UK PM Johnson appeals to party for support over controversial bill

[Loiner]

Boris could be Tom Pepper, but so long as it gets us further away from the EU trap I wouldn’t care.  

Whatever he does, if the EU hates it and the Remainers hate it, then it must be good for the UK. 

[nauseus]

3 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

Yes thats it Nauseus mate. Its not really falling in value is it?

What do these money market speculators know? So called experts. 

Where were they at Agincourt? Or Dunkirk? Or Rorke's Drift?

Yes thats right mate. Brexiteers know the truth. These so called experts dont know anything. Which one of them saw corona coming?

TVF Brexiteers know the truth.

Yes - it fell - how much?

 

What is your definition of freefall? 

 

This should be good.

[candide]

3 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 It wasn't your so called Remainer Parliament which signed the withdrawal agreement on the 24th January 2020; it was Johnson with his 50 seat majority!

 

It wasn't your so called Remainer Parliament which went into the last GE saying they had an oven ready deal with the EU; it was Johnson.

 

Johnson and his puppet master lied to us in 2016; and they're still at it.

Blaming others is the essence of Brexiting. I bet that, after Jan. 1st, they will still put the blame on remainers, the EU, etc...

[melvinmelvin]

6 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

And you will keep going round that block. Because of Brexit.

I am OK. I dont have a UK state pension. My money comes from elsewhere. So the fall in the pound has been manageable for me.

However there are a lot of guys here living only on their state pension and the actions of you guys voting for Brexit has had a massive impact on them.

You did that. You voted for that.

The hardships those guys face is because of you and the rest of your Brexiteer chums. 

Come January though. It will be you who is hit hard in the pocket. Lets see how well that sits with you. 

I will sit here in the shade. Take a swig of beer and say "Well you get what you vote for".

 

jeez, one shall hear a lot before the ears fall off,

 

are you out of wits and knickers today?

seriously suggesting that people who believe that Brexit is the way to go should none the less

vote remain in order to secure more happiness for retirees on state pension in  LoS?

 

 

[Mavideol]

15 hours ago, Rookiescot said:

But Johnson was the one with the paintbrush. This was his deal.

You cannot ignore the fact he was claiming it was a great deal after he signed it.

that's a lost cause, they will never admit to their mistakes or accept the facts/truth.... it's like catching a kid with the hand in the candy jar and the kid still denying it, same as "orange" man caught on tape but still denying it, too much of the same same but no different 555

[Mavideol]

13 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 It wasn't your so called Remainer Parliament which signed the withdrawal agreement on the 24th January 2020; it was Johnson with his 50 seat majority!

 

It wasn't your so called Remainer Parliament which went into the last GE saying they had an oven ready deal with the EU; it was Johnson.

 

Johnson and his puppet master lied to us in 2016; and they're still at it.

555 that will hurt, straight to the heart... unfortunately they are so short minded they will deform these facts

[7by7]

15 hours ago, Loiner said:

Boris could be Tom Pepper, but so long as it gets us further away from the EU trap I wouldn’t care.  

Whatever he does, if the EU hates it and the Remainers hate it, then it must be good for the UK. 

 So breaking an agreement that Boris not only agreed to but presented as a triumph for his government, thus showing that his government cannot be trusted, is good for the UK!

 

How so?

[3NUMBAS]

Because of how the eu is structured, i.e. having extremely limited input from the general public, MEP'S given only five minutes per person allowance to debate issues etc., the organisation can freely go its own way with impunity, when deciding to over-ride international treaties, which they have done by the bucket load. There is little accountability within this organisation. This highlights the difference between a democratic set-up, such as the UK. where direct interaction can take place and a Gov. is challenged and held accountable for its actions. Already the eu, decides which international obligations it will honour or jettison. This mode of behaviour will only get worse the the more power they take to themselves, when the organisations ambitions are realised and they declare themselves a superstate/empire. To say we have had a lucky escape is putting it mildly. Whatever is needed to be done to jettison the last remnants of their pernicious hold over our sovereign state needs to be supported one hundred percent by those who believe in our freedom. Check out the eu website to see how many cases the eu has against it for not adhering to international law in the WTO

[stevenl]

21 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

<snip>the organisation can freely go its own way with impunity, when deciding to over-ride international treaties, which they have done by the bucket load.<snip>

The UK is ignoring a treaty, and now you claim this about the EU? Please.

Edited September 14, 2020 by stevenl

[vogie]

3 minutes ago, herfiehandbag said:

And he believed you? Ye God's, it was a Morris Marina!

Did you break his white stick and kick his dog whilst you were at it!

Just between you and me herfie, I made the story up to make a point, it actually never happened but don't tell the remainers will you.????

[herfiehandbag]

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Just between you and me herfie, I made the story up to make a point, it actually never happened but don't tell the remainers will you.????

Just hope that they don't find out, or they will have you up there in lights as one of the great liars of 21 Century British politics - on a par with Boris, Farage, Rees-Mogg and anyone else who dares to have a sense of humour! The blessed Keir will let it be known that you have disappointed him, Dianne Abbot will use it to prove a point on a Sunday talk show ( she will get your name, the make of car and the date wrong but never mind) and assorted characters who don't wash very often will come round and paint purple and orange sunflowers on the road outside your house, before holding a "die in" on the pavement!

