Perfectly legal but can't return: Retiree expat voices frustrations to Thaivisa

[bert bloggs]

Just now, polpott said:

Bangkok Pattaya.

wow that must have cost a fortune , the govt heart hospital at chonburi is far cheaper ,mind you they use the same doctors as private hospitals ,

[shackleton]

Anyone  who gives their reasons for staying leaving or trying to return to Thailand  

Must accept there will be Criticism whether good or bad

After all this is Thai Visa a open Forum for discussion 

Hopefully those stuck outside Thailand can get their visa issues resolved in the not to distant future 

 

[bert bloggs]

4 minutes ago, robblok said:

Good luck, i wish you speedy recovery. But by doing this you choose to leave Thailand. Its a choice (made out of necessity but still). Personally i think Thai doctors in the larger more expensive hospitals are as good as those in your own country.

those same doctors do the surgery at govt hospitals.

[smylee52]

Standing by to see once they drop it down to 7/14 day quarantine and proof of condo ownership and I will book. Covid test before getting on plane makes sense . Fit to fly certificate is just a silly annoyance. 

 

 

[Nout]

18 hours ago, Youlike said:

Well i had to leave thailand in july to go to Europe because my insurance only covers me for 1 year nonstop....after that i have to set foot in my homecountry or my insurance is invalid.

 

And yes now it's hard to go back...

Why didn't you just get insurance here?

[phka]

16 hours ago, MRToMRT said:

Is he wrong there? I applied for ext of stay on a non O on basis of retirement and I never provided a police record or med cert??

I've alwas been asked to provide a medical certificate but as yet never been asked to provide a police record 

[A Los for words]

1. There are a thousand different stories from people wanting to come back in. If they left for a holiday or other reason then they were either unlucky or ignorant of the situation. Either way, unless deported, they had a choice.

2. You're either married or you're not.

3. You either have the right visa or you don't.

4. COVID is not the Thai government's fault and people can be critical of rules to allow people back in, but these are the rules. The same ones that are currently keeping us safe.

5. You can leave to most countries whenever you want, thanks largely to number 4.

6. This probably won't last forever. Offload, moan, whatever it takes. Do it. Just don't expect anything to change as a result.

 

For the record, my family is in the UK and I'm staying to work because I can't get back in again easily. I don't think any one of us in Thailand is unaffected.

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by A Los for words
typo

[Magenta408]

There is confusion. 

[polpott]

Just now, robblok said:

Good luck, i wish you speedy recovery. But by doing this you choose to leave Thailand. Its a choice (made out of necessity but still). Personally i think Thai doctors in the larger more expensive hospitals are as good as those in your own country.

I choose not to leave Thailand before I know that I can return. I am managing my condition as best I can until I can return to the UK.

 

The most expensive, and best hospital in my location is Bangkok Pattaya. In February I was suffering from appendicitis and went in for emergency surgery. As part of my pre op I was given an ECG which picked up an anomaly so they gave me an echo cardiogram. They didn't inform me at any point about the results of that test (or the ECG). Luckily I had opted for microsurgery and it went well.

 

2 weeks later I had an appointment at the hospital which I assumed was a routine follow up. When I arrived for the appointment it was with a cardiologist. He asked me a few routine questions and then told me that they had found a problem on the pre op tests. I asked what exactly the problem was and he replied, "You have big heart". End of. I stood up, thanked him and legged it. I had been given a CD with all my tests on it and I sent it to my daughter/son in law in the UK, senior nurse/doctor.

 

They wrote back to me with a full diagnosis and advised me to return to the UK for angioplasty/stent fitted. As I said, a friend had the same procedure at the same hospital and it went very badly.

[NoshowJones]

14 hours ago, bwpage3 said:

You can't reach the Bangkok Post or Thai Visa for news when you are overseas?

Am I missing something here? When I was on my annual 3 week holiday in the UK, I got everything I needed to know about Thailand online with Thaivisa.

Can you not get the Bangkok Post online in the UK? I would find it hard to believe that you couldn't.

[Pattaya Spotter]

1 hour ago, polpott said:

I am still married to my wife of 30+ years in the UK... 8 years ago my wife and I decided to separate...

 

I have lived with my common law wife, in Thailand, for 6 years and have an 8 year old stepson who calls me "Dad" and who I call son. I'm the only father he's ever known.

 

Why should my situation debar me from returning to Thailand when someone who is legally married can return?

Because by necessity visa laws and regulations are made with broad categories of people in mind...and cannot be tailored to the endless permutations in the way people live their lives.

Edited October 8, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, polpott said:

I choose not to leave Thailand before I know that I can return. I am managing my condition as best I can until I can return to the UK.

 

The most expensive, and best hospital in my location is Bangkok Pattaya. In February I was suffering from appendicitis and went in for emergency surgery. As part of my pre op I was given an ECG which picked up an anomaly so they gave me an echo cardiogram. They didn't inform me at any point about the results of that test (or the ECG). Luckily I had opted for microsurgery and it went well.

