Democrats oppose Trump Wisconsin visit, president says 'strength' only answer

[stevenl]

1 hour ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

That's exactly what the President is doing...let the Democrats snatch defeat from the jaws of victory once again.

Many wish your words were true, Trump's words and tweets proof otherwise.

[Eric Loh]

33 minutes ago, jinners said:

A problem wherever the Democrats are in charge

See post #29. 

[Donga]

1 hour ago, Eric Loh said:

The people have spoken in latest poll. Trump took a gamble on portraying strength against protesters failed miserably. Majority have dim view of his crackdown on protests against racial inequality. Another failed attempt following his rather non inspiring and low energy RNC speech.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-07-31/trumps-law-and-order-approach-falls-flat-poll

I'd be very careful with polling, which was wrong in the 2016 Presidential election, Brexit and Australian federal election. On each occasion the centre/left media took their own bias too seriously. Buddha knows how the polls were constructed, but they were wrong. In any case, here's coverage of another poll just released, which shows Trump rapidly gaining on Biden due to the Law and Order issue.. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/donald-trump-breaks-through-with-message-on-crime/news-story/254fdfda6887cc0acf171d78ab41099e

The BLM protesters could well help Trump win again, just like the silly Greens protests lost Labor the coal miners vote. How does a Labor party lose the coal miners? Hubris and biased, smug, city based media can disengage workers and regional voters. Labor now has four seats outside of the capital cities.

I was expecting Biden to win easily, but now not sure. The Democratic convention was a disaster for Biden, regardless of the centre/left media coverage, and I worry he's just not up to it. They should have nominated Kamala Harris and be done with the old guy. I would not be surprised if Trump wins again, and might come with some black voters switching, scared of police defunding. They know where the overwhelming number of gunshots and crime comes from.

The longer BLM rioters are left unchecked, the more likely Trump will be re-elected. Let's see if the Democratic governors can work this out. Or whether the CNN, Washington Post, New York Times etc continues to blindside them into thinking they have this in the bag.

Edited August 31, 2020 by Donga

[riclag]

As a American I'm tired of the protests that have erupted into violence and riots!

 

I'm tired of almost 3 months of many on the left protesting racism by the police when these 3 individuals(Minneapolis,Atlanta and Wisconsin) didn't  obey and adhere to  law enforcement to begin with!

 

I'm tired of these same people demanding respect while claiming a right to other peoples property !

 

"The governor added: “It is our job as elected officials to lead by example and to be a calming presence for the people we know are hurting, mourning, and trying to cope with trauma. Now is not the time for divisiveness.”

https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/trump-still-plans-to-visit-kenosha-despite-governors-plea/

 

Governor you and others were called out for your attempt to fan the flames !

Authorities: 

“Previous remarks and statements made by each of you are premature, judgmental, inflammatory and only add to the anger and divisiveness of an already dangerous situation,” they wrote.

https://www.nbc15.com/2020/08/27/sheriff-police-groups-urge-evers-barnes-to-stop-commenting-on-kenosha-shooting/

 

There are many people who don't like whats going on ,America gets it! There are many swing voters  in that swing state that will help decide the election!

 

“There’s no doubt it’s playing into Trump’s hands,” Paul Soglin, who served as mayor of Madison, Wis., on and off for over 20 years, told Politico of the recent unrest. “There’s a significant number of undecided voters who are not ideological, and they can move very easily from Republican to the Democratic column and back again.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/wisconsin-democrats-say-kenosha-riots-will-help-trump-top-biden/

Edited August 31, 2020 by riclag

[Jingthing]

7 hours ago, stevenl said:

Before anything else Trump needs to recognise there is a problem. Suppression is not the answer.

The only problem he cares about is desperately trying to stay in power. There is zero percent chance that he will ever be any kind of unifying president. 

[Jingthing]

5 hours ago, Emdog said:

"...the Republican president said "strength" was the only way to deal with unrest."

Such a limited mind he has. No brains, so brawn is "the only way".

Maybe he could learn from history... if he could learn. There's the rub.

He can't get better. He always gets worse.