 

 

[luckyluke]

22 minutes ago, vogie said:

 I made the story up to make a point, it actually never happened

Nice to be honest.

I assume some will now think you may have done it regularly,

but till this particular one,

never admitted it. 

[7by7]

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

<snip.

the organisation can freely go its own way with impunity, when deciding to over-ride international treaties, which they have done by the bucket load.

 Can you give us some examples of when the EU has unilaterally done this and to which treaties?

[vogie]

11 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

Nice to be honest.

I assume some will now think you may have done it regularly,

but till this particular one,

never admitted it. 

Don't assume, it's called sarcasm, some remainers can spot it, some remainers don't want to spot it and some remainers will post it in the Guardian. Next time I make a point I'll send a telegram to every remainer to explain my actions.

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, vogie said:

Don't assume, it's called sarcasm, some remainers can spot it, some remainers don't want to spot it and some remainers will post it in the Guardian. Next time I make a point I'll send a telegram to every remainer to explain my actions.

 

I personally have problems to discover when sarcasm is used, when the situation recalled appears completely as a possible one.

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 So breaking an agreement that Boris not only agreed to but presented as a triumph for his government, thus showing that his government cannot be trusted, is good for the UK!

 

How so?

Breaking an agreement? A minor clarification that is being wildly exaggerated in EU and Remainer mass hysteria for the benefit of the unaware. If the EU wants to make threats and play games with their control of NI imports, then Boris is entitled to drive a coach and horses through the weasel words. 

The result is bound to be good for the UK if it can prise the EU clutches off NI. The real cream on the top of it being good for the UK is when it sticks it right up the Remainers, who only harbour ill intent for the UK.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Loiner

[vogie]

The very eloquent and wise Kate Hoey telling it as it is.

 

[luckyluke]

10 minutes ago, vogie said:

 trying to overturn a democratic referendum, and they're still at it 3 years later.????

Pretty sure nobody try to overturn something which is not possible. 

 

What they seems to do continually, is to affirm it is a complete bad decision. 

 

I believe the U.K. government will have to prove with concrete facts, starting next year, that not only the Remainers made a bad decision, but also to many Leavers that they made the right decision. 

[Rimmer]

Multiple off topic posts about cars trying their hardest to hijack the topic have been removed and their replies

[7by7]

39 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Breaking an agreement? A minor clarification that is being wildly exaggerated in EU and Remainer mass hysteria for the benefit of the unaware.

Minor clarification? Tell that to the people of Northern Ireland!

 

Even the Ulster Unionists, vehemently opposed to the Northern Ireland Protocol since Boris first touted it as the 'perfect' solution to the Irish border/GFA problem, have said the government should not be threatening to break international law to "right a terrible wrong" (source).

 

45 minutes ago, Loiner said:

If the EU wants to make threats and play games with their control of NI imports, then Boris is entitled to drive a coach and horses through the weasel words. 

Weasel words written by Boris' advisors (Cummings?) and touted by Boris as a triumph of his government's negotiating skills over May's.

 

Weasel words used by Boris to call a 'back me or sack me' election.

 

Weasel words which played a large part in Boris winning that election.

 

Weasel words applauded en masse by Brexiteers at the time; if I could be bothered to check, I'd probably find you amongst them!

 

50 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The result is bound to be good for the UK if it can prise the EU clutches off NI.

If those clutches exist outside your imagination, they do so because they were handed to them by Boris! His, and other's, political ambition stopped May's deal. The only real difference between that and his deal was this protocol; and now he wants to renege on that!

 

53 minutes ago, Loiner said:

The real cream on the top of it being good for the UK is when it sticks it right up the Remainers, who only harbour ill intent for the UK.

Good for the UK? 

 

You have not answered the question; how is breaking an agreement that Boris not only agreed to but presented as a triumph for his government, thus showing that his government cannot be trusted, good for the UK?

 

But your final words prove what you consider important; and it's not what's good for my country.

[candide]

Happy memories! ????

 

'Fantastic moment': Boris Johnson signs Brexit withdrawal deal

 

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/jan/24/sombre-eu-leaders-sign-brexit-withdrawal-agreement

[Loiner]

56 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

Minor clarification? Tell that to the people of Northern Ireland!

 

Even the Ulster Unionists, vehemently opposed to the Northern Ireland Protocol since Boris first touted it as the 'perfect' solution to the Irish border/GFA problem, have said the government should not be threatening to break international law to "right a terrible wrong" (source).

 

Weasel words written by Boris' advisors (Cummings?) and touted by Boris as a triumph of his government's negotiating skills over May's.

 

Weasel words used by Boris to call a 'back me or sack me' election.

 

Weasel words which played a large part in Boris winning that election.

 

Weasel words applauded en masse by Brexiteers at the time; if I could be bothered to check, I'd probably find you amongst them!

