UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[kingdong]

24 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

 

 

 

The day you know how much of your "real", physical country belongs to private or shell corporations and oligarchs, maybe you can decide to take it back. But you do not even want to know, do you?

 

 

 

 

I own the land i,m standing on.

[kingdong]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

In the basements from Brussels Justice court is one stored ...

 

But i think In France Macron would be also very generous to borrow Britain one of theirs ...????

????

Many a true word spoken in jest considering the civil unrest france is having,still you reap what you sow.... 

[luckyluke]

9 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

NO!

 

We have three seperate powers.

 

Sorry, it seems I had a wrong idea about its functioning. 

Shows this E.U. thing is really not my cup of tea. 

Thanks to refer to Wikipedia. 

I will pass however, but restrain to further post  about its way to operate. 

Maybe an advice for others here too. 

[Hi from France]

up above on this thread I saw a post about Gibraltar (British sovereignty over Gibraltar was formalised by the treaty of Utrecht in 1713 but Spain has always opposed)

 

this is the Uk gov statement

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The UK, side by side with the Government of Gibraltar, has held constructive discussions with Spain regarding future relationship issues relating to Gibraltar. All sides acknowledged the challenging nature of this process at the outset of talks. Although an agreement has not yet been reached on Gibraltar’s future relationship with the EU, we will continue our discussions with Spain to safeguard Gibraltar’s interests, and those of the surrounding region.

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-on-gibraltar-future-relationship

 

 

so as I understand, Gibraltar is in a no-deal situation? The latest (old) news I had were : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

 

 

 

so Spain got what it wanted

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The EU will back Spain over its territorial claims to Gibraltar in the next phase of Brexit negotiations by giving Madrid the power to exclude the British overseas territory from any trade deal struck with Brussels.

 

 

 

as a consequence

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“They have in principle asked that the new relationship not apply to Gibraltar without the explicit consent of Spain, which will only be given if the bilateral talks with Spain and the UK over the rock are resolved,” a senior EU diplomat said.

 

while the UK wanted Gibraltar "in the package"

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A foreign office spokesperson said: “The UK will not exclude Gibraltar from our negotiations in relation to our future relationship with the EU. We will negotiate on behalf of the whole UK family, which includes Gibraltar.”

 

Edited December 25, 2020 by Hi from France

[Hi from France]

13 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

up above on this thread I saw a post about Gibraltar (British sovereignty over Gibraltar was formalised by the treaty of Utrecht in 1713 but Spain has always opposed)

 

this is the Uk gov statement

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/statement-on-gibraltar-future-relationship

 

 

so as I understand, Gibraltar is in a no-deal situation? The latest (old) news I had were : https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/feb/01/brexit-trade-talks-eu-to-back-spain-over-gibraltar-claims

 

 

 

so Spain got what it wanted

 

 

 

as a consequence

 

while the UK wanted Gibraltar "in the package"

 

more

 

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/24/brexit-clock-still-ticking-over-gibraltar-warns-british-enclave-s-leader

 

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo  said he wants the enclave to join the Schengen Area

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This would mean Britons travelling to the territory would be subjected to border controls for the first time.

 

One of the sticking points of the talks has been who patrols the border with Spain wanting its police to do it, a proposal roundly rejected by Picardo.

 

The task could instead be handed out to Frontex, the EU's border agency.

 

 

 

Reuters

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-spain-gibraltar/spain-to-keep-negotiating-on-gibraltar-border-after-brexit-deal-idUKKBN28Y1LA

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In a 2002 referendum, 99% of Gibraltarians rejected any idea of Britain sharing sovereignty with Spain. But in 2016, nearly 96% of voters in Gibraltar backed staying in the EU, while in Britain proper the referendum vote was 52%-48% in favour of leaving the bloc.

 

Edited December 25, 2020 by Hi from France

[CG1 Blue]

49 minutes ago, puipuitom said:

NO!

 

We have three seperate powers.

 

a) The EU council, existing of the heads of government of all EU member states, with a president elected by these members, and should be a former head of state of a EU member state

b) the EU committee, a kind of EXECUTIVE board, with one member of each EU member state, with as president a person promoted by the EU Council, for which the EU parliament has a veto right. The last election the EU Parliament tried to push forward a preferent candidate for the president ( Spitzenkandidat) of the EU Committee, but this failed completely.

c) The EU parliament with members elected per EU member state.

 

I advise you to read on wiki the real definitions. After so many years, this should be common sense.

 

What a shambles. Thank **** we're out of it. 

