'People must brace for new-normal lifestyle for at least two years before Covid-19 is contained'

[The Now Factor]

 I'm paraphrasing here. The "second wave" is based on fake data of false positives.The "pandemic" is over.

This quote is attributed to the chief science officer of pharma company Phizer.

Is he wrong?

[polpott]

9 minutes ago, The Now Factor said:

 I'm paraphrasing here. The "second wave" is based on fake data of false positives.The "pandemic" is over.

This quote is attributed to the chief science officer of pharma company Phizer.

Is he wrong?

Yep.

[Virt]

2 hours ago, The Now Factor said:

All kidding aside,it can be contained right now with soap n water.

 

Soap destroys the lipid membrane in covid-19 so it can't infect anyone , but I think we need a little bit more than soap to deal with this problem. 

 

We can't keep distance at all times, and masks has not proven to be very effective, so we probably have to wait for a vaccine. 

 

But then again.

We had a super effective vaccine for measles for 50 years and we still see outbreaks of that disease, since we got some people on the planet that either has no access to the vaccine or people that refuse to use vaccines. 

 

So we might as well just learn to live with Covid-19 and accept it's here to stay for a while if not forever. 

 

It's not the last pandemic. 

The question is if the governments worldwide has learned anything from this, when the next one hit us.

[Artisi]

13 hours ago, nobodysfriend said:

Normality is based on the average individual behavior ... that means if the average individual is just stupid , stupidity is normal ...

Think you are onto something, there are certainly a lot of people showing signs of stupidity.... 

[Bluedan]

12 minutes ago, The Now Factor said:

 I'm paraphrasing here. The "second wave" is based on fake data of false positives.The "pandemic" is over.

This quote is attributed to the chief science officer of pharma company Phizer.

Is he wrong?

are you talking about the ex Chief Science Officer Mike Yeadon? Its pretty startling comment from someone who would have had an interest in producing a vaccine. I have heard him several interviews and found him to be compelling. 

[Fex Bluse]

If you pay attention closely enough, you will notice MANY Thai experts simply translate into Thai what they see in Western media. Usually they are weeks or months behind.

Average Thais, who usually can understand only Thai, are led to believe these Thais are genuine experts. 

[pookondee]

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

Tens of 1000s, not all of them have masks on either. Your spot on, something is slightly amiss here, any further comment will be a conspiracy theory or asking for proof. I've been on a protest with 30,000 people last month, sat on planes full of people, been in close contact in pubs and when you hardly test like in Thailand you don't have a covid-19 problem.

 

Well i guess the world has got to start asking a few questions, not only of Thailand,

but everywhere:

 

If there is no testing at place A, therefor no figures of Covid numbers..

Yet magically, life still manages to go on with no Armageddon or people falling dead in the streets?

Ignorance is bliss?..

 yet we continue this ridiculous destruction of our economies?

 

Also place B has 30,000 people bunched up protesting but theres no outbreaks?

huh?

But your not allowed to do this and that,

and must adhere to all manner of ridiculous things to.. "save lives"

yeah right!

 

I remember Australia had massive BLM demonstrations at the worst time and ONLY 3 people got infected..

oh COME On.. lol

 

Place C (melbourne AUS?)

has 1 case (yes 1) that comes out of a suburb in the middle of nowhere and its time to panic?

BTW, There are 5 people sick in Melbourne,

yet everyone remains locked up??

(melbourne airport might be a clue)

 

Australia even refuses to let people leave the country..

(Not wanting all that welfare money to leak out of the country until its churned back into the economy?)

BTW..

which would also work in pretty handy in keeping Melbourne airport shut for as long as possible, since its the hub of international travel..

 

And why the aviation and tourist industries in Australia are just sitting on their hands and copping all this?

 

For that matter why arent the people of Australia going absolutely ballistic and protesting about all this BS?

 

One can understand drastic measures in places that are inundated,

but why must people in zero Covid zones  (example: Western Australia) be putting up with this cรap and watching their lives disintegrate?

 

crazy times call for crazy questions and even crazy conspiracy theories

 

 

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by pookondee

[Artisi]

17 minutes ago, The Now Factor said:

 I'm paraphrasing here. The "second wave" is based on fake data of false positives.The "pandemic" is over.

This quote is attributed to the chief science officer of pharma company Phizer.

Is he wrong?

It sounds like a definite maybe to me. 

[FarFlungFalang]

5 minutes ago, Virt said:

It's not the last pandemic. 

The question is if the governments worldwide has learned anything from this, when the next one hit us.

If they learn from their mistakes then they would have learned a great deal,but first they would have to realise that they are mistakes,so probably not.It's not over yet so we can expect a lot more mistakes.

