing to do with treaties.

Edited July 9, 2020 by kamma

[yesyoudo]

@AndrewMciver I see you are frustrated. Is that why you have to make yourself feel better by <deleted>ting on others? 

 

As for the insurance: I just had to message my insurance company and they issues me confirmation an hour later. You know how that's possible? Because I pay a lot of money for insurance with 24/7 service that covers me worldwide. Now how can I pay for an insurance that is more expensive than a Thai salary? Oh yeah I forgot it's because I don't work here. I just spend money here.

 

Now go take your judgement about people you don't know and repeat it in front of a mirror, because that's the only object that's able to project as hard as you do.

Edited July 9, 2020 by yesyoudo

[richard_smith237]

38 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

 

Heard of the windrus scandal back in the UK last year? West Indians, who travelled from caribbean and lived in the UK for 50-60 years were sent back because they didn't have the relevant rights to stay. 

 

Hopefully Thailand, says enough is enough. Go back. Or if you want to stay under the guise of an amnesty, then get the relevent insurances and mandotory 100,000 limit. 

 

You'd see a fair few fly back then. 

I think you need to get back to Thailand as quickly as possible.... If ever there was a guy in need of a blowie to chill out - we have our candidate !!!!! 

[vermin on arrival]

39 minutes ago, AndrewMciver said:

You are saying take some pity on yourselves, who are living in complete bliss, and not following the same rules others are being to undertake. The sheer hypocrisy too is astonishing too - wanting some sympathy, but not willing to sympathise those yearning to get back into Thailand. Oh no, when it comes to foreigners trying to get into Thailand suddenly your sympathies vanish, and it's all 'the infection rate is too high there, it's too risky, keep them out'. 

 

Not at all I completely sympathize and think you should be allowed back in. I think the requirements to come back are over the top. I think if you should just have to do a test before and some sort of reasonable quarantine- maybe at your abode(some countries have care workers come to the house on daily basis to check on people), or some reasonably priced quarantine facility. and probably a test at the end.

 

Most of the rest of your rant against people under amnesty was over the top. I can't wait to get back to Taiwan where I have a flat and have work waiting, but can't incorporate from here. The last thing I wanted was to be where I am at. My life was completely blown up when I thought I had things here wrapped up for good. I've lost all my income for the year.

 

I hope that things get better for you. Sounds like you under a lot of pressure.

[phetchy]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

What will happen to foreigners with expired visas after July 31?

The usual - S**t happens.

[mike787]

11 hours ago, CH1961 said:

At Immigration you should wear proper clothing. 

Made my 90 day in Jomtien and other 20 people there, no problem at all. 

its cash that opens the door.

[GoodieAfterDark]

Death by starvation.