[CG1 Blue]

4 minutes ago, Hi from France said:

more

 

 

https://www.euronews.com/2020/12/24/brexit-clock-still-ticking-over-gibraltar-warns-british-enclave-s-leader

 

Gibraltar's Chief Minister Fabian Picardo  said he wants the enclave to join the Schengen Area

 

 

 

Reuters

https://uk.reuters.com/article/us-britain-eu-spain-gibraltar/spain-to-keep-negotiating-on-gibraltar-border-after-brexit-deal-idUKKBN28Y1LA

 

Why are you getting all excited about Gibraltar now? Do you think we give t0$$ about that? 

[Laughing Gravy]

20 hours ago, sandyf said:

EU officials are elected every 5 years, how long between votes in the UK, 5 years?

"great reason" can hardly be valid logic.

The EU presidents as I clearly mentioned. When did you get to vote directly those people... You never like any of us.

[Laughing Gravy]

15 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

Brexit in the long run is going to be one huge mistake for the UK. I bet you won’t admit that.

I think your having a wobbler. And Brexit is the best thing to happen to the UK for years, I admit that. Freedom from the corrupt EU.

[Laughing Gravy]

20 hours ago, simple1 said:

Not so, there will be continuing negotiation over trade, security and so on. No government is 'free' to do what it desires - always consequences e.g.

 

After the transition ends, the UK will have the right to withdraw EU boats' access to UK waters.

But Mrs von der Leyen said the EU will have "strong tools to incentivise" continued access for the EU fleet to UK waters. This might involve using tariffs (or taxes on UK goods entering the EU).

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/46401558

Yes they are free from the many constraints of the EU. In case you hadn't noticed the UK officially left the EU and was in a transistion stage and they finally leave by 1st Jan 2021. As it is written and you have stated this yourself the UK have the right over wasters. previously they never did. Von dxer Leyen, trying to polish a curd.

 

I guess you must be one of those posters who dream of enslaving the UK for ever. Pity it didn't work. The UK can now trade with who ever it wants, previously this was not allowed.

Edited December 25, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[CG1 Blue]

16 hours ago, Throatwobbler said:

Brexit in the long run is going to be one huge mistake for the UK. I bet you won’t admit that.

You want someone to admit that your predictions for the future are factual? Wow ????‍♂️

[Chomper Higgot]

8 hours ago, 473geo said:

Used to see them on UK manufactured tractors, no more

And British manufacturing was destroyed by?

[luckyluke]

46 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

Freedom from the corrupt EU.

 

For me to be catalogued as the same nonsense as those who claim that the U.K. is corrupt.

 

"If you think the UK isn't corrupt, you haven't looked hard enough"

- The Guardian -

 

 

 

[andyg75]

6 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

I had a job in Thailand for 14 years, quite legally and will do so again once my contract ends where I am currently resident. 

More BS

[kingdong]

38 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

And British manufacturing was destroyed by?

The lutwaffe.

Edited December 26, 2020 by kingdong

[Chomper Higgot]

2 minutes ago, andyg75 said:

More BS

Almost all of the expats I know in Thailand are or have been legally employed by MNCs in Thailand, all for no less thang 10 years, many for over 20 years.

[kingdong]

6 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

 

  Pantomime season is upon us 

Oh no it isn,t.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

The lutwaffe.

Well of course, the Luftwaffe destroyed industries that were still in existence until the 70/early 80s.

 

Why didn’t I know that?!

[OneMoreFarang]

7 hours ago, CorpusChristie said:

  We, foreigners in Thailand cannot own land , cannot work at any job , need to have an income , need to jump through numerous ever changing hoops to get visas  , yes, we dont like that, that the way it is .

  Thailand protects itself from foreigners , why shouldnt the UK do likewise ?

You, not we!

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, kingdong said:

Oh no it isn,t.

I spat my coffee at that.

 

Merry Christmas.

[kingdong]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Well of course, the Luftwaffe destroyed industries that were still in existence until the 70/early 80s.

 

Why didn’t I know that?!

 

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

 

After ww 2 all europe was decimated,america made non repayment grants to europe and uk,however the uk were given a load of ordinance under the lend -lease plan which we used to defeat the nazis ( along with usa and russia ) however at the end of the war we had to pay back the debt which we,ve only just stopped paying back,consequently in a broken country which we had to rebuild,we also had a huge debt to service,as our " friends and allies " the usa were worried about getting knocked for their investment they drew up the marshall plan,which led to the common market which morphed into the eu.anyway to get back to your original question,we had an industry using obsolete machinery and as such couldn,t compete.

[Laughing Gravy]

58 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

 

For me to be catalogued as the same nonsense as those who claim that the U.K. is corrupt.

