U.S. vote count edges Biden closer to win as Trump mounts legal challenges

[ChouDoufu]

21 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

Any proof or do you just believe anything that trump says?

 

to be fair, much of that post WAS correct.  it was the interpretation that was flawed.

 

op stated "Yes, I know, but these aren't army votes. They are piles of mail ballots coming in late in a state that is going slow on counting - a state that is a crucial swing state. "

 

pennsylvania IS a crucial swing state.

 

the ballots ARE coming in "late," if you consider being counted the day after the election late, or being brought into the counting room after the polls close late.

 

these were not (all) military votes, which can be counted if received by the 10th.  (statistically some of the ballots must surely have been military.)

 

the flaw is taking the "lateness" out of context.  mail-in votes collected over the past month could NOT be pre-canvassed, as requested by vote official, as the republican side refused to allow this.  therefore the envelopes could not be sorted or opened until the polls closed.  millions of ballots.

 

republicans claiming the state is "going slow"?  we must also recall the postal service shenanigans such as decommissioning of sorting machines, cutting of overtime, leaving mail in the sorting facility at daily close, and removal of post boxes.

 

the state supreme court ruled mail-in ballots postmarked by election day could be accepted thru the sixth.  late in terms of poll closing, but NOT late by law.

 

[wwest5829]

9 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

20' and after a court order the judge permitted them to move to 6'......nothing to see here, move on.

Whoa, check quoting me ... I did not say this ...???

[Proboscis]

17 hours ago, chickenslegs said:

I'm not American, so maybe there's something about the counting that I don't understand.

Many states have been declared as Trump or Biden wins - before all the votes have been counted.

 

One example: Arizona declared as a win for Biden.

So far the vote count is Trump 1,400,000 and Biden 1,470,000 a lead of  just 70,000.

But, there are still almost 400,000 votes uncounted.

Surely this means that Trump could still win, theoretically.

What am I missing?

 

I'm taking these figures from the Guardian live update https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/ng-interactive/2020/nov/03/us-election-2020-live-results-donald-trump-joe-biden-who-won-presidential-republican-democrat

I am watching CNN live and they have just covered Arizona. They have refused to call Arizona although I have heard that Fox News did. I would agree with CNN's cautious approach. In previous elections you could extrapolate based on a representative sample of the vote. But now, because of drop off votes, postal votes which outstrip the number of on the day votes, this is no longer possible, especially in states where the state legislature does not allow counting or even preparation of postal votes (such as taking them out of their envelopes) until the day after the election is over.

[onthedarkside]

This is what I'm seeing for Pennsylvania as of 1 pm TH time. The final Nov. 6 deadline in Pennsylvania will be about 16 hours from now. Lots of mail-in ballots not yet tallied into the results:

 

https://www.electionreturns.pa.gov/

 

 

https://www.votespa.com/About-Elections/Pages/Counting-Dashboard.aspx

 

 

[Phoenix Rising]

'This is getting insane': Republicans push back against Trump's false election claims

 

Rep. Adam Kinzinger, R-Ill:

""We want every vote counted, yes every legal vote (of course). But, if you have legit concerns about fraud present EVIDENCE and take it to court. STOP Spreading debunked misinformation," he wrote. "This is getting insane."

[onthedarkside]

This is what the Secretary of State's website is showing for Arizona right now:

https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0

 

AP appears to be using slightly older tallies:

 

Google search result source

 

[Phoenix Rising]

10 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

This is what the Secretary of State's website is showing for Arizona right now:

https://results.arizona.vote/#/featured/18/0

 

AP appears to be using slightly older tallies:

 

Google search result source

 

And CNN has the exact same figures as Sec State. Funny how the vilified MSM again shows that they're mainstream for a reason; they're sane and mostly correct.

 

[onthedarkside]

A post with unsourced and unsubstantiated election fraud claims has been removed. Continue posting unsourced and unsubstantiated claims, and you will face a suspension.

 

[ChouDoufu]

29 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

This is what I'm seeing for Pennsylvania as of 1 pm TH time. The final Nov. 6 deadline in Pennsylvania will be about 16 hours from now. Lots of mail-in ballots not yet tallied into the results:

 

(charts take up space, waste pixels)

 

 

not final.  military and overseas ballots can still be tallied if they arrive by tuesday, nov 10.

 

normally the numbers would be irrelevant, but if the final provisional tally on nov 06 is tight enough for a recount, the last few batches could be decisive.

