Brexit talks still stuck because EU is asking too much, UK says

[RayC]

1 hour ago, Loiner said:

Not very interesting for most, but more Remainer anti-Breixt fodder. It's hardly a major player in the auto world, something more akin to a pre-assembled kitcar company. There will probably never be as many on the roads as an average builder like Lotus or Morgan. Who is going to buy these LR look-a-likes anyway, because nobody even wants the new Slovakian Defenders?

Turning on your own now? 

[Loiner]

2 hours ago, RayC said:

Turning on your own now? 

What are you trying to twist now?

[RayC]

4 hours ago, Loiner said:

What are you trying to twist now?

Twisting nothing. Merely an observation that you were disparaging about the Brexit supporting Mr. Radcliffe's company.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 hours ago, RayC said:

What do you mean by 'No Deal'? Please try to be specific. Offer some examples. I've read the generalisations such as 'Taking back control'; 'Leaving the corrupt EU'; etc more times than I care to remember.

No deal is WTO for me always was. I have always believed that the UK can do better without the EU. Clear enough.

[Phulublub]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No deal is WTO for me always was. I have always believed that the UK can do better without the EU. Clear enough.

So that is one Brexiteer clear about what he voted for.  What about the rest of you, especially those who have been lauding BJ's efforts to get a deal?

 

Beacuse you all voted for the same thing, right?

 

PH

[CorpusChristie]

5 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So that is one Brexiteer clear about what he voted for.  What about the rest of you, especially those who have been lauding BJ's efforts to get a deal?

 

Beacuse you all voted for the same thing, right?

 

PH

 

  I was in favour of Brexit , because I thought that it was unfair on British people when Eastern Europeans came to the UK and received Council accommodation or when Europeans claimed housing benefit  , when there were many British people/families who are homeless .

   

[sandyf]

19 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No deal for this brexiter and always has been but i suspect it won't be. I guess that gets lots of remainers 49 choking on whatever they are eating.

No deal was never an option, one way or another the UK must sign up to  "contingency deals".

The so called "scaremongering" will become reality when safety certificates and other critical documents become invalid or expire at the end of the month.

 

The plans contain contingency measures ensuring air and road connectivity between the EU and the U.K. and fishing access. According to the Commission, the aim is "to cater for the period during which there is no agreement in place. If no agreement enters into application, they will end after a fixed period."

https://www.politico.eu/article/brussels-issues-no-deal-brexit-contingency-plans/

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

No deal was never an option, one way or another the UK must sign up to  "contingency deals".

I disagree David Cameron campaigned for the remain stating the UK will leave the ECJ, CU and SM. It is then the remainers came up with that term no deal.

 

Followed by soft and hard brexit.

The 31st December 2020 is also a fixed period.

[sandyf]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I was in favour of Brexit , because I thought that it was unfair on British people when Eastern Europeans came to the UK and received Council accommodation or when Europeans claimed housing benefit  , when there were many British people/families who are homeless .

   

So you think immigration is only fair when it suits.

 

The Polish Resettlement Act 1947 was the first ever mass immigration legislation of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It offered British citizenship to over 200,000^{[citation needed]} displaced Polish troops on British soil who had fought against Nazi Germany and opposed the Soviet takeover of their homeland. The act also supplied a labour force to the demands of war-torn Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947

[sandyf]

5 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

I disagree David Cameron campaigned for the remain stating the UK will leave the ECJ, CU and SM. It is then the remainers came up with that term no deal.

 

Followed by soft and hard brexit.

The 31st December 2020 is also a fixed period.

Your words or not?  "No deal for this brexiter"

[Laughing Gravy]

1 minute ago, sandyf said:

Your words or not?  "No deal for this brexiter"

Exactly using remainer Jargon so it is understood. I could easily say eaving the ECJ, CU and SM. I call that leaving the EU. It is what i voted for as many others did. After all the leader of the remain stated it over and over again.

 

Many remainers and EU lovers call it a no deal.

 

[luckyluke]

18 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  I was in favour of Brexit , because I thought that it was unfair on British people when Eastern Europeans came to the UK and received Council accommodation or when Europeans claimed housing benefit  , when there were many British people/families who are homeless .

   

 

Shame to your government of not taking more care of their own citizens.