 

2 weeks later I had an appointment at the hospital which I assumed was a routine follow up. When I arrived for the appointment it was with a cardiologist. He asked me a few routine questions and then told me that they had found a problem on the pre op tests. I asked what exactly the problem was and he replied, "You have big heart". End of. I stood up, thanked him and legged it. I had been given a CD with all my tests on it and I sent it to my daughter/son in law in the UK, senior nurse/doctor.

 

They wrote back to me with a full diagnosis and advised me to return to the UK for angioplasty/stent fitted. As I said, a friend had the same procedure at the same hospital and it went very badly.

For good medical care you need to be in BKK and if you had for instance talked on the health forum with Sheryll she would tell you where to go and what doctors are good. She is an angel a truly helpful person. 

[Sumarianson]

The so-called medical professionals are in fear and denial of the fact that professional doctors and virologists around the world have discovered that the virus is not the killer it is claimed to be and Thailand should well know that. The majority if not all of the deaths which were classed as being due to COVID 19 were due to underlying causes but the victims were tested positive with a defective PCR test not designed or reccomended to test for viruses by its inventor. Also, autopsies were blanketly banned on people tested to be positive with the faulty test. This has been verified by many professionals and governments. Yet the mainstream news and some governments continue to push the narrative. The contagion and mortalatity rate has been exxagerated and far reaching controls have been put in place on the basis of this so-called pandemic which anyone can see is no Spanish Flu. I have great pity for all the families unnecessarily torn apart by these unnecessary measures and my thoughts go out to them at this time. All I can say is learn as much as you can on the subject. Start with Plandemic Indoctrination on londonreal or BitChute and read the below open letter from Belgian doctors and medical professionals. I hope common sense prevails.

https://www.aier.org/article/open-letter-from-medical-doctors-and-health-professionals-to-all-belgian-authorities-and-all-belgian-media/?fbclid=IwAR3pLcDHjlyjYwPEOWxzGIXt3ykEKSe_GmoetnXrsZ-4GJl85ImeVCN084s

[yellowboat]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Not true.. only if you intend to sell the boat. But what a stupid remark as if people want to build boats and its an essential freedom.

 

You left Thailand yet you still post here seems the grass is not as green otherwise you would have forgotten about Thailand. I don't post on Dutch forums anymore why would I I don't live there or have a connection. Why is your connection to Thailand so strong if you think its so bad here.

For you, it is a stupid remark maybe because you do not make anything.  For those of us who wish to build, buy and sell, it is a truth.  That is what makes Thailand less attractive.  Socially it's probably the best.    

 

Who cares if he was going to sell the boat?  But it is a perfect example of the pettiness you must endure when doing something there.  Selling is a tax issue, not a labor issue, unless you live in Thailand.  The boat builder was not taking jobs away from Thais.  He is using Thai materials sold by their imported, low paid workers. Thailand could be as good as Vietnam or Malaysia work wise, but it is not under military rule. 

 

I post on a lot of forums.  I only started posting on this one when cha cha usurped power.  When he is gone, I might be as well.   The kids are alright. 

 

[NoshowJones]

16 hours ago, userabcd said:

Maybe the govt should simplify and differentiate visa categories in that all those on retirement should only be on OA visas and extensions thereof.

A soldiers "Government" simplifying anything???? They wouldn't have the brains.

[polpott]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

For good medical care you need to be in BKK and if you had for instance talked on the health forum with Sheryll she would tell you where to go and what doctors are good. She is an angel a truly helpful person. 

I find that Sheryl has slightly rose tinted glasses when viewing the standard of healthcare in Thailand. My views, born out of personal experience, tend to differ from her's.

[Pattaya Spotter]

37 minutes ago, Don Mega said:

Godspeed Bro, Hope you don't arrive home dead.

There are specialist heart hospitals in Bangkok...have you sought them out for a consultation? Most stent procedures are pretty routine...shouldn't be too hard to procure a competent placement in Thailand.

[polpott]

1 minute ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

There are specialist heart hospitals in Bangkok...have you sought them out for a consultation? Most stent procedures are pretty routine...shouldn't be too hard to procure a competent placement in Thailand.

Oh, another consultant cadiologist on the forum.

[robblok]

1 minute ago, yellowboat said:

For you, it is a stupid remark maybe because you do not make anything.  For those of us who wish to build, buy and sell, it is a truth.  That is what makes Thailand less attractive.  Socially it's probably the best.    

 

Who cares if he was going to sell the boat?  But it is a perfect example of the pettiness you must endure when doing something there.  Selling is a tax issue, not a labor issue, unless you live in Thailand.  The boat builder was not taking jobs away from Thais.  He is using Thai materials sold by their imported, low paid workers. Thailand could be as good as Vietnam or Malaysia work wise, but it is not under military rule. 

