Did thailand miss the point??

[JerseytoBKK]

59 minutes ago, DrTuner said:

Pretty much for nothing. The time should have been used to amp up the testing capabilities, building effective tracing network and implementing on-demand policies. Instead, lock it all and lose the economy. It's a monumental failure in government by the usurpers. But that was to bve expected, they are completely usless in anything else except selling the country to China and bolstering their own pockets.

"They are completely usless in anything else except selling the country to China and bolstering their own pockets" - are you talking about Thailand or one of a dozen other countries? A strong case can be made that many Fortune 500 CEO's, university presidents, and members of Congress have been selling the US to China to bolster their own pockets.

[DrTuner]

1 hour ago, JerseytoBKK said:

"They are completely usless in anything else except selling the country to China and bolstering their own pockets" - are you talking about Thailand or one of a dozen other countries? A strong case can be made that many Fortune 500 CEO's, university presidents, and members of Congress have been selling the US to China to bolster their own pockets.

Well I was talking about Thailand, but you are right. Although I like to put the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the consumers. Do-Not-By-CCP-<deleted>. Not made in China is what you want.

[rcummings]

On 8/19/2020 at 3:35 PM, JerseytoBKK said:

Excellent thesis that will fall on deaf ears, but it was a valiant try Comrade. 

 

Karl Marx: "The first requiste for the happiness of the people is the abolition of religion"

 

Countries around the people have stopped their citizens from going to churches, temples, synagogues and mosques!

 

People need to make sure their children can speak Mandarin and read and write in Simplified Chinese and mostly importantly, to never question authority unless they have an overwhelming desire to become organ donors.

Open those churches, temples mosques, synagogues and whatever the structures are called the serve the spiritual needs of Satanists.. We definitely need more superspreader events.  Gotta keep that positivity rate up. Stay positive! Negativity is so socialistic.

[JerseytoBKK]

18 hours ago, rcummings said:

Open those churches, temples mosques, synagogues and whatever the structures are called the serve the spiritual needs of Satanists.. We definitely need more superspreader events.  Gotta keep that positivity rate up. Stay positive! Negativity is so socialistic.

Those hundreds of worshipers at their superspreader events are truly evil. Why can't they be civilized like the tens of thousands of burning and looting peaceful protesters?

[rcummings]

11 minutes ago, JerseytoBKK said:

Those hundreds of worshipers at their superspreader events are truly evil. Why can't they be civilized like the tens of thousands of burning and looting peaceful protesters?

Nice try at deflection.

The fact of the matter is that religious people aren't being targeted because of their religion. They're targeted only for behaviors that endangers the well being not only of themselves but of others who aren't their co-religionists. 

 

Edited August 21, 2020 by rcummings

[tartempion]

On 8/15/2020 at 11:30 AM, tomazbodner said:

What would be the point, after 6 months of destroying the economy, to now open the borders, let the virus in, to infect entire population? So the past 6 months were all for nothing then?

Thailand isn't Europe. If you want to get infected, you're free to get on the plane and fly back there.

Unless you're over 65 your risk of dying from SARS-CoV-2 is 0.0005, herd immunity is not for Thailand.

As of januari 2021 it might be safer to live in a Corona ridden country....

[tomazbodner]

9 minutes ago, tartempion said:

Unless you're over 65 your risk of dying from SARS-CoV-2 is 0.0005, herd immunity is not for Thailand.

As of januari 2021 it might be safer to live in a Corona ridden country....

True, that. But... Corona doesn't only kill people but in some cases gives very unpleasant side-effects, like lung, liver, kidney, heart, nervous system damage, and from latest reports diabetes type 1. And that, in mild cases, spreads across all age groups. In more severe cases it usually gives serious to severe blood clots that can lead to organ failure.

 

It's not just about killing or not killing.

 

Imagine you're a survivor of a plane crash. You survived. I mean you're totally paralyzed with only able to move your eyes, but you're alive. I don't think you'd consider that "good luck" to survive though...

Edited August 22, 2020 by tomazbodner
rewritten parts that could be misinterpreted

[tartempion]

@tomazbodner: unfortunately no numbers are available concerning sick covid-19 people sustaining lasting damage.

There are a lot more dangerous sicknesses out there for which the world does not get locked-down.

I very much doubt the measures are worth the price we pay.

It is true that R0 is estimated at 3.28, which is frightening exponential and letting the virus free course will overload hospitals and IC's, protecting the vulnerable is NOT what has happened.