[nauseus]

40 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So that is one Brexiteer clear about what he voted for.  What about the rest of you, especially those who have been lauding BJ's efforts to get a deal?

 

Beacuse you all voted for the same thing, right?

 

PH

By the ballot ticket - obviously.

[transam]

38 minutes ago, Phulublub said:

So that is one Brexiteer clear about what he voted for.  What about the rest of you, especially those who have been lauding BJ's efforts to get a deal?

 

Beacuse you all voted for the same thing, right?

 

PH

You and yours have been told a zillion times by many of us why we voted to leave, but you still come back with the same ol' fodder.

What on earth is the matter with you, Brexit is done, stop sulking and let the future take its course...???? 

[CorpusChristie]

12 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

Shame to your government of not taking more care of their own citizens.

 

  We were all E.U citizens , we all had to be treated the same .

[IvorBiggun2]

3 hours ago, Laughing Gravy said:

No deal is WTO for me always was.

Same goes for me.

[CorpusChristie]

35 minutes ago, sandyf said:

So you think immigration is only fair when it suits.

 

The Polish Resettlement Act 1947 was the first ever mass immigration legislation of the Parliament of the United Kingdom. It offered British citizenship to over 200,000^{[citation needed]} displaced Polish troops on British soil who had fought against Nazi Germany and opposed the Soviet takeover of their homeland. The act also supplied a labour force to the demands of war-torn Britain.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Resettlement_Act_1947

 

   I think immigration needs to be controlled .

I applied on site for work in construction in London .

Went onsite and asked about getting a job .

A Polish company had got the building contract (Because they were the cheapest) and were only hiring Polish builders .

In London , I was told to go to Warsaw and apply there for a job..............working in London 

[luckyluke]

21 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  We were all E.U citizens , we all had to be treated the same .

 

I must have missed something, which is not exceptional.

 

I thought that the claim was about non Britons treated in a better way than the locals.

 

Hence my reaction that it is a shame from the British government to let that happen.  

[luckyluke]

8 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

   I think immigration needs to be controlled .

I applied on site for work in construction in London .

Went onsite and asked about getting a job .

A Polish company had got the building contract (Because they were the cheapest) and were only hiring Polish builders .

In London , I was told to go to Warsaw and apply there for a job..............working in London 

 

There is something rotten in the state of Britain, if such behavior is tolerated by the ones in power.

[CorpusChristie]

7 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

I must have missed something, which is not exceptional.

 

I thought that the claim was about non Britons treated in a better way than the locals.

 

Hence my reaction that it is a shame from the British government to let that happen.  

 

   There is a huge waiting list in the UK to get council accommodation .

People/families get allocated council homes due to their needs .

Families arriving from  Europe went to the top of the waiting list because they were homeless and had nowhere to live , at the expense of UK people/families 

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, CorpusChristie said:

Families arriving from  Europe went to the top of the waiting list because they were homeless and had nowhere to live , at the expense of UK people/families 

 

If these U.K. people/families were homeless too, it is a shame.

 

If they were not, and wanted better/more appropriate accommodation, it is a pity.

 

There is a freedom of movement in the E.U., so every individual from any country is considered as equal.

 

Many in the E.U. have a problem with this.

 

Pretty sure that was an important factor in the decision of the Britons to vote Leave.

 

Will now have to see, what concrete measures the U.K. will take, next year, to resolve this situation.

[RayC]

1 hour ago, transam said:

You and yours have been told a zillion times by many of us why we voted to leave, but you still come back with the same ol' fodder.

What on earth is the matter with you, Brexit is done, stop sulking and let the future take its course...???? 

You also told us that the UK would have FTAs stretching from Reykjavik to the Russian border and beyond. And where are we with 20 days to go? Our one deal of any significance - if you can call it that -  currently accounts for 2% of our annual trading volume.

 

And the solution to this void? "... let the future take its course." In other words, leave it to chance and hope for the best. Unfortunately, your solution also seems to have been adopted by our incompetent government.

[RayC]

There seem to be an increasingly large number of Brexiters on TVF stating that  their preferred option all along was to trade under WTO rules.  A gov.uk website gives an overview of what this means.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trading-under-wto-rules

 

Have a look at the section entitled: 'What you’ll have to do differently when you are trading under WTO rules'.  A fairly long list, and as the site states 'this list is not exhaustive'.

