Trump fires defense secretary Esper in post-election reckoning after public policy clashes

[Jingthing]

3 hours ago, Fat is a type of crazy said:

I think Trump just wants to come across as Boss man in charge of his world. That's why he's being seen to be  playing golf as though he hasn't got a care in the world and partly why he'll sack some people like this. 

I actually think it could be much more serious than that. While I don't think he will be able to cling onto power defying the awesome credibility of Biden's win in both the electoral college tally and popular votes, from Mr. Trump's POV this is his entire world crashing in around him.

 

His presidency. 

His massive power.

The adoring crowds of fans enjoying his rallies of worship for he who always wins.

Doesn't work for a loser.

His family business. 

His family brand. 

His fortune. Debts called in that he can't pay.

His very freedom in the need to possibly face multiple felony criminal charges without the shield of the presidency.

 

Yes in my opinion we're  at risk of the entire country being torn apart for the self interest of one toxcally narcissistic man. Civil wars have been started for less.

Edited November 10, 2020 by Jingthing

[Berkshire]

2 hours ago, J Town said:

WHO in their right mind would hire White House press secretary Kayleigh McEnany after this (unless they need a new guest on that show "To Tell The Truth" where the best liars win)?

55555....Kayleigh is a professional liar of the highest order.  Even Fox News had to cut her off in mid-lie when she was spewing crazy election fraud nonsense...

 

[Fox News cut off Kayleigh McEnany, President Trump's press secretary, on Monday as she pushed unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud in the 2020 election.]

["I can't in good countenance continue to show you this," the Fox News anchor Neil Cavuto said as he cut off the press conference.]

[There is no evidence of mass voter fraud in the election, and Trump was defeated by President-elect Joe Biden.]

 

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/fox-news-cut-away-from-trump-s-press-secretary-as-she-pushed-baseless-claims-of-election-fraud/ar-BB1aQsDe?ocid=wispr

 

As for future employment, I think she would fit perfectly as Vlad's mouthpiece...if she can speak Russian. 

[bronzedude]

We're changing the phrase from "Don't be a Dick" to "Don't be a Don."

[bendejo]

3 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

As for future employment, I think she would fit perfectly as Vlad's mouthpiece...if she can speak Russian. 

 

Any of these people can go to Fox or the few other such networks (I'm not going to promote them my naming them).  DT will either go with one of them or start his own. 

I'm impressed by Cavuto's show of cojones (hey, get your mind out of the gutter!), or perhaps it was his producer's call.

Miz Kayleigh was on Fox before this job, there is a clip somewhere of what can be considered her audition vid, sucking up to the orange guy in a most disgusting display.  I hope she goes to RT.

 

 

[Caldera]

How cute, Little Donald gets to play Big Boss for another 2 months. Enjoy it while it lasts, your New York prison cell will be far less fun.

[Proboscis]

Being fired by Donald Trump, especially for refusing to put American troops onto the streets (when it was completely unnecessary) is likely to improve the prospects of this person and make him famous. I put this in the same category as the billboards in New York over which Ivanka and her husband wanted to sue, even though they told the truth about them. Suddenly, having been read by only a few hundred thousand New Yorkers, the headlines were now read all across America.

[4MyEgo]

Judging by the way the stock markets have reacted over the last couple of days, up, up, up and away, I couldn't give a rats a$$, just keep climbing, Trump, Biden, who cares, politicians are all in it for themselves and if anyone thinks any different they need their heads read, as for me, I am up front about it, it's about me, me and me.

[wwest5829]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it.

 

https://apnews.com/article/when-do-electoral-votes-need-to-be-in-970e6b8c8474c77ac6ab4fb0d56caa5b

Electoral College electors in each state don’t vote until Dec. 14. The electors’ votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

You can have your opinion ... but that is all it is. The rest of the world continues ...

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, Opl said:

"This Administration is running like a fine-tuned machine" 

If the machine were programmed to self-destruct.

[wwest5829]

5 hours ago, luckyluke said:

If I understand correctly,  there is no official winner till a certain date;

but historically it is accepted as such, nationally and internationally, when the results are proclaimed. 

Just a bit of history. Trump when he won the Electoral College vote in 2016 became the 5th man to occupy the WhaiteHouse without receiving the majority of the popular vote. The previous one was George Bush and involved "hanging chads" in Florida, as I recall. The three previous to Bush were all in the 1800s.

[Jeffr2]

Just what the US needs.  No SecDef during the transition.  I'm sure Russia, China and Iran are very happy about this.

 

What a horrible leader.  The virus is raging and he does this...oh...and wants to hold more rallies.

[whaleboneman]

2 hours ago, Jingthing said:

I actually think it could be much more serious than that. While I don't think he will be able to cling onto power defying the awesome credibility of Biden's win in both the electoral college tally and popular votes, from Mr. Trump's POV this is his entire world crashing in around him.