In Thailand the vulnerable doe not live in elderly communities, they are easier to protect.

This government does not have the brains to think out of the box, if they would have a brain at all, they are military you know?

[wazzupnow]

On 8/15/2020 at 9:40 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

Thailand is far from bankrupt and never will be as long as people eat rice in Asia.

 

Countries that help the unemployed are socialist ( small s ). Thailand is not a socialist country. People work or die. That's why it has lots of solo mothers working in the nightlife industry.

people are no longer buying thai rice it is to expensive, the biggest company selling it went bankrupt, because the baht is to high

[DrTuner]

6 hours ago, tartempion said:

It is true that R0 is estimated at 3.28, which is frightening exponential and letting the virus free course will overload hospitals and IC's, protecting the vulnerable is NOT what has happened.

That's R zero, meaning completely naive population with no immunity at all. R is the real time number and keeping it under 1 means the outbreak is growing smaller. 

 

However .. even with R around 3, it seems the virus already took the most vulnerable. Infection count is going up (as is number of tests) globally, yet we're not seeing what happened in Italy anymore. Italy has the oldest people in Europe. The low hanging fruit got hit already. 

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/18/2020 at 4:28 PM, Rancid said:

New Zealand had a severe lockdown, then no cases for 100 days. Now its back. So you either believe it snuck in on the mail or that it just never went away, but was just circulating with no symptoms as it often does.

 

Viruses burn out when there are no more hosts, lock down as many governments admitted, just slows the spread, it doesn't stop it. Lock down has just made the whole thing run longer. Economies have been destroyed and peoples livelihoods lost...for nothing.

 

I do note though that the media, politicians, and their public sector tame doctors spreading the doom, are all still on full salary and benefits.

The virus has been identified as being a new one from overseas, not one already here.

Given the border has been a disaster, it's not at all surprising it arrived here.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/22/2020 at 9:59 PM, wazzupnow said:

people are no longer buying thai rice it is to expensive, the biggest company selling it went bankrupt, because the baht is to high

I'm still buying it.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/20/2020 at 10:08 PM, DrTuner said:

Well I was talking about Thailand, but you are right. Although I like to put the responsibility squarely on the shoulders of the consumers. Do-Not-By-CCP-<deleted>. Not made in China is what you want.

That'd be great if possible. In NZ almost everything is made in China. Anything not, like Makita tools are so expensive that not an option for home handyman.

Our industry got destroyed long ago and we don't make much that's not biological anymore.

[owl sees all]

On 8/15/2020 at 8:26 AM, wazzupnow said:

virus is real for sure, but very selective so it must be:The new world order killing off the weak 

The virus (C-19) is a particularly nasty influenza.

 

5G is on a 60Ghz frequency that agitates the red blood cells and makes oxygen transportation difficult. Those that are vulnerable to low oxygen are also dying.

 

Perhaps it's not a coincidence that the first city in China to roll out 5G was Wuhan.

 

Thailand has done well to repel the C-19, because of the weather, the lack of a reoccurring flu and the absence of 5G.

[polpott]

51 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The virus (C-19) is a particularly nasty influenza.

 

5G is on a 60Ghz frequency that agitates the red blood cells and makes oxygen transportation difficult. Those that are vulnerable to low oxygen are also dying.

 

Perhaps it's not a coincidence that the first city in China to roll out 5G was Wuhan.

 

Thailand has done well to repel the C-19, because of the weather, the lack of a reoccurring flu and the absence of 5G.

No 5G in Brazil and they're not doing too well.

5G conspiracy theory has been well and truly scotched. Not helpful to continue to perpetrate it.

[owl sees all]

21 minutes ago, polpott said:

No 5G in Brazil and they're not doing too well.

5G conspiracy theory has been well and truly scotched. Not helpful to continue to perpetrate it.

I should draw your attention to the first line of my post; The virus (C-19) is a particularly nasty influenza.

 

The '5G theory' has only just started. The US and the Israelis were experimenting with it as a weapon of war.

Edited August 25, 2020 by owl sees all

[polpott]

Just now, owl sees all said:

I should draw your attention to the first line of my post; The virus (C-19) is a particularly nasty influenza.

 

The 5G theory has only just started. The US and the Israelis were experimenting with it as a weapon of war.

Idiots were setting fire to 5G masts from the early days of Covid 19. Its not new. Weapon of war? As a former BT employee who was involved in setting up networks and latterly working for a major international company and performing RFI testing, I can assure you that, at the signal strengths used, its incapable of penetrating the skin, even if you were strapped to a 5G mast.

