6 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah that’s true but once the numbers are irrefutable Biden should be able to take his position as president elect.
 

Pointless waiting for trump to concede, not going to happen. 

 

It takes class to do that.

Yes but my point is that Biden has already won and networks decision to delay the call gives oxygen to 45s desperate effort to deligitimize the Biden presidency.

10 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes but my point is that Biden has already won and networks decision to delay the call gives oxygen to 45s desperate effort to deligitimize the Biden presidency.

I like to think of it as prolonging his discomfort.

17 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yes but my point is that Biden has already won and networks decision to delay the call gives oxygen to 45s desperate effort to deligitimize the Biden presidency.

Yeah, I see your point and I don’t disagree with you, but I also understand my Biden and to a certain extent the media, is acting as he is. 

There is a very slight chance that Trump could still win. But the way I see it, its not over till the fat man squeals.

 

Source: Associated Press.

biden makes gerald ford look very smart..be very afraid of US enemies becoming more problematical for the us pres in future

19 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

I like to think of it as prolonging his discomfort.

I don't see it that way. It gives his craziness more air. 

13 minutes ago, bunnydrops said:

There is a very slight chance that Trump could still win. But the way I see it, its not over till the fat man squeals.

No chance via the votes determining the electoral college because Biden has Pennsylvania wrapped up with a pretty Philly cheese steak on top.

11 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

https://www.businessinsider.com/trump-legal-troubles-possible-indictment-doj-mueller-new-york-2020-11

 

Legal problems galore await Trump now that he's lost reelection — and, soon, his presidential immunity

hope the 2 boys and Ivanka are on the same line of legal troubles

7 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

biden makes gerald ford look very smart..be very afraid of US enemies becoming more problematical for the us pres in future

He's slower than before nobody is denying that but he's smart and experienced enough to organize an incredibly effective cabinet. I am worried about the transition period though. Definitely a vacuum now and an opportunity for enemies.

1 minute ago, Jingthing said:

He's slower than before nobody is denying that but he's smart and experienced enough to organize an incredibly effective cabinet. I am worried about the transition period though. Definitely a vacuum now and an opportunity for enemies.

am with you on that, still a long way till Jan 20..... he can resign and have Pence pardon him and walk free

11 minutes ago, 3NUMBAS said:

biden makes gerald ford look very smart..be very afraid of US enemies becoming more problematical for the us pres in future

Trump is even more powerful than Gerald Ford: next to him anybody looks sane.

12 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

am with you on that, still a long way till Jan 20..... he can resign and have Pence pardon him and walk free

For federal crimes, not state.

2 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Not so evident, you believe he is the worst person you have ever listened too. and thus, as I do support him, I am then deemed in your opinion to being a danger to society. As I have no "skin in this game" being an overseas observer, I have found his speeches a bit dis-jointed but heartfelt patriotic to the U.S.A.

Wasn't Comey supposed to take Trump out? Wasn't Mueller after his failure? Nancy with her impeachment? 

Beyond a joke.

D J Trump met with Rocketman, and eased the nuclear clock, D J Trump met with Xi Jinping and temporarily eased  the tension.

D J Trump told  NATO allies they need to start contributing equally, D J Trump reiterated the need for a hard border between the USA and Mexico as it was open gateway for illegal immigrants.

 

Wish USA all the best for the future, however the horizon looks bleak.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Thanks for the intelligent differing view. I would love to engage you in a on list of my disbarring trump events and specific policy and stands this clown has spewed. Consider my offer to go deep into this. Having no dog in this fight I see your pick and choose  and that is not a reliable messaging. 

3 minutes ago, earlinclaifornia said:

Thanks for the intelligent differing view. I would love to engage you in a on list of my disbarring trump events and specific policy and stands this clown has spewed. Consider my offer to go deep into this. Having no dog in this fight I see your pick and choose  and that is not a reliable messaging. 

Its only dog whistles for them now. Come the result will be a few leaving the forum.

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Why is it taking so long for Joe to declare victory?  Is there a problem?  ????

No there isent a problem unless you think integrate ,facts ,decorum ,decency ,and class are a problem 

Rupert Murdoch-owned conservative media outlets in the United States, including Fox News, the Wall Street Journal and the New York Post, began saying “if and when” a Trump loss becomes clear he should preserve his “legacy” by showing grace in defeat.

