Calls to ban smoking in condominiums in Thailand

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Calls to ban smoking in condominiums in Thailand

 

Picture: Thai Rath

 

Leading academics have called for a total ban on smoking in all condominium buildings.

 

Following the findings of a survey they believe that stopping smoking by law would be better for everyone's health and save money.

 

A survey was carried out that asked 1,204 people living in condos a series of questions from September to October this year.

 

Respondents were 15% smokers and 85% who didn't smoke, indicated Dr Sasithorn Theptrakunporn a health scientist at Thammasat University.

 

Of the smokers 48% went on their balconies to light up. 

 

A total of 89% agreed with a smoking ban in condo buildings. 

 

Some 77% of people said they felt ill when they had to suffer people's second hand smoke. 

 

Dr Sasithorn said that the findings of the survey should lead to a change in the law to forbid smoking.

 

 

Dr Niphawan Kangsakunniti, a health expert at Mahidol University agreed saying that residue from smoke coated carpets, curtains and clothes and was particularly dangerous for children still crawling who would put things in their mouths. 

 

They could die suddenly due to smokers because of the tendency to put things in their mouths. 

 

She said there are 7,000 deadly substances in cigarettes and 70 carcinogens. 

 

Smoking represented a clear danger to the elderly too. 

 

Dr Niphawan agreed with a smoking ban in condominiums saying it would be better for everyone's health and cheaper. 

 

Such bans in the United States showed five billion baht could be saved from cleaning bills and reduced fire hazard.

 

Source: Thai Rath

 

 

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[scammed]

i'd say thailand has completed westernization process,

applauds ????

Edited November 26, 2020 by scammed

[quake]

i'm sure somchai will take notice of this. 

[Samui Bodoh]

I was a smoker for around 35 years, and quit just under three years ago. 

 

Ban smoking in Condos? Hell yes!

 

Ten Reasons to Quit Smoking (in no special order)

 

1. You won't smell anymore. Apologies, but there is no polite way to put it; smokers stink. They smell. They reek. Their breath smells like an ashtray. Their clothes are foul and gross. They leave a putrid miasma in every room they occupy.
2. You will regain your sense of smell and taste. It is truly an amazing thing; I lived and/or visited Thailand for more than 25 years, but after I quit smoking, Thai food became twice as good. Seriously, twice as good!
3. You won't look like a dried-up lizard. Smoking makes your face/skin look old; quitting smoking means putting 'lizard-ness' off for a decade or two.
4. If you quit smoking, you don't have to listen to people like me, your spouse, your kids, your friends and complete strangers telling how smoking is bad for you. Wouldn't it be nice if we all shut up? If you didn't have to hear us?
5. It is easier to pull/keep chicks. Simply put, it is easier to pull and/or keep a hot chick as a non-smoker rather than as a smoker. Nuff' said.
6. You won't get sick as often. Yes, I know, perhaps smoking helps with c-19 and perhaps it doesn't. But, a non-smoker will catch fewer flus, colds, infections, etc. than a smoker; it is a scientific fact.
7. You won't hurt those around you. Second-hand smoke kills about 50,000 people a year and damages the health of many, many, many more; don't you want to stop hurting your wife? Your kids? Your friends? Your neighbours? Strangers on the road?
8. You'll have more breath. Smokers; when was the last time you climbed three flights of stairs without panting or wheezing? Without some shortness of breath? Without stopping for a sec to catch your breath at the top?
9. Money. Cigarettes are expensive and you get nothing (literally nothing) for your money. One example; by quitting when I did, I saved approximately 190,000 Baht. What would you do with an extra 190,000 Baht? Whooo-Hoooo!
10. Impotence. It is a medical fact that smoking reduces the lead in your pencil. Further, it is also medical fact that the more you smoke, the more the lead in your pencil is reduced. Simple question; what's better? Smoking or sex? If you chose sex (and you really should have), then it is time to quit.

 

And a bonus #11; you won't be an addict anymore. Being an addict, whether it is Nicotine, Yaba, Alcohol, Opioids, Meth, Heroin, Crack, or anything else, diminishes a person.

 

If you quit smoking, you'll be a better person to be around, your sensations and pleasures will improve, your health and appearance will be better, you'll do better with the girls, you'll have stamina again, you'll save huge amounts of money, and your sex life will improve.

 

If you keep smoking, your stink will drive people away, you won't enjoy food and drink as much, your health will decline, you will become 'Lizard-like', hot girls will laugh at you and throw rocks, you'll be awful in the sack, you'll be poorer and no woman will want you.

 

Ban smoking everywhere!