 

I post on a lot of forums.  I only started posting on this one when cha cha usurped power.  When he is gone, I might be as well.   The kids are alright. 

 

See now you start about buying and selling that is work.. no doubt about it. Of course its not pettiness its work and for work you need a workpermit. Those are the rules always been the rules and the people who want to do that are such a tiny minority that you making a fuzz about it is crazy.  These rules were in the book under the nom military goverment too.

 

There are far more online workers who would want to do what they want not taking away jobs. If there is something more important it would be that. But its also not legal.

 

Aha so you bend every topic into a anti military topic.. i see message gotten. Unfortunately you wont be gone soon (by that i dont mean i have something against you but would like to see the military government gone).

 

However to think that a civilian government would make things easier for expats is crazy. It was Thaksin who introduced the 90 day reporting. Now the idiots in the military added a tm30. Its never getting easier. Not anywhere in the world all countries are anti immigrants.

 

As for comparing Thailand to Vietnam. I think you never lived there.

 

 

[robblok]

3 minutes ago, polpott said:

I find that Sheryl has slightly rose tinted glasses when viewing the standard of healthcare in Thailand. My views, born out of personal experience, tend to differ from her's.

I think she is more qualified to make comments about it then you. Just my opinion. In BKK the best hospitals are available but you went second rate to Pattaya. Then don't be surprised its worse. Everyone knows that in BKK there are better doctors. 

 

Just my opinion. 

[Pattaya Spotter]

19 minutes ago, polpott said:

As I said, a friend had the same procedure at the same hospital and it went very badly.

And there's never been a bad outcome in the UK? It seems your sample size of 1 is a bit small to draw such a sweeping conclusion.

Edited October 8, 2020 by Pattaya Spotter

[tomauasia]

This army gov must go. The 1 Thai billionaires were right. They have failed the people. You should be tried for treason and destruction  and theft.

[connda]

20 hours ago, webfact said:

He said that he also wants to spend money and support the local economy, saying that Thailand is his home and the country he loves.

His "home?" He lives in a very dysfunctional "home" where mummy and daddy don't love anyone except their own flesh and blood children. 
Mr. P and the rest of us "outsiders" are naught but red-headed step children who are not allowed into the main house, and who are ignored except when it's time to dole out the punishment.  Then we function as great whipping boy and girls.

[polpott]

5 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

And there's never been a bad outcome in the UK? It seems your sample size of 1 is a bit small to draw such a sweeping conclusion.

I'm not drawing sweeping conclusions. I'm drawing conclusions about what and where is the best solution for me on the basis of my experiences.

 

Again, based on my experience, I have had a wide range of life saving procedures in UK hospitals and never had a bad outcome.

 

 

Edited October 8, 2020 by polpott

[khunPer]

Quarantine and certificates seems to be the same, no matter who enters, so difficult to understand that 90-day snowbirds can be allowed in, whilst retirees already having their non-immigrant O-visa and extensions of stay with re-entry permit – i.e. the are already kind of residents in the country – are not allowed to enter...????

[tomauasia]

20 hours ago, Youlike said:

I think it's right to let the married spouses in first...that's why they were married and you could have done the same if you wanted.

Yes the army hate whites. And Thai woman hate the racist uneducated watch collective thiefs

[murraynz]

16 hours ago, MRToMRT said:

For those questioning travel in March. I, myself, left Thailand in last week of Feb, there was no thought of a Thailand shutdown at that point. At all.

 

And once you are outside Thailand theres no coverage of Thai news or rumours overseas. I would not spend my holidays signing into here as well.

 

For those who think we are idiots, I hope something similar happens too you someday. Boot other foot.  

Well said...i actually returned to thailand o 13th march,pure luck,as my trip was planned and paid for,over 6mths prior..

To the people who criticise those that complain about being locked out..if you knew about when lockdowns would happen.do you also know the lotto numbers..

Most people plan their travel in advance...

In our wildest dreams...we didnt expect such lengthy lockdowns.

I feel so so lucky,not to have been affected by it....but realy sympathise with those that are locked out,away from family etc

[Tich]

Marry your bird, or knock her up  ????

[NoshowJones]

3 hours ago, beavenlen said:

spouse,wife,live in girlfriend,.....Whats the difference???

A  piece of paper, or in Thailands case, about twenty pieces of paper.

[sletraveler]

20 hours ago, Mr Meeseeks said:

They were in complete denial about the stupidity of their own actions on here shortly after the lockdown commenced. Blaming everyone except themselves for their own bad decisions.

 

It was obvious that a lockdown could happen as early as end of Feb so anyone travelling subsequent to that period took a massive risk.

 

Well, it's not really your home is it? Or are you still in denial about your status here? 

 

Some people will never learn I guess.

Home is where the heart is.  Is it not?   Home isn’t a legal status.