 

Reporting from today's Guardian live feed.

 

 

 

 

Watch Sunday Night , The Trumpers will be Snoozing and they will announce, BIDEN Winner  , it’s so the country doesn’t go into Civil War by The Losers of The Election 

3 hours ago, Kelsall said:

Why is it taking so long for Joe to declare victory?  Is there a problem?  ????

If you flip an egg before it's ready, you ruin the meal.  Joe has intelligence and knows how to show patience rather than paper tiger braggadocio. Joe already has Secret Service protection reserved for a president elect.  Even Murdoch told 45 he has a 98% chance of losing. It's all over but the crying.

1 hour ago, 3NUMBAS said:

biden makes gerald ford look very smart..be very afraid of US enemies becoming more problematical for the us pres in future

Well, he’s got the better of Trump.

 

Just sayin.

A post with derogatory candidate nickname calling has been removed, as will any other future candidate name calling posts.  They have actual names -- use them.

 

When are they gonna call this Kamala Harris presidency anyway?

28 minutes ago, J Town said:

If you flip an egg before it's ready, you ruin the meal.  Joe has intelligence and knows how to show patience rather than paper tiger braggadocio. Joe already has Secret Service protection reserved for a president elect.  Even Murdoch told 45 he has a 98% chance of losing. It's all over but the crying.

Speaking of crying anyone heard a peep out of Cryingdick. She and I have  bet on this election. Choosing a flowering trump avatar can anyone help?

1 hour ago, Jingthing said:

He's slower than before nobody is denying that but he's smart and experienced enough to organize an incredibly effective cabinet. I am worried about the transition period though. Definitely a vacuum now and an opportunity for enemies.

I am not a US citizen, but I have always admired the many checks and balances that the founders (With possibly some later amendments?) built into the constitution. Unfortunately your Electoral college system mirrors our UK  FPTP stupidity, and the Senate gives too much power, to a small number of people, in States that contribute too little to US PLC (I understand that it was a necessary compromise at the time). 

 

One thing that I will never understand though is why there is a 2 1/2 month gap between election and taking power. Asking for trouble, as should have been obvious I would have thought. 

3 hours ago, Paul Catton said:

Not so evident, you believe he is the worst person you have ever listened too. and thus, as I do support him, I am then deemed in your opinion to being a danger to society. As I have no "skin in this game" being an overseas observer, I have found his speeches a bit dis-jointed but heartfelt patriotic to the U.S.A.

Wasn't Comey supposed to take Trump out? Wasn't Mueller after his failure? Nancy with her impeachment? 

Beyond a joke.

D J Trump met with Rocketman, and eased the nuclear clock, D J Trump met with Xi Jinping and temporarily eased  the tension.

D J Trump told  NATO allies they need to start contributing equally, D J Trump reiterated the need for a hard border between the USA and Mexico as it was open gateway for illegal immigrants.

 

Wish USA all the best for the future, however the horizon looks bleak.  

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

What you say is quite true. However, Trump also stokes racial hatred, demeans women, and separates children from their parents. He insults and belittles anyone who disagrees with him. His contempt for science has resulted in thousands of preventable deaths during the pandemic, where he has admitted the risk was deliberately downplayed. America is the basket case of coronavirus nations. His support of the fossil fuel industry will come home to roost, American shale oil producers are drowning in debt.

Dr. Samuel Johnson said patriotism is the last refuge of the scoundrel. I guess whether one admires or loathes Trump comes down to the values they hold dear.

I like this photo from today's Daily Telegraph.

 

Newspapers in the UK don't come much more right wing than the DT.

 

 

 

 

21 minutes ago, sucit said:

When are they gonna call this Kamala Harris presidency anyway?

Are you sweating on it.

14 hours ago, Salerno said:

 

The gift that just keeps giving; has a US President ever had his passport withheld due to being a flight risk?

May criminals have a passport? Not in the US, right? Time to revoke his passport. 

14 minutes ago, In the jungle said:

I like this photo from today's Daily Telegraph.

 

Newspapers in the UK don't come much more right wing than the DT.

 

 

 

 

It's time to exit Mr. Trump.

4 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   Trump seems to get a mention in nearly every thread on TVF ,  usually on the first page ' haven't you noticed ?

So does 'Red Bull Boss'. Yay- I managed to get him in this thread as well.????