 

Are we seriously meant to be believe that this arrangement with the EU is superior to the one currently in place?

[Phulublub]

2 hours ago, transam said:

You and yours have been told a zillion times by many of us why we voted to leave, but you still come back with the same ol' fodder.

What on earth is the matter with you, Brexit is done, stop sulking and let the future take its course...???? 

I think it is you who are sulkng. 

 

Many, here and elsewhere, have often pointed out that those who voted Leave did so for many very different reasons.  And some are contradictory.  Just becauser you cannot - or will not publicly - accept that fact is immaterial, but it is good to have others who are willing to reply with more than petty insults showing the diverse reasons they voted Leave.  At least they have reasons more than the racist xenophobes (some of whom live in foregin counrties).

 

PH

[sandyf]

3 hours ago, RayC said:

There seem to be an increasingly large number of Brexiters on TVF stating that  their preferred option all along was to trade under WTO rules.  A gov.uk website gives an overview of what this means.

 

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/trading-under-wto-rules

 

Have a look at the section entitled: 'What you’ll have to do differently when you are trading under WTO rules'.  A fairly long list, and as the site states 'this list is not exhaustive'.

 

Are we seriously meant to be believe that this arrangement with the EU is superior to the one currently in place?

Exactly, the best deal for the UK was the one that got thrown away.

The reality of the "Australian" deal, from an Australian.

 

“It’s our third-biggest trading partner collectively, because it’s such a big economy, but there are very big barriers to Australian exports of agricultural products in particular. There’s a lot of friction in the system in terms of services.”

“So be careful what you wish for,” he added. “Australia’s relationship with the EU is not one, from a trade point, that Britain would want, frankly.”

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-australia-no-deal-boris-johnson-malcolm-turnbull-b1769742.html

 

And the reality of the holy grail -  "sovereignty".

 

The core principle of the WTO – “most favoured nation” (MFN) – prohibits all discrimination in trade policy, and places restrictions on the use of subsidies (“state aid”). All manner of things that a sovereign, independent country might want to do is forbidden. And if a country breaks the rules, leading to a dispute with other nations, the WTO has panels of foreign judges to resolve the issue, and impose penalties, just like the European Court of Justice – except that the judges could be from China or Brazil.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-trade-deal-sovereignty-uk-eu-b1767980.html

[GrandPapillon]

so the WTO deal, like the EU deal, is above sovereignty, like every international trade agreements

 

you want to go back to your sovereignty and be your own little isolated island? no problem, and go the NK way

 

there is no such thing as sovereignty in global trades,

[transam]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

I think it is you who are sulkng. 

 

Many, here and elsewhere, have often pointed out that those who voted Leave did so for many very different reasons.  And some are contradictory.  Just becauser you cannot - or will not publicly - accept that fact is immaterial, but it is good to have others who are willing to reply with more than petty insults showing the diverse reasons they voted Leave.  At least they have reasons more than the racist xenophobes (some of whom live in foregin counrties).

 

PH

I can't believe you wrote that, no, I do believe you wrote that, well done.........

[CorpusChristie]

4 hours ago, Phulublub said:

I think it is you who are sulkng. 

 

Many, here and elsewhere, have often pointed out that those who voted Leave did so for many very different reasons.  And some are contradictory.  Just becauser you cannot - or will not publicly - accept that fact is immaterial, but it is good to have others who are willing to reply with more than petty insults showing the diverse reasons they voted Leave.  At least they have reasons more than the racist xenophobes (some of whom live in foregin counrties).

 

PH

 

  We all voted leave.................because we all wanted to leave .

What other reasons would you like to hear ?

Whatever reasons people had, we all came to the same conclusion , and thats the only opinion that matters

[CorpusChristie]

13 minutes ago, GrandPapillon said:

 

 

you want to go back to your sovereignty and be your own little isolated island? no problem, and go the NK way

 

 

  That is taking the extremes , to the extreme and then going a little bit further until you reach the Twilight Zone 

[GrandPapillon]

5 minutes ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  That is taking the extremes , to the extreme and then going a little bit further until you reach the Twilight Zone 

my point exactly, you can't reach sovereignty, it's a pipe dream, and true Brexit is your pipedream