[Bluedan]

1 minute ago, pookondee said:

 

Well i guess the world has got to start asking a few questions, not only of Thailand,

but everywhere:

 

If there is no testing at place A, therefor no figures of Covid numbers..

Yet magically, life still manages to go on with no Armageddon or people falling dead in the streets?

Ignorance is bliss?..

 yet we continue this ridiculous destruction of our economies?

 

Also place B has 30,000 people bunched up protesting but theres no outbreaks?

huh?

But your not allowed to do this and that,

and must adhere to all manner of ridiculous things to.. "save lives"

yeah right!

 

I remember Australia had massive BLM demonstrations at the worst time and ONLY 3 people got infected..

oh COME On.. lol

 

Place C (melbourne AUS?)

has 1 case (yes 1) that comes out of a suburb in the middle of nowhere and its time to panic?

BTW, There are 5 people sick in Melbourne,

yet everyone remains locked up??

(melbourne airport might be a clue)

 

Australia even refuses to let people leave the country..

(Not wanting welfare money to leak out of the country?

BTW..which would also work in pretty handy in wanting to keep Melbourne shut for as long as possible )

 

And why the aviation and tourist industries in Australia are just sitting on their hands and copping all this?

 

For that matter why arent the people of Australia going absolutely ballistic and protesting about all this BS?

 

One can understand drastic measures in places that are inundated,

but why must people in zero Covid zones  (example: Western Australia) be putting up with this cรap and watching their lives disintegrate?

 

crazy times call for crazy conspiracy theories!! 

 

 

 

I can only put it down to fear. look back to the beginning the Imperial College lead by Neil  Ferguson used computer modeling which forecast aremgedon. In a state of fear people willingly give up their rights. When the predictions proved wrong those responsible doubled down and refused to concede an error had been made. After that the propaganda machines took over. There is plenty of self interest at stake. Take for example CNN the biggest cable network in the USA. Every second commercial is by big pharmacy. Then look at Thailand every day the headlines are about COVID case numbers (not about traffic deaths which are far worse) and its also easy to see how the government finds the fear and health emergency convenient for population control.

[tribalfusion001]

33 minutes ago, The Now Factor said:

 I'm paraphrasing here. The "second wave" is based on fake data of false positives.The "pandemic" is over.

This quote is attributed to the chief science officer of pharma company Phizer.

Is he wrong?

Dr Mike Yeadon, I've seen his interviews and the stats do seem to reflect this. He is ignored along with other scientists and medical experts. The PCR tests are causing a casedemic the same as H1N1 Swine flu in 2009.

Edited October 26, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[Lacessit]

2 hours ago, vermin on arrival said:

Nonsense. For all the foolish people who chime follow the science, and then deny that immunity and herd immunity exist and can be achieved with this virus, here is a statement from the Western doctors and health care professionals who signed the Great Barrington Declaration and the scientific fact of herd immunity and covid 19:

 

"Herd immunity is a scientifically proven phenomenon. To ask an epidemiologist if they believe in herd immunity is like asking a physicist if they believe in gravity. Those who deny herd immunity may also wish to join the flat-earth society." 

 

https://gbdeclaration.org/frequently-asked-questions/

 

If one watched the two hour summit, the epidemiologist and physician, Dr. Stefan Baral of John Hopkins University said that herd immunity for every infectious disease is a biological reality/fact and asking for herd immunity to be proven for covid before deciding public health policy for this virus is like a pilot asking for gravity to be proven before he can land his plane. It is a fact as basic as gravity. It will happen one way or another either through enough people achieving immunity through infection or with a vaccine or some combination of the two. He discusses this issue at around the 29 minute mark of the 2 hour video summit.

 

https://gbdeclaration.org/video/

 

 

Dr. Stefan Baral is not quite correct. There has never been herd immunity for diseases such as tetanus, that live in the soil and are not transmitted person to person. Same goes for Legionella pneumophila from cooling towers.

Therefore, saying herd immunity is as valid a concept as gravity is nonsense. Gravity doesn't do exceptions.

[tribalfusion001]

18 minutes ago, polpott said:

Yep.

I see, you know more than virologists, doctors and professors, plus an ex employee of Pfizer. Glad to see we have such an expert here to enlighten us 5555.

[pookondee]

2 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

I can only put it down to fear. look back to the beginning the Imperial College lead by Neil  Ferguson used computer modeling which forecast aremgedon. In a state of fear people willingly give up their rights. When the predictions proved wrong those responsible doubled down and refused to concede an error had been made. After that the propaganda machines took over. There is plenty of self interest at stake. Take for example CNN the biggest cable network in the USA. Every second commercial is by big pharmacy. Then look at Thailand every day the headlines are about COVID case numbers (not about traffic deaths which are far worse) and its also easy to see how the government finds the fear and health emergency convenient for population control.

