UK and EU reach Brexit trade deal

[transam]

21 minutes ago, david555 said:

 (Good news for the hard core brexiteers , WTO "could" still be ....as E.U. parliamentarians did not signed yet ... ???? )

 

 

Brexit news: EU warns it could still BLOCK Brexit trade deal as MEPs mock British MPs | Politics | News | Express.co.uk

 

This isn't over! EU warns it could still BLOCK Brexit trade deal as MEPs mock British MPs

SENIOR MEPs have vowed not to be hoodwinked into backing the Brexit trade deal like their British counterparts.

By JOE BARNES, BRUSSELS CORRESPONDENT

PUBLISHED: 09:26, Tue, Jan 12, 2021 | UPDATED: 09:42, Tue, Jan 12, 2021

 

The European Parliament’s influential international trade committee said they would scrutinise each and every “loose end” in the UK-EU Trade and Cooperation Agreement before giving it their sign off. A special plenary is set to be held by MEPs around February 23 to finally vote on the future relationship pact after it was agreed on Christmas Eve. They vowed to pour over the 1,200-page document and highlight any inconsistencies ahead of the ballot to rubber-stamp the pact.

 

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Sounds like normal procedure, Dave............................????

[david555]

9 minutes ago, transam said:

Sounds like normal procedure, Dave............................????

Yes indeed the deal is not legally signed yet ..... just pointing it out , that the procedure on E.U. side is different than the quick rubber stamped one on U.K. side to make Boris dressed "father Christmas" outfit  in Britain ....

Edited January 12, 2021 by david555

[transam]

2 minutes ago, david555 said:

Yes indeed the deal is not legally signed yet ..... just pointing it out , that the procedure on E.U. side is different than the quick rubber stamped one on U.K. side to make Boris "father Christmas" outfit  in Britain ....

It's OK Dave, I think we all understand that kind of stuff, no need to spend your valuable time on it........????

[7by7]

On 1/4/2021 at 7:02 PM, nauseus said:

 

 

Don't change the tune. We never saw any  proposals. 

 Then you weren't paying attention.

[7by7]

On 1/4/2021 at 8:41 PM, Loiner said:

Thanks to Reed-Mogg, the ERG and others supporting Johnson, we now have a reasonable deal for the U.K. to begin to work from. Boris’s ambition was to get Brexit done, and that he and his team did.

 

Has it been left to May and her gang of appeasers we would certainly have been surrendered into BRINO. Her WA was the basis for total capitulation and any trade deal given to her by Macon and Merkel would have been gratefully received by her while bending over.   

 

Your Remainer false prognostications of doom are only surpassed by rewriting of history into what didn’t happen. 

 

Based upon this rant, you must be able to explain how May and her government were a gang of appeasers, how her proposals were surrendering to BRINO etc. and the real world differences between what she proposed and what Johnson achieved.

 

I await your answer, even though I know you are incapable of providing a real one; just your usual propaganda based hyperbole containing no facts at all

[7by7]

On 1/4/2021 at 11:36 PM, CG1 Blue said:

'Afk' - I had to look that up. Away From Keyboard. 

Yesterday (page 67) you said you would be 'AFK after today for a week'. And yet here you still are. 

 

Please can you follow through with your threats to be away from your keyboard ???? 

 

Picking me up on a minor point. You must be ever so proud of yourself!

 

So much easier than countering the fact based arguments I've produced and answering the awkward questions I have asked!

[7by7]

On 1/4/2021 at 11:50 PM, CG1 Blue said:

No, I am saying there will be cooperation on those things. Use a bit of common sense. Neither side would gain from allowing criminal activity increase, and so provisions will be made to prevent that from happening. 

Maybe it's time you stopped looking for problems that don't / won't exist. 

 

Provisions may very well be made, but we wont have the same access that we had before.

 

Brexit: What does it mean for security in the UK?

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From 2021, the UK will no longer be a full member of Europol because it's an EU agency.

The National Crime Agency (NCA) says it will have to reorganise hundreds of cross-border operations through new agreements with each nation it currently works with inside Europol.

Some nations, like the USA, have an "associate" relationship with Europol - but can't use all its investigatory powers, and have no say over its objectives and priorities. The UK faces similar questions over its relationship to a second agency, Eurojust, which predominantly links up prosecutors.

