I don't see decimating your economy as a success and all the deaths and harm that's gone with it. Back in January when China were releasing (what we now know to be false) images of people collapsing in the street and Thai government blindly followed the World Health Organisations advice at the time to not close its borders. 

In those three months before lockdown millions of tourists (mainly from China) arrived and went. Even I was aghast at the time why they didn't close them earlier. In addition there are huge question marks over the accuracy of the tests and even the Thai government acknowledged many false positive results over the months after lockdown. As the Bangkok Post recently stated an increase of 22% in suicides more have died as a consequence of this overreaction, not to mention the over 11 thousand who have died on the roads. 

But if your testing only 14 thousand out of a million of the population how on earth can any state Thailand is Covid free. My point is we should have learned to live with it. 

In fear we make bad choices. If it were ebola Id be right there with them but it simply isn't. Thailand isn't winning anything. It's a huge loss that's almost always those who make the decisions never pay the price.

There is no going back to normal. Oncw we accept this we have a different  debate and conversation. If anyone is any doubt look up the great reset from the World Economic Forum.

11 hours ago, simon43 said:

"New normal lifestyle"?  I'm intrigued also as to what this is.  My lifestyle is absolutely unchanged.  I can only think it refers to international travel, which certainly has been affected.  Otherwise, no changes here....

Me,me and me   

34 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

News to me, Rupert Murdoch has been influencing politics in Australia for decades, and the US since he became an American citizen. IMO he would be very miffed to hear Fox News described as left-wing, or not mainstream.

they are referring to American Mainstream i.e. CNN and MSNBC which Americans laughably call "left wing" because they are anti trump. The democrats are really like a left wing of the Republican Party their policies are right of centre and they are sponsored by big corporations. Yet they are labelled as "socialists" by some lol. So yeah thats your "left wing media"...just left of Fox News 

It is astoundingly ridiculous to imagine it any other way.  

The vaccine is here, they are just putting the last part through trials.  They are all confident that it will work.  The problem is getting it out there to billions of people.  And for tourism, most of earth needs to have had some exposure to it.  

This pandemic is past its infancy, it's now in the toddler state.  And it's going to be a long time till this is over.  2021 will likely be a total write-off, unless you're Thai and count 400 tourists visiting a month as a major accomplishment.

I dont know better but something wrong with all this picture.

China supposedly fixed everything and economy gaining, US supposedly getting worse.

Now I read there is going be 2 more years of this nonsense. The point is these medical professionals knows as much as nothing and just trying look important.

13 minutes ago, Bim Smith said:

There is no going back to normal. Oncw we accept this we have a different  debate and conversation. If anyone is any doubt look up the great reset from the World Economic Forum.

When things like the WEF The Great Reset, Event201 etc are available to read on the internet it just fuels the conspiracy theories and government policies that are smashing economies, then people make the connection, whether that is right or wrong.

 

People need to come to their own conclusions what is safe for them and what they want to do.

12 hours ago, webfact said:

'People must brace for new-normal lifestyle for at least two years before Covid-19 is contained'

By The Nation

 

Dr Yong Poovorawan, a specialist in virology at Chulalongkorn University.

 

The Covid-19 pandemic may take about two years to slow down, after a large number of people become infected and become immune to the disease and around 60 per cent of world population receive a vaccine, a medical expert said on Sunday.

 

Dr Yong Poovorawan, a specialist in virology at Chulalongkorn University, said the "new normal lifestyle" is needed for at least two years until the population has been immunised to levels that are higher than the herd immunity figure.

 

Speaking of achieving herd immunity, he said when the majority of people become immune to Covid-19, either through infection and recovery or enough vaccination, then the disease will not spread.

 

Giving an analogy, he said: “It is like a person who has immunity is a white sheep, and a person without immunity is a black sheep. If there are mostly white sheep in the herd, germs or dangers that could befall the black sheep would be kept at bay because the white sheep surrounding it would make it difficult for the invaders,” said Dr Yong.

 

As for Covid-19, it is estimated that 60 per cent or more of the group should have immunity, or immunity should be acquired by vaccination of at least 60 per cent of the population, then the virus can be contained, but that does not mean it has been eradicated, he cautioned.

 

Source: https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30396735

 

-- © Copyright The Nation Thailand 2020-10-26

 

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Knowing that some people got re infected again... how long will this immunity last? ( also for the vaccine). Sure is T wants follow WHO and vaccinate...

1 hour ago, tribalfusion001 said:

That's the question everyone should be asking and I think the answer lies in the mass testing.

 

Nearly time for the live feeds of today's protest in BKK.