Spot on.

And im sure there are many countries who are really quite happy in being able to lasoo their citizens back home and keep them there..

follow the (tax) money?

 

BUT..The most glaring of proof, right in front of our eyes for all to see..

 

we were first told these measures were just so hospitals wouldn't be inundated.

Yet now the objective seems to be zero cases?

<deleted>?

 

While hospitals sit empty, medical staff put off, or hours knocked back,

while other elective surgery and even crucial surgery gets held back because of Covid..

and yet people are dying, not only from the lack of care,

and suicides..

(which Australia bans releasing any figures on  BTW)

 

All when there ISNT even any Covid patients in the daนม hospitals

(speaking of Australia here)

 

So yeah many <deleted>'s and questions in all countries and from your examples also.

 

[tribalfusion001]

17 minutes ago, pookondee said:

Spot on.

And im sure there are many countries who are really quite happy in being able to lasoo their citizens back home and keep them there..

follow the (tax) money?

 

BUT..The most glaring of proof, right in front of our eyes for all to see..

 

we were first told these measures were just so hospitals wouldn't be inundated.

Yet now the objective seems to be zero cases?

<deleted>?

 

While hospitals sit empty, medical staff put off, or hours knocked back,

while other elective surgery and even crucial surgery gets held back because of Covid..

and yet people are dying, not only from the lack of care,

and suicides..

(which Australia bans releasing any figures on  BTW)

 

All when there ISNT even any Covid patients in the daนม hospitals

(speaking of Australia here)

 

So yeah many <deleted>'s and questions in all countries and from your examples also.

 

What I've been reading for the last month is when hospitals in European countries will run out of ICU beds, first it was the middle of this month, then end of this month and now it's the middle of November. Everytime they mention the ICU beds are running out, restrictions come in, the beds never run out and some of these countries have built extra capacity for ICU beds and ventilators, they never get used.

 

I saved this article from May about the virus disappearing fast for testing vaccines in Europe and then by magic the 2nd wave came.

 

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-disappearing-so-fast-oxford-vaccine-has-only-50-chance-of-working-11993739

Edited October 26, 2020 by tribalfusion001

[Bluedan]

35 minutes ago, pookondee said:

Spot on.

And im sure there are many countries who are really quite happy in being able to lasoo their citizens back home and keep them there..

follow the (tax) money?

 

BUT..The most glaring of proof, right in front of our eyes for all to see..

 

we were first told these measures were just so hospitals wouldn't be inundated.

Yet now the objective seems to be zero cases?

<deleted>?

 

While hospitals sit empty, medical staff put off, or hours knocked back,

while other elective surgery and even crucial surgery gets held back because of Covid..

and yet people are dying, not only from the lack of care,

and suicides..

(which Australia bans releasing any figures on  BTW)

 

All when there ISNT even any Covid patients in the daนม hospitals

(speaking of Australia here)

 

So yeah many <deleted>'s and questions in all countries and from your examples also.

 

yes remember that phrase "flatten the curve" well it was flattened (I'm talking hospitalizations and deaths not 'cases") and no one mentions it anymore. In Australia the policy became defacto eradication. Ok that seems more possible on an island nation but what happens next? every time theres a few new cases lockdown? The vaccine when its ready wont rid the world of the virus so how does zero tolerance work then?

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Bluedan

[jerolamo]

This guy is expert about nothing more than industry who paid him to propagate fear and vaccine market to come soon.

 

[Flying Saucage]

This is an excellent and well written scientific analysis of Thai group dynamics and the Thai psyche, by Jiraporn Laocharoenwong, Faculty of Political Science, Chulalongkorn University. Jiraporn holds a PhD of the Faculty of Social and Bahavioural Sciences, University of Amsterdam. The article was published by the German Heinrich Böll Foundation:

 

https://th.boell.org/en/2020/10/08/covid-19-health-borders-and-purity-thai-nation

 

It explains very well the current Thai mindset regarding the isolation of the country, the Thai xenophobia, and their willingness to discriminate foreigners and even Thais (!) when they come back home from abroad.

 

So, this analysis explains not only the interesting aspect of "purity" in the Thai culture, but especially the Thai paranoia about Covid-19. And, it reveals how even Thai citizens like migrant workers can become victims of the Thai xenophobia. 

 

As a sidenote from my side, likely for reasons of political correctness and as this is not the topic of the analysis and as the article is not political, Jiraporn (still claims to) trust the governmental Covid numbers. 