 

 

[robblok]

In the condo they rent or own people should be allowed to smoke. Common area's its debatable. But to prohibit people from smoking in their own condo is crazy.

[quake]

8 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I was a smoker for around 35 years, and quit just under three years ago. 

 

Ban smoking in Condos? Hell yes!

 

Ten Reasons to Quit Smoking (in no special order)

 

1. You won't smell anymore. Apologies, but there is no polite way to put it; smokers stink. They smell. They reek. Their breath smells like an ashtray. Their clothes are foul and gross. They leave a putrid miasma in every room they occupy.
2. You will regain your sense of smell and taste. It is truly an amazing thing; I lived and/or visited Thailand for more than 25 years, but after I quit smoking, Thai food became twice as good. Seriously, twice as good!
3. You won't look like a dried-up lizard. Smoking makes your face/skin look old; quitting smoking means putting 'lizard-ness' off for a decade or two.
4. If you quit smoking, you don't have to listen to people like me, your spouse, your kids, your friends and complete strangers telling how smoking is bad for you. Wouldn't it be nice if we all shut up? If you didn't have to hear us?
5. It is easier to pull/keep chicks. Simply put, it is easier to pull and/or keep a hot chick as a non-smoker rather than as a smoker. Nuff' said.
6. You won't get sick as often. Yes, I know, perhaps smoking helps with c-19 and perhaps it doesn't. But, a non-smoker will catch fewer flus, colds, infections, etc. than a smoker; it is a scientific fact.
7. You won't hurt those around you. Second-hand smoke kills about 50,000 people a year and damages the health of many, many, many more; don't you want to stop hurting your wife? Your kids? Your friends? Your neighbours? Strangers on the road?
8. You'll have more breath. Smokers; when was the last time you climbed three flights of stairs without panting or wheezing? Without some shortness of breath? Without stopping for a sec to catch your breath at the top?
9. Money. Cigarettes are expensive and you get nothing (literally nothing) for your money. One example; by quitting when I did, I saved approximately 190,000 Baht. What would you do with an extra 190,000 Baht? Whooo-Hoooo!
10. Impotence. It is a medical fact that smoking reduces the lead in your pencil. Further, it is also medical fact that the more you smoke, the more the lead in your pencil is reduced. Simple question; what's better? Smoking or sex? If you chose sex (and you really should have), then it is time to quit.

 

And a bonus #11; you won't be an addict anymore. Being an addict, whether it is Nicotine, Yaba, Alcohol, Opioids, Meth, Heroin, Crack, or anything else, diminishes a person.

 

If you quit smoking, you'll be a better person to be around, your sensations and pleasures will improve, your health and appearance will be better, you'll do better with the girls, you'll have stamina again, you'll save huge amounts of money, and your sex life will improve.

 

If you keep smoking, your stink will drive people away, you won't enjoy food and drink as much, your health will decline, you will become 'Lizard-like', hot girls will laugh at you and throw rocks, you'll be awful in the sack, you'll be poorer and no woman will want you.

 

Ban smoking everywhere!

 

 

sorry but you have not quit long enough to start lecturing people.

come back in 5 years time.

[ChipButty]

I have some condo's for rent and it's a no smoking building, it's difficult to stop people from smoking they will find a way, they only thing we can do is we have smoke alarms in the condo which are wired to the security office we have it written in the contract set that off it's a 2000 Baht fine, go outside or go on the roof to have a fag.

Not being racist but I have found the Chinese the worst one time a group of them standing outside the reception on the steps all smoking and they just threw the fag ends on the steps, about 6 meters away is a ash tray bin I told them to pick them up and pointed to the bin, There was about 5 taxi drivers standing there and they all thanked me

[WorriedNoodle]

9 minutes ago, robblok said:

But to prohibit people from smoking in their own condo is crazy.

I have a condo and so does the guy next door. Whenever he goes on his balcony for a smoke the stench wafts into all the neighbors condos including mine. It seems reasonable said guy should leave the building for a smoke.

[quake]

Just now, ChipButty said:

I have some condo's for rent and it's a no smoking building, it's difficult to stop people from smoking they will find a way, they only thing we can do is we have smoke alarms in the condo which are wired to the security office we have it written in the contract set that off it's a 2000 Baht fine, go outside or go on the roof to have a fag.

Not being racist but I have found the Chinese the worst one time a group of them standing outside the reception on the steps all smoking and they just threw the fag ends on the steps, about 6 meters away is a ash tray bin I told them to pick them up and pointed to the bin, There was about 5 taxi drivers standing there and they all thanked me

You forgot they also all  gobbed on the floor simultaneously

[Rookiescot]

Biggest problem I had in my condo was a screaming kid about two doors down.