Just managed to get my run in at Lumpini park and stay ahead of the mass crowd of protestors pushing up Rama 4.  Made it through the intersection and past the German Embassy.  Now watching the crowd push forward up Rama 4 and to Sathon Rd. from the Condo's balcony.  Quite impressive, if this is part of the New Normal, it will be an awakening for those in power.

41 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

It is astoundingly ridiculous to imagine it any other way.  

The vaccine is here, they are just putting the last part through trials.  They are all confident that it will work.  The problem is getting it out there to billions of people.  And for tourism, most of earth needs to have had some exposure to it.  

This pandemic is past its infancy, it's now in the toddler state.  And it's going to be a long time till this is over.  2021 will likely be a total write-off, unless you're Thai and count 400 tourists visiting a month as a major accomplishment.

knowing they test on YOUNG and HEALTHY people, i m not so confident it will really work.. flu vaccine works in best case for 60%, some years only 10%.... ( in South Korea already 15 deads due to new flu vaccine).. so anyway even you get vaccine, not sure you will be 100% protected and you will have to take very very care ...  I think I will wait a little bit

Whenenver I see his face appearing, I am closed to puke. How comes ?

11 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

Just managed to get my run in at Lumpini park and stay ahead of the mass crowd of protestors pushing up Rama 4.  Made it through the intersection and past the German Embassy.  Now watching the crowd push forward up Rama 4 and to Sathon Rd. from the Condo's balcony.  Quite impressive, if this is part of the New Normal, it will be an awakening for those in power.

So your part of the movement now, good on you 555. Be careful III

5 minutes ago, Patjqm said:

knowing they test on YOUNG and HEALTHY people, i m not so confident it will really work.. flu vaccine works in best case for 60%, some years only 10%.... ( in South Korea already 15 deads due to new flu vaccine).. so anyway even you get vaccine, not sure you will be 100% protected and you will have to take very very care ...  I think I will wait a little bit

the companies producing the vaccine are not saying it will give complete immunity. sounds like at best it will give partial coverage which is better than none at all, but then if you have more than a 99% chance of survival and not in any  high risk category why would you risk a rushed vaccine 

also lets take a look at the co morbidity factors apart from age...obesity, diabetes, heart conditions are amongst the worst...how about some focus on diet and healthy living which in the long term will save more lives not just from this but from other diseases. 

2 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

the companies producing the vaccine are not saying it will give complete immunity. sounds like at best it will give partial coverage which is better than none at all, but then if you have more than a 99% chance of survival and not in any  high risk category why would you risk a rushed vaccine 

also lets take a look at the co morbidity factors apart from age...obesity, diabetes, heart conditions are amongst the worst...how about some focus on diet and healthy living which in the long term will save more lives not just from this but from other diseases. 

exactly! IFR <70y: 0,05%, and general 0,23%....  and even with vaccine ( not tested on older people or peole with co morbidity...) one still had to protect himself, healthy living etc as you say....Vaccine is not the solution...

1 minute ago, Patjqm said:

exactly! IFR <70y: 0,05%, and general 0,23%....  and even with vaccine ( not tested on older people or peole with co morbidity...) one still had to protect himself, healthy living etc as you say....Vaccine is not the solution...

If we are so concerned about public health why don't we restrict sugar for kids or at least the marketing of it... sugar is the worlds biggest killer...approximately 11 million deaths per year are caused by bad diet high in sugar in yet barely a peep about this 

53 minutes ago, olfu said:

I dont know better but something wrong with all this picture.

China supposedly fixed everything and economy gaining, US supposedly getting worse.

Now I read there is going be 2 more years of this nonsense. The point is these medical professionals knows as much as nothing and just trying look important.

China fixed everything by having one of the most draconian lockdowns on the planet, entire cities were cut off from any outside contact.

Imagine if all of San Francisco or Chicago were placed in a similar lockdown, the BLM protests would look like a tea party by comparison.

Either you have a full lockdown, or you don't. That's why the US is having more deaths and active cases than anywhere else, because everything is halfa##ed.

It sounds a realistic scenario.  Thank you Dr Yong to tell us the true in this ocean of lies.

19 minutes ago, Bluedan said:

If we are so concerned about public health why don't we restrict sugar for kids or at least the marketing of it... sugar is the worlds biggest killer...approximately 11 million deaths per year are caused by bad diet high in sugar in yet barely a peep about this 

Because...

 

“The global health expenditure on diabetes is expected to total at least USD 376 billion or ID 418 billion in 2010 and USD 490 billion or ID 561 billion in 2030.“
 

Source:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20171754/
 

As the comedian Chris Rock aptly put it...