 

But maybe you know more than, amongst others, the NCA? If so, please enlighten them.

 

Another example in that article of what Brexit has cost us:-

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In 2005, failed London bomber Hussain Osman was arrested in Italy and brought back to the UK for trial in only 56 days, thanks to the European Arrest Warrant (EAW).

The UK has found, arrested and extradited 11,300 people in the decade to 2019 - and received 1,600 suspects wanted for crimes here.

The UK will leave the EAW. Extradition is still possible under a 1957 treaty - although not from Germany. History shows the hardest cases could take a decade to resolve amid multiple appeals.

 

That's not all; as the concerns expressed in that article by senior police officers as well as the NCA show.

[7by7]

On 1/5/2021 at 2:40 AM, transam said:

At what point will you actually back your country. After all, Brexit is done, we now move on. ?

 

At what point will you back your country by moving back here to live in the paradise you imagine the UK will be post Brexit?

 

What you and your fellow expat Brexiteers obviously fail to understand is the multitudinous problems your beloved Brexit has caused those of us here in the UK.

 

From serious problems such as cross border law enforcement to the merely inconvenient ones like the extra paperwork etc. required by lorry drivers entering the EU. See the HMG guidance Transporting goods between Great Britain and the EU: guidance for hauliers and commercial drivers

 

Drivers entering the EU are even having their ham and cheese sandwiches confiscated because we are no longer a member of the EU! (See also "Bringing food and drink into EU countries" in the above HMG guidance)

 

Identifying the problems is 90% of the solution. Ignoring them and instead making ridiculous comments from 6000 miles away achieves nothing.

[Bluespunk]

11 hours ago, transam said:

Perhaps those across the channel are still smarting at the loss of UK cash and the possibility of a ban on Garners Pickled Onions......????

Nope. 

[mommysboy]

Although initially skeptical of Brexit I can see why it was necessary.  UK is clearly operating with good will.  I wouldn't be that bothered if the EU did back out.  I foresee a more lucrative global future for the UK.

[david555]

9https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383179/spain-brexit-holidays-costa-del-sol-latest-news-uk-expats-pensioners-eu-rules

Costa del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

BRITISH ex-pats fear being forced from their lives in the sun on

osta del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

 

By Simon Osborne

19:38, Tue, Jan 12, 2021 | UPDATED: 20:13, Tue, Jan 12, 2021

Spain's Costa del Sol as a result of Brexit

 

Britons living in Spain now have to prove they have an income of at least £2,000 per month and even more for families. Households will need to show they have an extra £500 a month for each member of the family so a family of four will need to prove they bring in at least £42,000 a year.

 

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[vinny41]

46 minutes ago, david555 said:

9https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383179/spain-brexit-holidays-costa-del-sol-latest-news-uk-expats-pensioners-eu-rules

Costa del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

BRITISH ex-pats fear being forced from their lives in the sun on

osta del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

 

By Simon Osborne

19:38, Tue, Jan 12, 2021 | UPDATED: 20:13, Tue, Jan 12, 2021

Spain's Costa del Sol as a result of Brexit

 

Britons living in Spain now have to prove they have an income of at least £2,000 per month and even more for families. Households will need to show they have an extra £500 a month for each member of the family so a family of four will need to prove they bring in at least £42,000 a year.

 

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These requirements are for anyone moving to Spain after January 1st 2021 anyone living in Spain before that date different rules apply

According to Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) Spain and Brexpats in Spain, the minimum annual amounts required as of 2020 for residency applications for citizens of the EU, EEA and Switzerland are as follows:

Individual: €5,538

The Withdrawal Agreement and the Royal Decree covering Spain's Brexit contingency measures guarantee that Brits living in Spain before the end of 2020 are treated the same as all other EU/EEA citizens, even if they have their residency appointment after the December 31st 2020 deadline.

https://www.thelocal.es/20200916/how-much-money-do-i-need-to-have-to-register-in-spain-before-and-after-brexit

[david555]

27 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

These requirements are for anyone moving to Spain after January 1st 2021 anyone living in Spain before that date different rules apply