[Phoenix Rising]

Georgia: trump down to a 1267 lead and that number keeps going down.

Edited November 6, 2020 by Phoenix Rising

[cmarshall]

4 minutes ago, ChouDoufu said:

 

not final.  military and overseas ballots can still be tallied if they arrive by tuesday, nov 10.

 

normally the numbers would be irrelevant, but if the final provisional tally on nov 06 is tight enough for a recount, the last few batches could be decisive.

As I understand it, PA will count all mail-in ballots that arrive by Nov. 6, but that doesn't mean that they actually have to be counted by the 6th.  

 

 

[onthedarkside]

12 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

Georgia: trump down to a 1267 lead and that number keeps going down.

 

 

From a few hours ago from the Georgia Sec of State:

 

Quote

 

With counting continuing in numerous counties throughout Georgia, Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger said that as of 10:35 p.m. today [Thursday, Georgia time] there are approximately 14,097 ballots still outstanding.

 

• Clayton County: 4,355
• Cobb County: 700
• Floyd County: 444
• Forsyth County: 1,545
• Gwinnett County: 4,800
• Laurens County: 1,797
• Taylor County: 456

 

“Officials in numerous counties are continuing to count ballots, with strong security protocols in place to protect the integrity of our election,” said Raffensperger. “We have long anticipated – and said publicly – that counting would most likely take place into Wednesday night and perhaps Thursday morning. We’re on pace to accomplish that responsibly, ensuring that the voice of every eligible voter is heard. It’s important to act quickly, but it’s more important to get it right.”

 

https://sos.ga.gov/index.php/elections/with_14097_votes_out_officials_focused_on_getting_it_right

 

https://results.enr.clarityelections.com/GA/105369/web.264614/#/summary

 

[ChouDoufu]

10 minutes ago, cmarshall said:

As I understand it, PA will count all mail-in ballots that arrive by Nov. 6, but that doesn't mean that they actually have to be counted by the 6th.  

 

 

sure, they have until december 08 to finalize the totals and certify the results, but in the current environment i'm sure they will make every effort to count all ballots received on the 6th as they arrive in real time live streamed for all to see.

[Jeffr2]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

USPS data shows thousands of mailed ballots missed Election Day deadlines

The Postal Service ignored a federal judge’s order to sweep processing plants on Tuesday after more than 300,000 scanned ballots could not be traced.

[Sujo]

Police uncover plot to attack counting station in philly.

 

https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-convention-center-attack-plot-pa-election-2020/7689932/

[Thingamabob]

Not a Trump fan but I reckon, given all the circumstances, he's fought a tremendous campaign to register nearly 70 million votes.

[onthedarkside]

7 minutes ago, Sujo said:

Police uncover plot to attack counting station in philly.

 

https://6abc.com/pennsylvania-convention-center-attack-plot-pa-election-2020/7689932/

 

From that same AP article on the general subject of vote counting:

 

Quote

Counting for votes received by Nov. 3 was continuing, but roughly 20 states allow ballots to be counted if postmarked by Nov. 3 but received in the days after. In some states that is as long as nine days, or even longer. Some of the deadline changes were made as a result of the pandemic, but others are just routine parts of state election laws. Trump has fixated on Pennsylvania, where the Supreme Court refused to stop a court's ruling that allowed for a three-day extension.

 

[Thingamabob]

18 hours ago, welovesundaysatspace said:

Good, so they can get counted. That’s what should happen with votes, no? 

As you say, so they can get counted, but it sure doesn't look good.

[sucit]

The only fully legit gripe at this point is the polling. 

 

Newt Gingrich came on tv and accused Biden of fraud and cited no specifics. It has gotten laughable. How can you accuse a campaign of fraud and not even cite evidence? Photos, witnesses? They are just saying things. 

[Redline]

December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States
 

His is the actual end of the election 

[onthedarkside]

46 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2020/11/03/election-ballot-delays-usps/

USPS data shows thousands of mailed ballots missed Election Day deadlines

The Postal Service ignored a federal judge’s order to sweep processing plants on Tuesday after more than 300,000 scanned ballots could not be traced.

 

 

From the article you posted:

 

Quote

 

In 28 states, election officials must receive ballots by the end of Election Day to be counted.
 

Voting and postal experts say the mail agency should be able to process 97 percent of incoming ballots — or completed ballots sent to election officials. But data shows the Postal Service missed that mark seven out of eight days. And in the five days ending Monday, processing scores dropped, from 97.1 percent to 89.6 percent on Monday.