 

“Ain't no money in the cure. The money's in the medicine. That's how you get paid…“

 

 

All kidding aside,it can be contained right now with soap n water.

8 minutes ago, Airalee said:

Because...

 

“The global health expenditure on diabetes is expected to total at least USD 376 billion or ID 418 billion in 2010 and USD 490 billion or ID 561 billion in 2030.“
 

Source:  https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/20171754/
 

As the comedian Chris Rock aptly put it...

 

“Ain't no money in the cure. The money's in the medicine. That's how you get paid…“

 

 

wow thats amazing

any guess how much money will be spent on the COVID vaccine which wont be a one off jab it will be annual at least and possibly mandatory in some countries 

1 hour ago, polpott said:

Good. then you won't mind admitting that the link you provided is from a website known for accommodating far-right individuals and conspiracy theorists, and for hosting hateful material.

It's not conspiracy. It's also being released on many pay-sites. Bitchute is a free torrent site. You can pay $18 to make it more real.

 

It's a full length documentary based on top US government officials including senators, intelligence officials, and analysts. Live, in person interviews with the real people involved, those in the room so to speak. Can't get more real.

5 hours ago, polpott said:

Could it be some figures from Covid (only that ignoramous Trump calls it "Wuhan flu") are added to normal flu stats? No? Doesn't suit your agenda?

 

All parties (except Trump) agree that the figures for Covid deaths is an underestimation. Are you telling me that there have been less than 59 deaths in Thailand?

Who Knows ,Who's Fudging the Numbers? Maybe more ,Maybe Not Less.

24 minutes ago, The Now Factor said:

All kidding aside,it can be contained right now with soap n water.

And another one who just does not get it..................time to dig a little deeper and learn what this Virus really does, and how long it can stay viable.  Soap and water will not contain anything.

12 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And another one who just does not get it..................time to dig a little deeper and learn what this Virus really does, and how long it can stay viable.  Soap and water will not contain anything.

All of the restrictions need to stop asap, the economic damage is too great vs lives lost. Managed protection for the vulnerable is the only way out, people are not going to accept this for another 6 to 12 months.

2 hours ago, Bkktodd said:

Me,me and me   

Indeed.  I found that my life vastly improved and my stress levels went right down after I stopped being unselfish and put myself first over ex-wives, snowflakes, PC exponents and nut-jobs.....  

The Thai version of Idiot Faucci ?

 

Meanwhile on another online site you can see pictures of several thousand Thais (bunched together closely) protesting in the street.

 

and how many days now?

 

social distancing be daมนed?

 

not worried about the evil covid?

 

The next article talks about 4 people found positive in quarantine facilities and one at the airport..

which will no doubt induce mass panic accross the land.

 

So, is anything slightly amiss here or is it just me??

RE - The Covid-19 pandemic may take about two years to slow down

 

* A good opportunity to use that period to clean the air and beaches which create places of work  instead of continously spending time on  new visa and quarantine rules for a tourism that maybe kicks in after 2 years or later .... 

2 minutes ago, pookondee said:

The Thai version of Idiot Faucci ?

 

Meanwhile on another online site you can see pictures of several thousand Thais (bunched together closely) protesting in the street.

 

and how many days now?

 

social distancing be daมนed?

 

not worried about the evil covid?

 

The next article talks about 4 people found positive in quarantine facilities and one at the airport..

which will no doubt induce mass panic accross the land.

 

So, is anything slightly amiss here or is it just me??

Tens of 1000s, not all of them have masks on either. Your spot on, something is slightly amiss here, any further comment will be a conspiracy theory or asking for proof. I've been on a protest with 30,000 people last month, sat on planes full of people, been in close contact in pubs and when you hardly test like in Thailand you don't have a covid-19 problem.

11 minutes ago, ttrd said:

RE - The Covid-19 pandemic may take about two years to slow down

 

* A good opportunity to use that period to clean the air and beaches which create places of work  instead of continously spending time on  new visa and quarantine rules for a tourism that maybe kicks in after 2 years or later .... 

airlines will take many years to rebuild themselves as thyre all on their last legs so factor that in

14 hours ago, ezzra said:

The thing is that no no can or will tell you what the new normal is and what to prepare for, could it be that the new normal is Not normal? and that everyday bring new "new normal"? who can really say beyond just throwing cliche phrases into the air?...

Including the never ending emergency decree 

28 minutes ago, Mike k said:

Including the never ending emergency decree 

Which has just been extended by another month. We all know why and it has nothing to do with Covid.