Is this considered as a work by immigration

[Aforek]

Hello, I live in a very small hamlet , and behind my house ,  I would like to start a small garden, with chili, and other condiments to add to the food
it means to maintain, weed, plant, water ...  a Thai doctor advised me to do it, regular exercise in addition to my other physical exercises
but is it considered as a work , I have a non O retired visa? ( it will be just for my GF and I )

thank you 

[Crossy]

Assuming it's on your property and for your own (or family) consumption, should be no issue whatever.

 

Worst-case scenario - Selling or even giving produce to non-family members could get you in trouble if someone wants to make problems for you.

 

[Puchaiyank]

Sorry, you feel so intimidated...just don't grow weed...????

[Matzzon]

No it´s no problem. I am just sad to read that someone feel that insecure in a country they chose to live in. Must be terrible.

[Aforek]

2 hours ago, Crossy said:

Assuming it's on your property and for your own (or family) consumption, should be no issue whatever.

 

Worst-case scenario - Selling or even giving produce to non-family members could get you in trouble if someone wants to make problems for you.

 

best answer, thanks ; other answers are just a joke ????

[Matzzon]

1 hour ago, Aforek said:

best answer, thanks ; other answers are just a joke ????

Sure, Crossy gave the best answer. However, how can you see other answers as joke? Anyway, glad to hear that you are ok with being so scared of planting pepper and lime for cooking that you have to pose a question on a forum to know how to deal with it. Good Luck with your beautiful garden!

[douglasspade]

With my first confirmation of address on my Non-O Marry Visa from Immigration the officers saw we had chickens and fish as well as small tractor in my back yard. After looking at my small farm of corn, pumpkin and carrots growing (1.2 Rai) they explained that as long as I am not involved with business, there will not be problems as I am supporting my wife.

Hence I 'help' on farm and my wife handles monies to her farm bank account.

 

 

 

 

[KeeTua]

My O-A visa for retirement states "Employment Prohibited" definition of employment: Employment is the fact of having a paid job.
 
I think people often get 'work' and 'employment' mixed up on these forums. Working in your own backyard for free is not employment. Now if your wife buys you some cold beer for your labors you could get into trouble.

[Peter Denis]

I should have kept the post, but there was a guy who once posted a Hymn of Praise to this 'Employment Prohibited' note on his Retirement Visa.

When he went to the supermarket with his Thai wife, she had to load all the stuff they bought in the trunk of the car and she always had to drive, because as he clearly explained to her 'he was not allowed to do any work' on his retirement Visa.

[ChipButty]

3 hours ago, Aforek said:

best answer, thanks ; other answers are just a joke ????

What did you expect on TVF?

[owl sees all]

A couple of years ago a TV member was prosecuted for putting a bottle of sauce on a restaurant table (TVF archives) in Pattaya.

 

If you fish in your own pond and catch fish, it is against the rules to take them away, but OK if you put them back. Because one is regarded as sport and t'other business.

 

If they want to get you; they will. Just don't go upsetting any 'knowledgeable' Thais, especially if they are your neighbors. Remember; jealously rules! Keep your head down and enjoy Thailand.

[ChipButty]

18 minutes ago, KeeTua said:

My O-A visa for retirement states "Employment Prohibited" definition of employment: Employment is the fact of having a paid job.
 
I think people often get 'work' and 'employment' mixed up on these forums. Working in your own backyard for free is not employment. Now if your wife buys you some cold beer for your labors you could get into trouble.

She should get done for buying the beers

[ChipButty]

I also think it depends where you live, in Phuket they are right on it ive heard plenty of stories over the years, like the guy building his own boat parked on his land, No he needed a WP 

Edited September 9, 2020 by ChipButty

[johng]

17 minutes ago, KeeTua said:

I think people often get 'work' and 'employment' mixed up on these forums. Working in your own backyard for free is not employment.

It doesn't matter if you do it for free..... you need a permit to do volunteer work.

 

Years ago in Pattaya the immigration gestapo raided my next door neighbours laundry business,

husband and wife small business with living quarters upstairs   he didn't do any work there   but was standing  around when they came in    he picked up a basket of washing from a chair so he could sit down   and the police tried to arrest him for "working"   that's how silly it can get if they want to make problems for you.