According to Citizens Advice Bureau (CAB) Spain and Brexpats in Spain, the minimum annual amounts required as of 2020 for residency applications for citizens of the EU, EEA and Switzerland are as follows:

Individual: €5,538

The Withdrawal Agreement and the Royal Decree covering Spain's Brexit contingency measures guarantee that Brits living in Spain before the end of 2020 are treated the same as all other EU/EEA citizens, even if they have their residency appointment after the December 31st 2020 deadline.

https://www.thelocal.es/20200916/how-much-money-do-i-need-to-have-to-register-in-spain-before-and-after-brexit

So that is probably what the article meant ....for those who did not chose for residence already in time  or Spanish citizenship ....those who took the best of two worlds ....untill brexit came to disturb it...

The Devill is alway's in the tail whit such story's....

Edited January 12, 2021 by david555

[vinny41]

12 minutes ago, david555 said:

So that is probably what the article meant ....for those who did not chose for residence already in time  or Spanish citizenship ....those who took the best of two worlds ....untill brexit came to disturb it...

The Devill is alway's in the tail whit such story's....

Yes it was important to start the residency process before 31st December 2020, as for Spanish citizenship  requires the person concerned to have been a legal resident of Spain for an uninterrupted period of ten years immediately prior to the application.

that is a lot harder same as a number of other countries

What Brits can no longer do from January 1st 2021

https://www.thelocal.es/20210101/what-changes-for-brits-in-spain-from-january-1st

 

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Edited January 12, 2021 by vinny41

[david555]

48 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

Yes it was important to start the residency process before 31st December 2020, as for Spanish citizenship  requires the person concerned to have been a legal resident of Spain for an uninterrupted period of ten years immediately prior to the application.

that is a lot harder same as a number of other countries

What Brits can no longer do from January 1st 2021

https://www.thelocal.es/20210101/what-changes-for-brits-in-spain-from-january-1st

 

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Yes that is alway's the confusian about "residence" , many feel resident when living full of part time in a country ..., but are confusing with the legall residence status .....same as in Thailand the residence status is a limited number granted by year ...

 

Example for my country i am officially EMMigrated to Thailand ...but for Thailand i am not IMMigrated , just a temporary allowed tourist extended on conditions up to 1 year each time...

 

So i am not surprised that in the official explaining from the both brexit country's spokespersons , confusion for the simple nationals is big misunderstood in the  name "residents "

Edited January 12, 2021 by david555

[tebee]

20 hours ago, jvs said:

Of course you are right,my bad.

Try taking food from the EU to Switserland,also not an issue but i am sure you can find some if you

dig deep enough.

Sometimes i make the mistake taken Eu for Europe,

There are strict limits on the amount of certain foods, meat for instance, you can take from the EU to Switzerland.

 

Customs can (and do)  search your car and confiscate the excess.

[vogie]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

So that is probably what the article meant ....for those who did not chose for residence already in time  or Spanish citizenship ....those who took the best of two worlds ....untill brexit came to disturb it...

The Devill is alway's in the tail whit such story's....

It could have a big impact on the housing market in Spain, at the moment the British are the biggest buyers of property in Spain. With the new ruling it may deter a lot of new retirees moving to Spain and it could cause Spanish property to stagnate or even collapse.

The Brits with property already living there may struggle to find buyers in the future, but only time will tell.

[david555]

1 hour ago, tebee said:

There are strict limits on the amount of certain foods, meat for instance, you can take from the EU to Switzerland.

 

Customs can (and do)  search your car and confiscate the excess.

I Remember as a 13 year old travelling by car with parents on a holliday when entering Switzerland by example must pay a amount Suise Francs for dog  ....money back when leaving Switzerland with dog .....borders .... ! that is why E.U. borderless system made Brits so easy feeling by travelling ... no more unless citizens ...

Lost advantages ....

 

[david555]

So if many think  only E.U.  do so ....remember Govy / Boris  just postponed 6 months the U.K. aplicating new border restrictions because brexit ... not in "kindness ", but only because not ready for it ..

Same things shall be reprocal after for E.U. nationals entering  ...so can take our ham & cheese sandwiches ????

[transam]

14 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

At what point will you back your country by moving back here to live in the paradise you imagine the UK will be post Brexit?

 

What you and your fellow expat Brexiteers obviously fail to understand is the multitudinous problems your beloved Brexit has caused those of us here in the UK.