 

His presidency. 

His massive power.

The adoring crowds of fans enjoying his rallies of worship for he who always wins.

Doesn't work for a loser.

His family business. 

His family brand. 

His fortune. Debts called in that he can't pay.

His very freedom in the need to possibly face multiple felony criminal charges without the shield of the presidency.

 

Yes in my opinion we're  at risk of the entire country being torn apart for the self interest of one toxcally narcissistic man. Civil wars have been started for less.

Hey Jingthing - I think you forgot one - His wife.

[johnnybangkok]

6 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it.

 

https://apnews.com/article/when-do-electoral-votes-need-to-be-in-970e6b8c8474c77ac6ab4fb0d56caa5b

Electoral College electors in each state don’t vote until Dec. 14. The electors’ votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

As has been pointed out to you many, many times before,  you are entitled to your own opinion; you're just not entitled to your own facts. And the facts are Biden has secured enough of the popular vote as well as the crucial Electral College vote to be assured of the White House come January. No amount of frivilous lawsuits and unsubstantiated claims of voter fraud is going to change that fact and no amount of delaying the inevitable is going to change the inevitable.

Your guy lost. Time to start accepting that fact.

No amount of 

[JulesMad]

9 hours ago, webfact said:

he had "terminated" Defense Secretary Mark Esper

Can he not be "terminated" by any means available?!? If trump can "terminate" people, people can "terminate" him as well; the sooner the better!

[ThaiFelix]

10 hours ago, webfact said:

"Dismissing politically appointed national security leaders during a transition is a destabilizing move that will only embolden our adversaries and put our country at greater risk," Smith said.

I dont care about national security, what about ME??

[PattayaJames]

10 hours ago, Jingthing said:

The irony is that getting fired by this president especially at this time in his declining career can easily be seen as a positive for those fired. Reports are that understandably white house staff are looking for new jobs. There is something called the "Trump stain" that they will carry for the rest of their lives that will hurt their future chances. Getting fired by him goes at least a little way to cleaning that stain. 

 

This would be part of the uniting and healing that we are hearing so much about then. 

[ExpatOilWorker]

This is how a real President bow out.

 

[RocketDog]

13 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it.

 

https://apnews.com/article/when-do-electoral-votes-need-to-be-in-970e6b8c8474c77ac6ab4fb0d56caa5b

Electoral College electors in each state don’t vote until Dec. 14. The electors’ votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

I agree.

Regardless of the apparent reality of the weather swirling around me I refuse to accept hurricanes or tornadoes until they have been officially announced by a stable genius whom I have blind faith in. 

 

I'm a stickler for truth and facts first, which is why I've always taken my news only directly from Trump tweets. Hell, I don't really accept word from the National Weather Service (or the AP News Service) until it's verified, with a sharpie in his hand, by my fearless leader on a map in the oval office. 

 

I'm kinda a purist I guess. IMO somebody has to stand up for The Truth. We are the few, the proud, the delusional. 

 

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[RocketDog]

25 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

This would be part of the uniting and healing that we are hearing so much about then. 

Truth. 

For anybody who has ever doubted it, trump's actions should now demonstrate the childish immaturity and rampant egotism that make him unfit for public service at any level, including Village Idiot.  

 

Seriously, would you trust a Village Idiot who told you he was a genius? 

 

[earlinclaifornia]

12 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it.

 

https://apnews.com/article/when-do-electoral-votes-need-to-be-in-970e6b8c8474c77ac6ab4fb0d56caa5b

Electoral College electors in each state don’t vote until Dec. 14. The electors’ votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

To quote Republicans for four years of the rhetoric "Get over it"

[johnnybangkok]

3 hours ago, PattayaJames said:

 

This would be part of the uniting and healing that we are hearing so much about then. 

You are trying desperately to find some sort of antagonism, gloating or derogatory statements (possibly as a reflection of your own behavious over the last 4 years) but are struggling to do so. As far as I can see, the vast majority of Biden fans (or anti-Trump people) posting on this site have just expressed relief and gratitude that the nightmare of the last 4 years is finally over and no amount of you trying to stir up an argument is going to change that.

Jingthing only commented that getting fired by Trump may not do a persons career too much harm (a very valid point). That's all. Nothing too harsh, nothing particularly upsetting but you are infering in a particiularly sarcastic manner that this is somehow not 'uniting and healing'.

Let it go. Please.

 

Edited November 10, 2020 by johnnybangkok

[PattayaJames]

5 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

You are trying desperately to find some sort of antagonism, gloating or derogatory statements (possibly as a reflection of your own behavious over the last 4 years) but are struggling to do so. As far as I can see, the vast majority of Biden fans (or anti-Trump people) posting on this site have just expressed relief and gratitude that the nightmare of the last 4 years is finally over and no amount of you trying to stir up an argument is going to change that.