 

Nevertheless, connecting the points, it gives a deep insight on how the Thai government and its demagogic mouthpieces Yong and Thira are using this Thai cultural mindset for their own purposes.

 

The article also reveals how the government back in March used Covid as a trigger for the isolation of the country, and how it continues to cultivate and to misuse the susceptibility of the Thai people, in order to make them a tool for their political agenda.

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Flying Saucage

[rabas]

1 hour ago, Bluedan said:

yes remember that phrase "flatten the curve" well it was flattened (I'm talking hospitalizations and deaths not 'cases") and no one mentions it anymore. In Australia the policy became defacto eradication. Ok that seems more possible on an island nation but what happens next? every time theres a few new cases lockdown? The vaccine when its ready wont rid the world of the virus so how does zero tolerance work then?

 

Daily hospitalizations in Europe are sky-rocketing, way above the US or anything seen before. Just 6 countries Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, and Switzerland are near 100,000/day.  The Check republic and Brussels are off the charts.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/22/world/europe/europe-hospitals-covid.html

[woogoo]

16 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Exactly. Listen to the scientists, not the conspiracy theory websites or politicians.  Sadly, many don't do this.

Which scientists? The ones saying masks and lockdowns are innefective and wrong? Or, the ones working for the politicians that are spreading the idea of the "new normal"?

[tribalfusion001]

8 minutes ago, rabas said:

 

Daily hospitalizations in Europe are sky-rocketing, way above the US or anything seen before. Just 6 countries Germany, UK, France, Italy, Spain, and Switzerland are near 100,000/day.  The Check republic and Brussels are off the charts.

 

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2020/10/22/world/europe/europe-hospitals-covid.html

Not much of a panic going on in the UK, media scaremongering, restrictions, people getting angry, mortality same as last year, debatable whether hospital admissions are different to last year. The mainstream media drive this nonsense and have all year.

[n00dle]

18 hours ago, ezzra said:

The thing is that no no can or will tell you what the new normal is and what to prepare for, could it be that the new normal is Not normal? and that everyday bring new "new normal"? who can really say beyond just throwing cliche phrases into the air?...

The thing is I live my normal every day,. Sure it changes a bit, but its still normal.

[A512]

what a load!!!

[woogoo]

14 hours ago, JerseytoBKK said:

3 months ago I thought the same thing, but not now. Are our "leaders" going to just miraculously give up their newfound powers over us? Now that they see how easy it was to scare the majority of people and turn them into children frightened by monsters hiding under the bed, they will feel duty bound to continue to rule us with a firm hand.

There is nothing more permanent than temporary government programs.

[Throatwobbler]

11 hours ago, Peter Denis said:

Congrats, you are a Runner-Up in the Most Condescending Post of the Year contest.

At least I understand science. Unlike yourself.

[Throatwobbler]

9 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Whenever I see a European country on the tv news most seem to be wearing masks, but they haven't stopped the "second wave". I wonder how that could be?

Because many people have not worn a mask and been mixing with other non mask wearers. It is really not that <deleted> difficult to understand.

 

If you still want to believe your anti mask BS please read all of this article. Thaibeachlovers please be aware that there are big words and science in this article. If you can not cope withl that I would fully understand. Just say too much science for me.

 

Edited October 26, 2020 by Throatwobbler

[tribalfusion001]

1 minute ago, Throatwobbler said:

Because many people have not worn a mask and been mixing with other non mask wearers. It is really not that <deleted> difficult to understand.

If one person has a mask on and the other has not got a mask they are both covered. Judging by the videos I've seen of Thailand it's a healthy split of both there too. You do realise that people cannot wear a mask 24 hours a day and most viral infections are caught in the home, not the supermarket or the bar or the restaurant or walking in the street.

[fruitman]

Very scary that i'm not allowed to post the death rate of this virus which was also published by the WHO.....the latest news is that the normal flue has disappeared for this year.

[TeaMonkey]

5 minutes ago, tribalfusion001 said:

If one person has a mask on and the other has not got a mask they are both covered. Judging by the videos I've seen of Thailand it's a healthy split of both there too. You do realise that people cannot wear a mask 24 hours a day and most viral infections are caught in the home, not the supermarket or the bar or the restaurant or walking in the street.

So if everyone is wearing a mask outside of the home does the virus jump off the mask when they are home and infect them?

 

[tribalfusion001]

9 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

So if everyone is wearing a mask outside of the home does the virus jump off the mask when they are home and infect them?

 

Care homes and hospitals are the culprits, you notice the average age of the people dying and their pre exisiting conditions. Everyone in the world is not going to wear a mask.

Edited October 26, 2020 by tribalfusion001