 

Please refrain from perpetrating a long debunked conspiracy theory.

[owl sees all]

2 minutes ago, polpott said:

Idiots were setting fire to 5G masts from the early days of Covid 19. Its not new. Weapon of war? As a former BT employee who was involved in setting up networks and latterly working for a major international company and performing RFI testing, I can assure you that, at the signal strengths used, its incapable of penetrating the skin, even if you were strapped to a 5G mast.

 

Please refrain from perpetrating a long debunked conspiracy theory.

The problems associated with 5G have not been debuncked at all. 

 

When you speak of 'penetrating the skin' are you talking about it in terms of a knife cutting the skin, or or you saying that the 60gHz band cannot influence the cells of the body.

 

I suggest you research further.

[polpott]

9 minutes ago, owl sees all said:

The problems associated with 5G have not been debuncked at all. 

 

When you speak of 'penetrating the skin' are you talking about it in terms of a knife cutting the skin, or or you saying that the 60gHz band cannot influence the cells of the body.

 

I suggest you research further.

I'm saying that at the signal strengths used it cannot penetrate the skin therefore cannot influence the cells of the body.

I suggest that you do some research and avoid flat earth conspiracy sites.

[owl sees all]

44 minutes ago, polpott said:

I'm saying that at the signal strengths used it cannot penetrate the skin therefore cannot influence the cells of the body.

I suggest that you do some research and avoid flat earth conspiracy sites.

Ok! So you think the earth is round then? No point in in trying to have sensible converse with you. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by owl sees all

[DrTuner]

7 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That'd be great if possible. In NZ almost everything is made in China. Anything not, like Makita tools are so expensive that not an option for home handyman.

Our industry got destroyed long ago and we don't make much that's not biological anymore.

That is indeed the problem. But how long would it take to reboot the industries? I'd say 2 years would be enough. The know-how is still there, in the 90's China wasn't the "world factory" and goods were of better quality. That was just 25 years ago, not that long ago. Add robots and the 4th industrial revolution will take care of the commie problem.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/25/2020 at 1:24 PM, polpott said:

No 5G in Brazil and they're not doing too well.

5G conspiracy theory has been well and truly scotched. Not helpful to continue to perpetrate it.

That's meaningless. Corona is not 5G. 5G is not required to infect with corona, however, it could be that 5G makes corona infection more severe and more likely to be fatal. I'm not saying it does, but it might.

[thaibeachlovers]

21 hours ago, DrTuner said:

That is indeed the problem. But how long would it take to reboot the industries? I'd say 2 years would be enough. The know-how is still there, in the 90's China wasn't the "world factory" and goods were of better quality. That was just 25 years ago, not that long ago. Add robots and the 4th industrial revolution will take care of the commie problem.

???????????????????

Industry left NZ decades ago. Kids don't want to be engineers ( or do any job that get's their hands dirty, IMO ) any more, so would have to import skilled engineers and ALL the machinery. NZ has only 5 million consumers so a tiny market. Cheaper to import from elsewhere than China.

[thaibeachlovers]

On 8/25/2020 at 1:38 PM, polpott said:

Idiots were setting fire to 5G masts from the early days of Covid 19. Its not new. Weapon of war? As a former BT employee who was involved in setting up networks and latterly working for a major international company and performing RFI testing, I can assure you that, at the signal strengths used, its incapable of penetrating the skin, even if you were strapped to a 5G mast.

 

Please refrain from perpetrating a long debunked conspiracy theory.

Who is to say the signal strength can't be increased?

I don't care either way, as I won't be around too much longer ( thank the deity ). Those left behind are welcome to the mess that is the world today.

[polpott]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

That's meaningless. Corona is not 5G. 5G is not required to infect with corona, however, it could be that 5G makes corona infection more severe and more likely to be fatal. I'm not saying it does, but it might.

116,000 dead in Brazil. Seems Covid is doing ok without 5G.

[DrTuner]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Industry left NZ decades ago. Kids don't want to be engineers ( or do any job that get's their hands dirty, IMO ) any more, so would have to import skilled engineers and ALL the machinery. NZ has only 5 million consumers so a tiny market. Cheaper to import from elsewhere than China.

Better to import the engineers then? I thought that's what they did a decade or so ago. Or was it only accountants and lawyers?

 

In any case, whatever needs to be done to get rid of CCP in the supply chains is worth it.