[Tug]

6 hours ago, Tippaporn said:

Mama Noodle just pointed it out in black and white for all to see.  That line is pure, unadulterated propaganda purposely written to promote a reality that doesn't exist and fool people into thinking it's true.  And as W.C. Fields famously and astutely quipped, "There's a sucker born every minute."  Crooked politicians and other corrupt people understand W.C. Fields full well and know they can count on the unthinking and uncritical portion of the population to be easily fooled.

 

We all remember the professor at MIT and an architect of Obamacare, Jonathan Gruber's famous admission, "In terms of risk rated subsidies, if you had a law which said that healthy people are going to pay in, you made explicit healthy people pay in and sick people get money, it would not have passed. Lack of transparency is a huge political advantage. And basically, call it the stupidity of the American voter or whatever, but basically that was really really critical to get for the thing to pass."

 

You can thrust this type of evidence right in people's faces time and time again and still they refuse to recognize that they're simply fools being played.

Love darksidedogs post unfortunately trump is what he is he will do whatever benefits him any thing that benefits the country is accidental.now this post I’m truly amazed that you as a non American are such a voracious critic of our system and such a strong supporter of the man who is destroying our institutions and safety nets as he stokes racial divisions curious that.the mayor is correct imo trump isent going there to lead he’s going there as a campaign stop and is likely to creat more anger and un rest plus they have their hands full without having to devote time energy and resources babysitting trump

[chilli42]

10 hours ago, darksidedog said:

To my mind, good arguments can be generated by both sides as to whether such a visit should or should not take place.

Emotions are running very high right now, so I would like to think that if Trump does visit, it is after discussion and agreement with the local authorities, along with a solid argument that it will be beneficial to the situation rather than detrimental.

The last thing needed is for any more bloodshed and violence from any side.

Putting aside for a moment that Trump is what he is.  It’s not just appropriate it’s mandatory that the president get an on the ground read on the situation.  The Dems are just worried that something good come out of this for the GOP as this lawlessness is a weak point which many blame them for.

[DaveCW]

What does this say about a country, indeed what does it say about its people when the democratically elected head of their "free world" country cannot visit a certain parts of the country as it would cause grief to certain elements - Just like the woke folk in the UK, democracy is ending if there is not strong leadership and stupidity, as well as mis-information is challenged on all levels instead of giving them more ground. What right does the UK or USA have in advising countries about good governance etc etc when their own folk don't stand for the values of democracy - Indeed if the suggestions of vote rigging (in both countries) are true, then we are no better than banana republics ourselves. 

[Tug]

9 minutes ago, DaveCW said:

What does this say about a country, indeed what does it say about its people when the democratically elected head of their "free world" country cannot visit a certain parts of the country as it would cause grief to certain elements - Just like the woke folk in the UK, democracy is ending if there is not strong leadership and stupidity, as well as mis-information is challenged on all levels instead of giving them more ground. What right does the UK or USA have in advising countries about good governance etc etc when their own folk don't stand for the values of democracy - Indeed if the suggestions of vote rigging (in both countries) are true, then we are no better than banana republics ourselves. 

It says the population doesent trust and or respect the guy put in power by the electoral college with outside help who exacerbates racial tensions for political gain it says America is trying in her imperfect way to rectify the problem created by her history and by this potus who fans the division for political gain there would be a very different reaction if trump was a unifier as far as vote rigging that is another reason folks don’t trust trump it’s obvious that’s exactly what he’s trying to do by suppressing and  solicitation of foreign interference he is what he is

[Sujo]

6 hours ago, JensenZ said:

What a ridiculous comment. I suppose you think the Democrat's approach to widespread rioting, arson, looting, beatings and killings is the answer - burying your heads in the sand and pretending it is not happening, or worse, endorsing it in the hope that it will help you win the election.

 

I've never heard of any soft approach working with thugs. Most civilized countries put these people where they ought to be - in prison. They aren't protestors. Most intelligent protesters would have bowed out long ago. Would you want to protest amongst a group of thugs destroying public property, beating people and looting shops? The Democrats have called a party for all the nation's criminals - enticing them to go out and have fun.

Name those endorsing the riots.

[Morch]

5 hours ago, Isaan sailor said:

He probably shouldn’t bother.  Let the Democratically controlled cities riot and burn.  It’s a local issue, and maybe they’ll stop defunding the police.