 

"If you think the UK isn't corrupt, you haven't looked hard enough"

- The Guardian -

 

 

 

The Guardian Newspaper, please.

 

Along with the Independent, closely followed by the Observer these papers are anti British and pro EU. You claim to be 'old school'. how about broadening your very narrow reading material and give yourself some credibility, in your unbiased view.

Edited December 26, 2020 by Laughing Gravy

[luckyluke]

Just now, Laughing Gravy said:

The Guardian Newspaper, please.

 

Along with the Independent, closely followed by the Observer these papers are anti British and pro EU. You claim to be 'old school'. how about broadening your very narrow reading material and give yourself some credibility. in your unbiased view.

You read my post, but clearly didn't understand it.

Try again.

But here it is :

It says I don't believe what The Guardian wrote about the U.K. being a corrupt country.

 

[Laughing Gravy]

6 minutes ago, luckyluke said:

You read my post, but clearly didn't understand it.

Try again.

But here it is :

It says I don't believe what The Guardian wrote about the U.K. being a corrupt country.

 

Well that is progress. As you have clearly stated many times English is not your first language.  I don't understand some of your posts but I get that one. ????

[luckyluke]

1 minute ago, Laughing Gravy said:

but I get that one.

Finally, well done.

[Chomper Higgot]

20 minutes ago, kingdong said:

 

After ww 2 all europe was decimated,america made non repayment grants to europe and uk,however the uk were given a load of ordinance under the lend -lease plan which we used to defeat the nazis ( along with usa and russia ) however at the end of the war we had to pay back the debt which we,ve only just stopped paying back,consequently in a broken country which we had to rebuild,we also had a huge debt to service,as our " friends and allies " the usa were worried about getting knocked for their investment they drew up the marshall plan,which led to the common market which morphed into the eu.anyway to get back to your original question,we had an industry using obsolete machinery and as such couldn,t compete.

Well that’s the chip on the shoulder view.

 

The fact is the UK received considerably more ‘Marshall Plan’ aid than Germany.

 

US policy wrt to repayment of ‘Lend Lease’ was to strip the UK economy of the funds needed to maintain control over the British Empire. (An example of the fallacy of the ‘special relationship ‘).

 

The attached provides a rather good overview with facts that debunk the myths around the UK and the Marshall Plan.

 

http://www.bbc.co.uk/history/british/modern/marshall_01.shtml

[Chomper Higgot]

19 minutes ago, Laughing Gravy said:

The Guardian Newspaper, please.

 

Along with the Independent, closely followed by the Observer these papers are anti British and pro EU. You claim to be 'old school'. how about broadening your very narrow reading material and give yourself some credibility, in your unbiased view.

There you go again with your ‘Anti British’ nonsense.

[nauseus]

18 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

The U.K. wasn’t in EEC, never mind a “full member”, in 1967 or 1969...

 

Ho Ho Ho 

 

No, we were just part of Europe. That's all that was required. 

[david555]

It seems " The Boris "has a worry the ...."only details ...only detail ..." go haunt him when reading the readers comments part ...( down down 2 second link)...And this not from the Guardian ...but from the " Tory bible " ????

 

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/25/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-urges-tory-eurosceptics-put-publics/

 

Brexit deal: Boris Johnson urges Tory Eurosceptics to put the public’s interests before their own

The Prime Minister accepted that 'the devil is in the detail' but he was sure it would stand up to 'ruthless' scrutiny from 'legal eagles'

 

By Gordon Rayner, Political Editor and Lucy Fisher, Deputy Political Editor 26 December 2020 • 12:07am

 

Comments from brexiteers readers on it ....feeling ..betrayed by Boris ( fun to read ...????)

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2020/12/25/brexit-deal-boris-johnson-urges-tory-eurosceptics-put-publics/#comment

Edited December 26, 2020 by david555

[nauseus]

13 hours ago, Chomper Higgot said:

There are a number of problems with your simplistic argument.

 

The fist is, what is the actual cost of production?

S.American beef produced at the cost of destroying the Amazon Forrests both for grazing and cattle feed production is naturally cheaper than beef raised on UK farms.

 

The second is food security, wiping out UK farming isn’t such a bright idea given the outcome of the UK then being dependent on imported food (a strange kind of sovereignty).

 

There are other arguments around the impact of job losses in rural communities and the whole question of who actually benefits from the price cut, the consumer or the food industry?

 

But don’t bother your head with all that, stick with simplistic arguments that don’t challenge your world view.

 

How do you think the UK managed to get so much farmland?