 

That sounds like a lot of legally voted and submitted ballots that may not have made it to the various election authorities before their counts closed -- to the extent they were in any of those 28 states with hard Election Day cutoffs for mail-in ballots.

 

 

[simple1]

6 minutes ago, onthedarkside said:

 

 

From the article you posted:

 

That sounds like a lot of legally voted and submitted ballots that may not have made it to the various election authorities before their counts closed -- to the extent they were in any of those 28 states with hard Election Day cutoffs for mail-in ballots.

 

 

 

One wonders whether the USPS CEO has collaborated with the trump administration to enable fraud by way of slowing down distribution of postal votes for processing. IMO if any fraud / corruption is identified it would be by USPS. at CEO level.

[cmarshall]

34 minutes ago, Redline said:

December 14, 2020: Electors Vote in Their States
 

His is the actual end of the election 

 

Nope.  The election actually occurs on Jan. 6 when the new Congress accepts the result of the Dec. 14 voting by the electors in their respective states.  Although rare, there have been cases when the Congress rejected the votes of some electors even to the point of flipping the election.  Only then does the fat lady sing.  

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Thingamabob said:

Not a Trump fan but I reckon, given all the circumstances, he's fought a tremendous campaign to register nearly 70 million votes.

Are you kidding? Not a Trump fan? How many times did you post support for Trump in response to any post critical of Trump. Revisionist much?

https://forum.thaivisa.com/topic/1159617-trump-says-he-is-halting-world-health-organization-funding-over-handling-of-coronavirus/page/8/

 

[newnative]

22 minutes ago, sucit said:

The only fully legit gripe at this point is the polling. 

 

Newt Gingrich came on tv and accused Biden of fraud and cited no specifics. It has gotten laughable. How can you accuse a campaign of fraud and not even cite evidence? Photos, witnesses? They are just saying things. 

     Yes, it's gotten laughable.   And, yes, they're always 'just saying things'.  Mostly lies.   That's always Trump's game plan.  Say lies over and over and over again and eventually some will believe the lies.  Maybe an unqualified nitwit Trump-appointed judge.  He started early months ago with voter mail fraud lies while providing not a bit of evidence.   Quite the contrary--investigations have proved that mail-in voting is safe.  There's nothing new here--just more mail-in voting going on due to the pandemic.  Even before the pandemic more voting was being done by mail each election.  Five states allow all elections to be conducted by mail.   (Trump, himself, always voted by mail until this year--it was perfectly ok for him to vote by mail until it suddenly wasn't ok with his phony  lying voter fraud game plan.)

     All this stems from Trump's surprising and  brutally honest statement that if you make voting easy, no Republican will ever win elective office in America again.  Just as an aside, that's rather a sharp condemnation of the Republican party.  Trump thinks (rightly) that it's not offering anything, at least at the Presidential level, that would appeal to the majority of the American voters.  That's actually supported  quite strongly by the recent popular vote totals for President, including this one.  Twice now Trump, and the Republican party,  have not offered anything that would appeal to the majority of the voters for President.

     So, for a Republican to win the Presidency, the vote must be suppressed as much as possible.  Voting must be as difficult as possible, rather than easy, as it should be.  Voting by mail--easier than standing in line for hours at a too scarce polling place--should be made suspect as much as possible.  Hence, all Trump's voting lies, which greatly harm the whole process..   When people still manage to vote and the vote doesn't go his way, the spoiled lying crybaby is on to the courts--where, hopefully, he will be laughed out.  

       

[Phoenix Rising]

And now down to 463 (CNN).

[LawrenceN]

21 hours ago, RichardColeman said:

Good luck to our American friends paying their rent soon

 

Oh, no! Whatever shall I do? The $ is hovering between 30.99 and 30.79, like it always does. Pour me a cold one. 

[Berkshire]

16 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

And now down to 463 (CNN).

If Biden takes Georgia, Fox News will have to give the Presidency to Biden as they've already given him Arizona.  Will be interesting. 

[Jingthing]

2 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

If Biden takes Georgia, Fox News will have to give the Presidency to Biden as they've already given him Arizona.  Will be interesting. 

I think Pennsylvania will probably be called before Georgia so they won't have to face that problem. With Pennsylvania Biden doesn’t need Arizona.

[Phoenix Rising]

Biden takes the lead in Georgia!  Biden up 917.

 

Source:CNN

Edited November 6, 2020 by Phoenix Rising