 

"Let the Democratically controlled cities..."

 

I was under the impression mayors all over the USA were elected democratically. Was this recently changed?

[Scott]

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[DaveCW]

5 hours ago, Tug said:

It says the population doesent trust and or respect the guy put in power by the electoral college with outside help who exacerbates racial tensions for political gain it says America is trying in her imperfect way to rectify the problem created by her history and by this potus who fans the division for political gain there would be a very different reaction if trump was a unifier as far as vote rigging that is another reason folks don’t trust trump it’s obvious that’s exactly what he’s trying to do by suppressing and  solicitation of foreign interference he is what he is

Will be interesting to see what the majority say in the next election. That's the thing about democracy, you get the chance to vote for your preferred individual/party again - not sulk like a child for a few years. As for outside help, I thought that had been disproved and the vote rigging proved which is why the US President is looking to do something about it. Guess all this it depends on which news source one considers as accurate and as most have now been shown to lie its difficult to pick out the bias. For example, the BBC has now been totally disregarded by most folk who now seek alternatives and or varied news sources - just saying

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, riclag said:

As a American I'm tired of the protests that have erupted into violence and riots!

 

I'm tired of almost 3 months of many on the left protesting racism by the police when these 3 individuals(Minneapolis,Atlanta and Wisconsin) didn't  obey and adhere to  law enforcement to begin with!

 

I'm tired of these same people demanding respect while claiming a right to other peoples property !

 

"The governor added: “It is our job as elected officials to lead by example and to be a calming presence for the people we know are hurting, mourning, and trying to cope with trauma. Now is not the time for divisiveness.”

https://nypost.com/2020/08/31/trump-still-plans-to-visit-kenosha-despite-governors-plea/

 

Governor you and others were called out for your attempt to fan the flames !

Authorities: 

“Previous remarks and statements made by each of you are premature, judgmental, inflammatory and only add to the anger and divisiveness of an already dangerous situation,” they wrote.

https://www.nbc15.com/2020/08/27/sheriff-police-groups-urge-evers-barnes-to-stop-commenting-on-kenosha-shooting/

 

There are many people who don't like whats going on ,America gets it! There are many swing voters  in that swing state that will help decide the election!

 

“There’s no doubt it’s playing into Trump’s hands,” Paul Soglin, who served as mayor of Madison, Wis., on and off for over 20 years, told Politico of the recent unrest. “There’s a significant number of undecided voters who are not ideological, and they can move very easily from Republican to the Democratic column and back again.

https://nypost.com/2020/08/27/wisconsin-democrats-say-kenosha-riots-will-help-trump-top-biden/

All the stuff you are tired of is generalized nonsense.

 

Example, who demands respect while claiming a right to other people’s property? 

 

As for people being gunned down for allegedly not obeying the law: Some States do still have a death penalty on their statute books but ‘the law’ requires that the enactment of execution under ‘the law’ follows a trial before a jury.

 

That somebody broke the law is not a justification for police gunning them down unless you are arguing for extra-judicial killings.

[Purdey]

I haven't heard why a 17 year old kid, too young to buy a beer, too young to vote and too young to buy a gun, was wandering around with no parental supervision. Did his mommy and daddy even know he had the gun?

Seems an issue.

[shdmn]

The guy who hid in a bunker because there were protests outside the WH talking about strength.  That's funny.????.

 

Then he went across the street surrounded by the military firing tear gas just so he can have a photo op holding a bible in front of a church he never goes to. 

Edited August 31, 2020 by shdmn

[Pattaya Spotter]

11 hours ago, Donga said:

I'd be very careful with polling, which was wrong in the 2016 Presidential election, Brexit and Australian federal election. On each occasion the centre/left media took their own bias too seriously. Buddha knows how the polls were constructed, but they were wrong. In any case, here's coverage of another poll just released, which shows Trump rapidly gaining on Biden due to the Law and Order issue.. https://www.theaustralian.com.au/world/donald-trump-breaks-through-with-message-on-crime/news-story/254fdfda6887cc0acf171d78ab41099e

The BLM protesters could well help Trump win again, just like the silly Greens protests lost Labor the coal miners vote. How does a Labor party lose the coal miners? Hubris and biased, smug, city based media can disengage workers and regional voters. Labor now has four seats outside of the capital cities.