Lets ban kids from condos. 

[ChipButty]

I asked the doctor, if I give up smoking and drinking and have nothing to do with women will I live longer? The Doc replied it will <deleted> seem like it

[OneMoreFarang]

I never smoked in my life. But I had and have friends who smoke. And I go to bars were officially smoking is banned but nobody cares. And I am just fine. Let smokers smoke. Have a little tolerance.

It makes sense that people don't smoke in offices or i.e. a bank. But people who smoke their whole life should be able to go on the balcony or in front of the door or wherever and have a cigarette (of cigar, or pipe).

 

If smoking is soooo bad then make it a crime to sell cigarettes. And maybe also make it a crime to sell alcohol.

And maybe to be sure don't allow any car with more that 50HP or a top speed over 100km/h. 

I am sure there are many other rules and laws which would be for the "benefit" of the people.
Yeah, sure.

 

Enjoy life - and let the smokers enjoy their life.

Most of us have some habits which others don't like. Should all be illegal? Over to you.

[OneMoreFarang]

21 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

I was a smoker for around 35 years, and quit just under three years ago. 

 

Ban smoking in Condos? Hell yes!

 

Ten Reasons to Quit Smoking (in no special order)

 

1. You won't smell anymore. Apologies, but there is no polite way to put it; smokers stink. They smell. They reek. Their breath smells like an ashtray. Their clothes are foul and gross. They leave a putrid miasma in every room they occupy.
2. You will regain your sense of smell and taste. It is truly an amazing thing; I lived and/or visited Thailand for more than 25 years, but after I quit smoking, Thai food became twice as good. Seriously, twice as good!
3. You won't look like a dried-up lizard. Smoking makes your face/skin look old; quitting smoking means putting 'lizard-ness' off for a decade or two.
4. If you quit smoking, you don't have to listen to people like me, your spouse, your kids, your friends and complete strangers telling how smoking is bad for you. Wouldn't it be nice if we all shut up? If you didn't have to hear us?
5. It is easier to pull/keep chicks. Simply put, it is easier to pull and/or keep a hot chick as a non-smoker rather than as a smoker. Nuff' said.
6. You won't get sick as often. Yes, I know, perhaps smoking helps with c-19 and perhaps it doesn't. But, a non-smoker will catch fewer flus, colds, infections, etc. than a smoker; it is a scientific fact.
7. You won't hurt those around you. Second-hand smoke kills about 50,000 people a year and damages the health of many, many, many more; don't you want to stop hurting your wife? Your kids? Your friends? Your neighbours? Strangers on the road?
8. You'll have more breath. Smokers; when was the last time you climbed three flights of stairs without panting or wheezing? Without some shortness of breath? Without stopping for a sec to catch your breath at the top?
9. Money. Cigarettes are expensive and you get nothing (literally nothing) for your money. One example; by quitting when I did, I saved approximately 190,000 Baht. What would you do with an extra 190,000 Baht? Whooo-Hoooo!
10. Impotence. It is a medical fact that smoking reduces the lead in your pencil. Further, it is also medical fact that the more you smoke, the more the lead in your pencil is reduced. Simple question; what's better? Smoking or sex? If you chose sex (and you really should have), then it is time to quit.

 

And a bonus #11; you won't be an addict anymore. Being an addict, whether it is Nicotine, Yaba, Alcohol, Opioids, Meth, Heroin, Crack, or anything else, diminishes a person.

 

If you quit smoking, you'll be a better person to be around, your sensations and pleasures will improve, your health and appearance will be better, you'll do better with the girls, you'll have stamina again, you'll save huge amounts of money, and your sex life will improve.

 

If you keep smoking, your stink will drive people away, you won't enjoy food and drink as much, your health will decline, you will become 'Lizard-like', hot girls will laugh at you and throw rocks, you'll be awful in the sack, you'll be poorer and no woman will want you.

 

Ban smoking everywhere!

 

 

And the worst case are obviously the ex-smokers. 

Get a life!

[ChipButty]

2 minutes ago, quake said:

You forgot they also all  gobbed on the floor simultaneously

Im trying to find a photo I took one night, Its seems they had been using an empty packet as an ashtray and just emptied it out on the floor at the main entrance, I didn't see them do it 

[JonnyF]

I quit years ago and I must confess I hate the smell now and I hate it when people spark up next to me in the pub or bar, especially when I am eating. Have smoking rooms by all means.

 

But people should be free to do what they want in their own condos as long as it doesn't harm others. Too much nanny state mentality creeping in since the coup, I came here to avoid that nonsense. 