Jingthing only commented that getting fired by Trump may not do a persons career too much harm (a very valid point). That's all. Nothing too harsh, nothing particularly upsetting but you are infering in a particiularly sarcastic manner that this is somehow not 'uniting and healing'.

Let it go. Please.

 

Absolute tosh.

The knives are very much out for Trump and his supporters.

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6 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Absolute tosh.

The knives are very much out for Trump and his supporters.

How so?

[johnnybangkok]

7 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Absolute tosh.

The knives are very much out for Trump and his supporters.

For Trump perhaps (he has got a lot to answer for after all) but not neccessarily his supporters. There's a realisation that over 70 million Americans still thought he was the best bet for another 4 years and that has to be addressed at some point. That realisation will require careful thought and understanding as you can't write off 70 million people as all right wing conspiracy theorists and red-knecks.

It would help though if people like yourself were not quite so sensative to any justifiable criticism and also understand that your man has indeed lost and it's now time to move on.

[placeholder]

12 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

For Trump perhaps (he has got a lot to answer for after all) but not neccessarily his supporters. There's a realisation that over 70 million Americans still thought he was the best bet for another 4 years and that has to be addressed at some point. That realisation will require careful thought and understanding as you can't write off 70 million people as all right wing conspiracy theorists and red-knecks.

It would help though if people like yourself were not quite so sensative to any justifiable criticism and also understand that your man has indeed lost and it's now time to move on.

I think that most of these people still believe that Joe Biden dismissed that prosecutor in Ukraine to protect his son despite the huge amounts of evidence that disprove it and the lack of it that says otherwise. I see repeated references to the billion dollars that Hunter Biden got out of China.  I wonder how many now believe in a supercomputer that has corrupted the elections. No one is ever going to convince these people otherwise. Keep in mind that lots of them believed that Obama was born in Kenya and wasn't really elegible to be President. Lots still do. And they voted for the guy who led that ridiculous movement for quite a while. In fact, they voted twice for him, Twice!

Edited November 10, 2020 by placeholder

[PattayaJames]

1 minute ago, johnnybangkok said:

For Trump perhaps (he has got a lot to answer for after all) but not neccessarily his supporters. There's a realisation that over 70 million Americans still thought he was the best bet for another 4 years and that has to be addressed at some point. That realisation will require careful thought and understanding as you can't write off 70 million people as all right wing conspiracy theorists and red-knecks.

It would help though if people like yourself were not quite so sensative to any justifiable criticism and also understand that your man has indeed lost and it's now time to move on.

 

Not necessarily his supporters. Oh your too forgiving.

So sorry for being too sensitive to your justifiable criticisms. 

After the last 4 years, you now want sweetness and light. You are deluded.

 

 

 

 

[johnnybangkok]

6 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Not necessarily his supporters. Oh your too forgiving.

So sorry for being too sensitive to your justifiable criticisms. 

After the last 4 years, you now want sweetness and light. You are deluded.

 

 

 

 

Ok fair enough. We know where you stand.

[Sujo]

28 minutes ago, PattayaJames said:

 

Not necessarily his supporters. Oh your too forgiving.

So sorry for being too sensitive to your justifiable criticisms. 

After the last 4 years, you now want sweetness and light. You are deluded.

 

 

 

 

At least you know you lost.

[PattayaJames]

9 minutes ago, Sujo said:

At least you know you lost.

I lost????

[Dumbastheycome]

14 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Biden hasn't won, IMO, till the electoral college says he has and congress announces it.

 

https://apnews.com/article/when-do-electoral-votes-need-to-be-in-970e6b8c8474c77ac6ab4fb0d56caa5b

Electoral College electors in each state don’t vote until Dec. 14. The electors’ votes typically align with the popular vote in each state. But not all states require the votes cast by electors to mirror the popular vote. Certificates recording the electoral vote results in each state must be received by the president of the Senate and the archivist no later than Dec. 23.

The official results of the electoral votes are sent to the new elected Congress, which is set to meet in a joint session on Jan. 6, 2021, and announce the results.

Give it   a rest !  The  technicalities  are redundant in the  face of the  reality.

People  ensconced in a Nanny State environment  who propound the  virtues of a malingering  wannabe  Dictator  get boring  in the insistence of  bitterness derived  from personal outcomes regardless of self infliction  or that which  life  serves  up. Trump  has  never experienced  the  normality of the  vast  majority so has  no capacity  or  willingness to  acknowledge anything  but satisfaction derived  from the  delusional adulation he infects his sycophants with.

his  sycophants  with !