[richard_smith237]

One of the best barstool topics on ThaiVisa.com

 

‘Is this considered work ?’ - I can’t believe someone has not quoted the old favourite “Painting your own house is considered work and can land you in trouble because you are taking a job away from a Thai”.... this golden droplet of barstool fookwittery has been quoted numerous times.... 

 

Realistically: you’re growing stuff in your own garden....  it has nothing to do with employment. Carry on enjoy, feel free to paint your house while waiting for your veggies and chillies to grow !!!!

 

 

 

[Matzzon]

2 hours ago, douglasspade said:

With my first confirmation of address on my Non-O Marry Visa from Immigration the officers saw we had chickens and fish as well as small tractor in my back yard. After looking at my small farm of corn, pumpkin and carrots growing (1.2 Rai) they explained that as long as I am not involved with business, there will not be problems as I am supporting my wife.

Hence I 'help' on farm and my wife handles monies to her farm bank account.

 

 

 

 

Exactly right! It´s because of expat mass hysteria and made up comments that people refuse to understand that fact.

[NCC1701A]

i still cut the plants in front of my house as quickly as possible to avoid detection. 

[AlfHuy]

16 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

i still cut the plants in front of my house as quickly as possible to avoid detection. 

let them grow and nobody sees you.

[AlfHuy]

if you are busy with your wife/GF, need a work permit as well?

They could argue, you take work away from Thai men.

[richard_smith237]

9 minutes ago, Matzzon said:

Exactly right! It´s because of expat mass hysteria and made up comments that people refuse to understand that fact.

 

Agreed.....  

 

I also suspect that in the past there have been some unscrupulous Police and Immigration officers who have chanced their luck and targeted foreigners with some ridiculous claims of labor in the hope that said foreigner poops their pants and folds and pays them money.... Said foreigner then goes on ThaiVisa.com to claim he’s been fined for changing a lightbulb or walking ‘behind the bar’ in their restaurant and the dumb myth is further perpetuated. 

 

These same fragile folk are the same ones who say ‘don’t help in an accident you will be blamed’ and or ‘police target foreigners in cars / on motorbikes’ etc... 

 

The same happens with the ‘music scam’ against Thai Businesses in Chiang Mai and Pattaya from time to time.

 

 

[2 is 1]

Hmm... hole village come take fruits and vegetables from our farm what i have taking care of! Maybe im working, sadly nobody never pay me nothing! Have to go meet village yaba selling cop to make appeal!

And i dont have anymore weed trees there coz somebody steal them!!!!!

Edited September 9, 2020 by 2 is 1

[transam]

5 hours ago, Matzzon said:

No it´s no problem. I am just sad to read that someone feel that insecure in a country they chose to live in. Must be terrible.

You don't live here then.....????

[Neeranam]

24 minutes ago, NCC1701A said:

i still cut the plants in front of my house as quickly as possible to avoid detection. 

I have a huge privacy hedge around my house to avoid detection. 

[Neeranam]

Grow a pair OP. Some newcomers I've met are terrified of the Thai police, no idea why. 

Did You ask your wife this question? 

I'd love to hear what she said. 

[NCC1701A]

14 minutes ago, AlfHuy said:

let them grow and nobody sees you.

yes but they start to grow out into the road and the power lines. 

[NCC1701A]

3 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

ome newcomers I've met are terrified of the Thai police, no idea why. 

i don't know, being told by the Hua Hin police I would not survive a night in jail did it for me.

[Don Mega]

2 hours ago, KeeTua said:

My O-A visa for retirement states "Employment Prohibited" definition of employment: Employment is the fact of having a paid job.
 
 

Employement prohibited also includes unpaid "voluntary" work.

[transam]

OP, you are right to ask, that is what this forum is for, dismiss the p_ss takers....????

I have painted my house, even the outside walls, sorted the electrics out cos the local electric installers near got me killed.

Also plumbing, cut the grass, you name it, it's our house and not a business...

[Neeranam]

I'm thinking of washing my car, could I be arrested, as there is a Car wash up the road? 

[tifino]

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

I have a huge privacy hedge around my house to avoid detection. 

imagine getting done, for working on your own erection!