 

If those clutches exist outside your imagination, they do so because they were handed to them by Boris! His, and other's, political ambition stopped May's deal. The only real difference between that and his deal was this protocol; and now he wants to renege on that!

 

Good for the UK? 

 

You have not answered the question; how is breaking an agreement that Boris not only agreed to but presented as a triumph for his government, thus showing that his government cannot be trusted, good for the UK?

 

But your final words prove what you consider important; and it's not what's good for my country.

Kate Hoey is a person of Northern Ireland is she not? She understands it and I don't have to tell her, she's telling it to everybody.

WA written by Dominic Cummings?? You have no idea - Angela Merkel's backroom boys wrote it. After more EU lack of good faith in the transition period, Boris has overwritten and clarified it by the Internal Market Bill.

 

The EU's clutches have tightened over 40 years. Boris's bill is levering off its' last fingers from the EU's possible NI trade blockade.

 

Your breaking an agreement nonsense is just EU and Remainer howls of fake outrage, mostly because Boris (and Dominic?)  has beaten you all yet again. The world can see this and will disregard the EU to continue trading with us. That's good for the UK.

 

Anything that overrides the Remainers is good for the UK. I don't really know what your country is, but if you try to say the UK you are obviously lying about your allegiances.

[Susco]

7 minutes ago, Loiner said:

WA written by Dominic Cummings?? You have no idea - Angela Merkel's backroom boys wrote it.

Just one question.

 

If what you post is correct, why did Boris claim with big fanfare he negotiated the deal, and signed it?

 

I'm sure he would have known there and then that is wasn't written by him or his master Cummings.

[tebee]

2 hours ago, Loiner said:

Breaking an agreement? A minor clarification that is being wildly exaggerated in EU and Remainer mass hysteria for the benefit of the unaware. If the EU wants to make threats and play games with their control of NI imports, then Boris is entitled to drive a coach and horses through the weasel words. 

....

Minor clarification ? you are talking about a bill that lets a minister override any domestic or international law they feel like, without further scrutiny.  

 

Quote

relevant international or domestic law” includes—
(a) any provision of the Northern Ireland Protocol;
(b) any other provision of the EU withdrawal agreement;
(c) any other EU law or international law;
(d) any provision of the European Communities Act 1972;
(e) any provision of the European Union (Withdrawal) Act 2018;
(f) any retained EU law or relevant separation agreement law;
(g) any other legislation, convention or rule of international or
domestic law whatsoever, including any order, judgment or
decision of the European Court or of any other court or tribunal;

It's our very own Enabling act. 

[nauseus]

32 minutes ago, tebee said:

Minor clarification ? you are talking about a bill that lets a minister override any domestic or international law they feel like, without further scrutiny.  

 

It's our very own Enabling act. 

No it doesn't.

[Loiner]

43 minutes ago, tebee said:

Minor clarification ? you are talking about a bill that lets a minister override any domestic or international law they feel like, without further scrutiny.  

 

It's our very own Enabling act. 

More EU & Remainer hysteria. Boris has got one over us, again. 
It's not as good as that, but I wish it was.

[Nigel Garvie]

9 hours ago, 7by7 said:

snip

 

You have not answered the question; how is breaking an agreement that Boris not only agreed to but presented as a triumph for his government, thus showing that his government cannot be trusted, good for the UK?

 

But your final words prove what you consider important; and it's not what's good for my country.

It looks like this to me 

1) Boris touts the original agreement as a triumph.

2) Boris wants to change the agreement and asks for support for his new move which will apparently be good for all the UK.

 

WAS HE RIGHT FIRST TIME OR SECOND TIME?

WAS HE LYING THEN OR NOW?

 

Any one with even the tiniest brain can realise that there is a contradiction here. That is what you have been asking Brexiteers to address, and they have put huge effort into avoiding commenting on it. Why was it so wonderful then, and so bad now? Can't Boris and his chums read what they are signing?

[Loiner]

Boris has been supported by his party and beaten the Remainers by a majority of 77.

The EU and Remainer fury is rejected. 

[ukrules]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Boris has been supported by his party and beaten the Remainers by a majority of 77.

The EU and Remainer fury is rejected. 

Yes, I see the media have all been lying when they say there's a backlash against the government with many rebels planning on voting against.

 

Not surprising, then again, maybe a group of them leaked a lie just to make the press look even worse than they already are, you never know these days, lol ????

[englishoak]

Its passed the first stage easily... 360 to 263.

 

What none of the MSM mentions is the DUP are 100% behind this change and for good reason.. NI is part of the UK and any possibility of tariffs to any UK region from another is totally unacceptable and tbh deplorable it should even be mentioned in passing by the EU let alone agreed to in the beginning by the UK gov, but i guess it was move forward and rehash later at the time, that time is now since Barnier brought up the threat in negotiations.. more fool him.  

 

It will pass and that will be that...despite the yapping and pearl clutching..  the EU can still have a deal if they change their tune of dummy out the pram throwing or not... No deal is acceptable to most now in the UK and no surprise should it happen.. thanks to Barnier and Co.

 

 

 

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by englishoak