 

Oh, and drop the ban on vaping. That's the stupidest thing ever, even by Thailand standards.

[ChipButty]

Them smoking rooms at the airports were the best you didn't need to lite up just sit there and breath it in

[4MyEgo]

32 minutes ago, Samui Bodoh said:

Ban smoking in Condos? Hell yes!

 

Unfortunately you won't see it happening here. hence the reason you still see people smoking in restaurants and toilets at petrol service stations, no one is going to get a fine.

 

I also smoked for about 25 years and quite in the year 2000.

 

Lived in a unit building of 7 units, I was an owner living in the building with 4 other live in owners, 2 were rented and when I returned from a 3 month trip to Thailand, I noticed the foyer was full of cigarette smoke, like a pub was in the old days, there was nowhere for it to escape, the foyer door was closed, I said this is not on, although I let things go for a couple of days then notice new tenants directly below me smoking like chimneys, couldn't even leave my windows of balcony door open, they were chain smokers, real bad, so I jacked up to the other owners with a special meeting made that evening.

 

I got nothing against smokers, I sit next to them at bars, afterall, that is there space too so they have the right to smoke there, it reeks, I duck and weave and move when it really gets up my nose, anyways, all of the live in owners said there is nothing they can do about it as everyone has the right to smoke, I said wrong, when a occupier of another lot (unit) creates a disturbance to another lot (unit) owner then that lot can be issues with a notice to comply, i.e. rectify the disturbance to the lot being disturbed, the other owners basically laughed at my suggestion to issue those tenants with a notice to comply, so I told them that if they didn't agree to me serving the tenant with the notice then I would take the matter to the CCT Consumer Claims Tribunal, which I did, knock, knock, knock and the door, I opened it and the secretary of the owners corporation was in a huff providing me with a letter to her stating that if the owners corporation (we managed our strata, no agent), the letter from the CCT stated that if the notice to comply was not issued under section 2 of the Strata Schemes Act within 7 days of the date on the letter then they would be fined $5,000 per day, then she asked me how she could issue them with the notice, I said your problem now, sort it and closed the door.

 

While I appreciate everyone has a right to smoke, so does everyone else have the right not to breath in their smoke if it is entering their home, suffice to say since then legislation has been passed allowing unit buildings to go smoke free provided 50% of owners agree, so now when purchasing a unit you can check the by-laws to see if it's a smoke free building, that was both sides can pick the building of their choices, smokers building or smoke free building. 

Edited November 26, 2020 by 4MyEgo

[robblok]

7 minutes ago, WorriedNoodle said:

I have a condo and so does the guy next door. Whenever he goes on his balcony for a smoke the stench wafts into all the neighbors condos including mine. It seems reasonable said guy should leave the building for a smoke.

Do you keep your windows open or something like that ? I feel that some people are over sensitive. I am a non smoker. Parents and brother smoked i did not like it much when in a car. But inside a house / condo.. no problem.

 

But you got those air purifiers you can buy they remove smoke from the air too not just PM2.5. Maybe a good idea for smokers that bother others.

 

 

[robblok]

5 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

I also smoked for about 25 years and quite in the year 2000.

 

Lived in a unit building of 7 units, I was an owner living in the building with 4 other live in owners, 2 were rented and when I returned from a 3 month trip to Thailand, I noticed the foyer was full of cigarette smoke, like a pub was in the old days, there was nowhere for it to escape, the foyer door was closed, I said this is not on, although I let things go for a couple of days then notice new tenants directly below me smoking like chimneys, couldn't even leave my windows of balcony door open, they were chain smokers, real bad, so I jacked up to the other owners with a special meeting made that evening.

 

I got nothing against smokers, I sit next to them at bars, afterall, that is there space too so they have the right to smoke there, it reeks, I duck and weave and move when it really gets up my nose, anyways, all of the live in owners said there is nothing they can do about it as everyone has the right to smoke, I said wrong, when a occupier of another lot (unit) creates a disturbance to another lot (unit) owner then that lot can be issues with a notice to comply, i.e. rectify the disturbance to the lot being disturbed, the other owners basically laughed at my suggestion to issue those tenants with a notice to comply, so I told them that if they didn't agree to me serving the tenant with the notice then I would take the matter to the CCT Consumer Claims Tribunal, which I did, knock, knock, knock and the door, I opened it and the secretary of the owners corporation was in a huff providing me with a letter to her stating that if the owners corporation (we managed our strata, no agent), the letter from the CCT stated that if the notice to comply was not issued under section 2 of the Strata Schemes Act within 7 days of the date on the letter then they would be fined $5,000 per day, then she asked me how she could issue them with the notice, I said your problem now, sort it and closed the door.