 

From serious problems such as cross border law enforcement to the merely inconvenient ones like the extra paperwork etc. required by lorry drivers entering the EU. See the HMG guidance Transporting goods between Great Britain and the EU: guidance for hauliers and commercial drivers

 

Drivers entering the EU are even having their ham and cheese sandwiches confiscated because we are no longer a member of the EU! (See also "Bringing food and drink into EU countries" in the above HMG guidance)

 

Identifying the problems is 90% of the solution. Ignoring them and instead making ridiculous comments from 6000 miles away achieves nothing.

As a retired person, I am in my retirement home, but even in retirement I have my own opinions regarding my country.

 

The Axis countries caused your country way more problems that your country overcame with time, perhaps they had more backbone back then, eh..

 

Paperwork, do you handle paperwork in your daily job routine, do you deal with it, yes, I think so.

 

The sandwiches, did it happen in the UK, no, it happened in one of the countries we left behind who are obviously being sh_tty..In fact childish, but to be expected from those smarting over the loss of UK cash..

 

You, in the UK, are making comments on a Thai forum 6000 miles away that achieves nothing. Pot/Kettle...???? 

[hotandsticky]

6 hours ago, david555 said:

9https://www.express.co.uk/news/uk/1383179/spain-brexit-holidays-costa-del-sol-latest-news-uk-expats-pensioners-eu-rules

Costa del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

BRITISH ex-pats fear being forced from their lives in the sun on

osta del Sol Brexit EXODUS: 'Let down' British ex-pats leave Spain as tough EU rules hit

 

By Simon Osborne

19:38, Tue, Jan 12, 2021 | UPDATED: 20:13, Tue, Jan 12, 2021

Spain's Costa del Sol as a result of Brexit

 

Britons living in Spain now have to prove they have an income of at least £2,000 per month and even more for families. Households will need to show they have an extra £500 a month for each member of the family so a family of four will need to prove they bring in at least £42,000 a year.

 

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Makes Thailand's visa extension requirements look extremely generous................................ and also the UK's Settlement requirements at less than half that figure.

[transam]

12 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Nope. 

How do you know, can you be more explicit....

[Bluespunk]

8 minutes ago, transam said:

How do you know, can you be more explicit....

Present evidence supporting your nonsense claim and I will...credible evidence...

[Chelseafan]

1 hour ago, david555 said:

So if many think  only E.U.  do so ....remember Govy / Boris  just postponed 6 months the U.K. aplicating new border restrictions because brexit ... not in "kindness ", but only because not ready for it ..

Same things shall be reprocal after for E.U. nationals entering  ...so can take our ham & cheese sandwiches ????

 

That is only one way. The EU have instigated border controls from day one.

 

[transam]

15 hours ago, 7by7 said:

 

Picking me up on a minor point. You must be ever so proud of yourself!

 

So much easier than countering the fact based arguments I've produced and answering the awkward questions I have asked!

Well it is your daily duty it seems to trash anything your country voted for, so it would be nice to hear something from you in a positive light, for the simple reason, you or I cannot change anything, so can you give me your opinion on this below, just for a change...????

 

 

[transam]

10 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Present evidence supporting your nonsense claim and I will...credible evidence...

No you won't, you only post emijons......????

[Bluespunk]

1 minute ago, transam said:

No you won't, you only post emijons......????

As I said...nonsense claims.

[nauseus]

4 hours ago, vogie said:

It could have a big impact on the housing market in Spain, at the moment the British are the biggest buyers of property in Spain. With the new ruling it may deter a lot of new retirees moving to Spain and it could cause Spanish property to stagnate or even collapse.

The Brits with property already living there may struggle to find buyers in the future, but only time will tell.

 

Spanish property bubble popped 12 years ago, Vogie.

[Surelynot]

Scottish fish prices ‘collapsing’ by as much as 80% due to Brexit bureaucracy......but then I keep forgetting....these events don't matter to a true Brexiteer.

[transam]

Just now, Surelynot said:

Scottish fish prices ‘collapsing’ by as much as 80% due to Brexit bureaucracy......but then I keep forgetting....these events don't matter to a true Brexiteer.

Really, who told you that.....?