I was expecting Biden to win easily, but now not sure. The Democratic convention was a disaster for Biden, regardless of the centre/left media coverage, and I worry he's just not up to it. They should have nominated Kamala Harris and be done with the old guy. I would not be surprised if Trump wins again, and might come with some black voters switching, scared of police defunding. They know where the overwhelming number of gunshots and crime comes from.

The longer BLM rioters are left unchecked, the more likely Trump will be re-elected. Let's see if the Democratic governors can work this out. Or whether the CNN, Washington Post, New York Times etc continues to blindside them into thinking they have this in the bag.

A very prescient post...maybe because you are Australian (I'm guessing) and outside the biased US based media bubble (surveys have shown 80+ percent of those in the media are Democrats and this will affect their reporting no matter what they claim) so are able to have a more clear-eyed take on the campaign. It is also just a fact that the big media sources are concentrated in a few left Democrat coastal cities and so are susceptible to thinking what they see around them every day is America writ large. As for the polls, as you say, they are only as good as the assumptions that go into constructing them...particularly their "likely voter" profile. If they get this wrong, the poll will not be accurate. I agree with you that the election is Trump's to lose and at this point he's coming on strong and Biden is fading fast and you can see this in all the nervous liberal commentary since the end of the conventions. The Democrat Party decision to hitch their strategy to an anti-police and pro-crime and disorder movement is pure insanity.

[Pattaya Spotter]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The only problem he cares about is desperately trying to stay in power. There is zero percent chance that he will ever be any kind of unifying president. 

What is there to "unify" over...the Democrat Party has it's far left agenda of defunding the police, open borders, and socialized medicine and the Republicans don't. I doubt either side wants any unity with the other...I certainly don't. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

14 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

The people have spoken in latest poll. Trump took a gamble on portraying strength against protesters failed miserably. Majority have dim view of his crackdown on protests against racial inequality. Another failed attempt following his rather non inspiring and low energy RNC speech.

https://www.usnews.com/news/politics/articles/2020-07-31/trumps-law-and-order-approach-falls-flat-poll

Trump is crusin' to victory...autopilot engaged.

 

Joe Biden Had Better Watch It https://nyti.ms/31FL698

Edited September 1, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[Brunolem]

2 hours ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Trump is crusin' to victory...autopilot engaged.

 

Joe Biden Had Better Watch It 

Joe Biden can't watch anything...his basement doesn't have windows...he is flying blind...

Edited September 1, 2020 by Brunolem

[Jingthing]

1 hour ago, Brunolem said:

Joe Biden can't watch anything...his basement doesn't have windows...he is flying blind...

No.

He's offering himself as a real president to replace the American carnage and chaos under the worst president in history. 

 

 

Edited September 1, 2020 by Jingthing

[TopDeadSenter]

2 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No.

He's offering himself as a real president to replace the American carnage and chaos under the worst president in history. 

Trump is the target of the carnage and chaos. Since when did blaming the victim become PC?

[Morch]

6 minutes ago, TopDeadSenter said:

Trump is the target of the carnage and chaos. Since when did blaming the victim become PC?

 

Trump is only, maybe, a victim of his own ego.

[Pattaya Spotter]

32 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

No.

He's offering himself as a real president to replace the American carnage and chaos under the worst president in history. 

 

 

Did he speak in favor of truth or facts?

Edited September 1, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[jcsmith]

And meanwhile president Looney Tunes is referencing QAnon conspiracy theories on Fox...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729

[Eric Loh]

6 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Did he speak in favor of facts or truth?

Very much yes and very presidential unlike the other who speak like a Don. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 minute ago, jcsmith said:

And meanwhile president Looney Tunes is referencing QAnon conspiracy theories on Fox...

 

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/08/31/trump-biden-conspiracy-theory-406729

No reference to Q-anon in the story...seems you have an over active imagination.

[Morch]

7 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

No reference to Q-anon in the story...seems you have an over active imagination.

 

Oh, so it's a new brand of conspiracy theory, then? Deflect away.

 

[Rimmer]

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