 

While I appreciate everyone has a right to smoke, so does everyone else have the right not to breath in their smoke if it is entering their home, suffice to say since then legislation has been passed allowing unit buildings to go smoke free provided 50% of owners agree, so now when purchasing a unit you can check the by-laws to see if it's a smoke free building, that was both sides can pick the building of their choices, smokers building or smoke free building. 

Different story if they really bother other people then sure ban it. But in a closed condo with maybe an air cleaner (those PM2.5) things i would not have a problem. I would have a problem in the common area's.

 

I find it strange how people say that smoke travels far. I would say normally it would be gone quite fast on a balcony. How it would go from one balcony into an other house. Maybe if its all really close together. Not saying its impossible. But I dont smell people smoking 5 meters away in the open air. 

[ChipButty]

I had a girlfriend once who was an heavy smoker, she didn't have a period she had a fall of soot 

[4MyEgo]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

Different story if they really bother other people then sure ban it. But in a closed condo with maybe an air cleaner (those PM2.5) things i would not have a problem. I would have a problem in the common area's.

 

I find it strange how people say that smoke travels far. I would say normally it would be gone quite fast on a balcony. How it would go from one balcony into an other house. Maybe if its all really close together. Not saying its impossible. But I dont smell people smoking 5 meters away in the open air. 

 

If someone is smoking on the balcony under you and you have your balcony door open or windows you will cop it as we used too. Remember x smokers are more sensitive to cigarette smoke smell than others.

 

Unit living for me is in the past, never again, it's either a villa, or townhouse in the future when I get older, but for now it's the country life in our big house taking in the start of the burning season.

 

[robblok]

4 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

If someone is smoking on the balcony under you and you have your balcony door open or windows you will cop it as we used too. Remember x smokers are more sensitive to cigarette smoke smell than others.

 

Unit living for me is in the past, never again, it's either a villa, or townhouse in the future when I get older, but for now it's the country life in our big house taking in the start of the burning season.

 

If it really affects you either he has to smoke indoors or you have to close your windows. If people bother others then something should be done. But problem is what is reasonable.

[CraigInBangkok]

26 minutes ago, OneMoreFarang said:

I never smoked in my life. But I had and have friends who smoke. And I go to bars were officially smoking is banned but nobody cares. And I am just fine. Let smokers smoke. Have a little tolerance.

It makes sense that people don't smoke in offices or i.e. a bank. But people who smoke their whole life should be able to go on the balcony or in front of the door or wherever and have a cigarette (of cigar, or pipe).

 

If smoking is soooo bad then make it a crime to sell cigarettes. And maybe also make it a crime to sell alcohol.

And maybe to be sure don't allow any car with more that 50HP or a top speed over 100km/h. 

I am sure there are many other rules and laws which would be for the "benefit" of the people.
Yeah, sure.

 

Enjoy life - and let the smokers enjoy their life.

Most of us have some habits which others don't like. Should all be illegal? Over to you.

Just wait and see ...Next they'll be trying to make pot illegal for no good reasons 

[smedly]

I smoke in my condo - windows and doors closed

 

I would not smoke on my balcony as it might disturb my neighbours if they are non smokers

[BangkokReady]

Also ban alcohol.  Major health problems, danger to everyone, people get drunk and do stupid things.  No need for it.

[2long]

I'm not a smoker and I don't really like people smoking up wind from me, but I'm sure I do stuff others don't like. Banning it in condos is not fair. Ok, apartment buildings where tenants rent is one thing, but people buy condos with their own hard-earned money and should be allowed to do what they like in them. At least a cigarette is over in 5 minutes. Loud music, tvs* and other noises are far less socially acceptable in my opinion.

 

*televisions, but could be transvestites if that's your thing.

[canopus1969]

1 hour ago, quake said:

sorry but you have not quit long enough to start lecturing people.

come back in 5 years time.

If you wish to be so pedantic, I quit a very long time ago and concur with all the reasons stated – next?

[ChipButty]

7 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

Also ban alcohol.  Major health problems, danger to everyone, people get drunk and do stupid things.  No need for it.

And drive when drunk

[worgeordie]

How are they going to enforce it, have a CCTV in every room.

smacks of big brother.....

What about the real problem of burning which WILL be starting

soon,it does every year up here in the North,maybe too hard to

enforce....so why bother ????

 I am a non smoker but the Government will make sure I get

my 100 a day when the smoke starts.

regards Worgeordie

  

[Misterwhisper]

1 hour ago, webfact said:

She said there are 7,000 deadly substances in cigarettes and 70 carcinogens. 

 

A bit like Thai vegetables, then.