56 minutes ago, Boomer6969 said:

The good Doctor is absolutely right. And having one or two six weeks lockdowns before herd immunity is achieved through a well managed vaccination campaigns will not be the end of the world. 

 

He's right in the sense that if it isn't contained things will get much worse.

 

Thailand isn't like Japan though, locking down won't work anymore because the borders are so porous. Unless Thailand can stop people from entering illegally bypassing quarantine then locking down will just delay things and they'll get bad again soon after we lift lockdown.

 

Lockdown worked before because neighbouring countries hadn't yet succumb to the virus, now they have so lockdown will no longer yield any long term benefits.

 

 

3 minutes ago, poskat said:

the "but I think it should work" mindset of the government to be seen as doing something is what is being enacted here

Quite possibly......hard to imagine they would now follow Sweden's oh so successful approach .....that really would take some balls.

2 minutes ago, wprime said:

 

He's right in the sense that if it isn't contained things will get much worse.

 

Thailand isn't like Japan though, locking down won't work anymore because the borders are so porous. Unless Thailand can stop people from entering illegally bypassing quarantine then locking down will just delay things and they'll get bad again soon after we lift lockdown.

 

Lockdown worked before because neighbouring countries hadn't yet succumb to the virus, now they have so lockdown will no longer yield any long term benefits.

 

 

Soon after lockdown???

 

We had 6-8 good months after the last lockdown. I'll happily trade the next 4 weeks under lockdown for 6 more good months.

Bye bye "the outside". See you in 3 months after the lockdown.

41 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

Lockdowns bring people together in tight less ventilated spaces which encourages infections seems a bit counter intuitive to me.Lockdowns also have devastating health effects of undiagnosed and untreated illnesses.

 

This is a very good point which I also always stress in such discussions.

 

I don't say lockdowns never help anything, and I am not generally against lockdowns. But indeed it has been interesting to see that all these lockdowns around the world not always helped as much as intended, and sometimes they even didn't seem to help anything. Of course it is a very dangerous move to lock people together in tight and less ventilated spaces, where infecting others will be strongly accelerated. Exactly this might have lead to more Covid cases in densily populated places like the slums of Manila, Mumbai or Kalkutta, where normally the hot climate outdoors reduces the dwell time of contaminated aerosoles and together with wind the virus concentration in the air quickly becomes uncritical.

 

A more sensible approach which takes into account the local social and climatic situation rather than a simple lockdown often would be a better solution for sure.

Just look at the not lockdown countries and see where they are

At the top of of the list of infected and dead

drove from BKK To Hua  Hin this  morning, no sign of anything on the way apart from the odd "holiday  abandoned tents"

Rushed to get back in case of  lockdown which I  guess is  imminent or at the very least no  interprovincial travel although how the hell theyll stop that I  have no idea

1 hour ago, 86Tiger said:

 

 

I have come to believe the response has been influenced by political correctness / fairness.  It is not fair that an over weight 80 year old sufferring diabetes and high blood pressure is at greater risk than the healthy, athletic 25 year old.  In fairness neither can go to the park because it would make the 80 year old feel bad to see others outside enjoying fresh air and sunshine.

 

So rather than be accused of discrimination everyone will stay locked down.  That way all can suffer  misery and be destitute with lack of food, clothing and shelter together, a fair response to a virus that is so bad over whelming majority must be tested to even know they are sick.

Locking down the elderly and those who have underlying medical symptoms/conditions is pretty soon going to be the only really acceptable option if the worlds economies are not going to be destroyed. Even the vaccine is going to take a long time to be administered to everyone. But even the people at minimal risk need to screw the nut and act with a bit of responsibility. They did not previously hence the restrictions being applied wholesale.

Just now, AlexO said:

Locking down the elderly and those who have underlying medical symptoms/conditions

Yet it never seems to be discussed or even contemplated?

I would rather be in lockdown,......than be in hospital  gasping for breath,

it's hard enough to breath when the smoke starts up here,which won't be

long.

regards worgeordie????

2 hours ago, Travelanimal said:

Lockdown isn't answer and never will be . It will only harm the economy.  If you haven't learnt it till now then you are foolish

Now there's Trump-ism at it's finest, Wealth before Health is fools paradise during a pandemic.

Economies can recover, thousands of dead people cannot.

2 hours ago, 86Tiger said:

Maybe the answer could be lock down "...all the old, the obese and those with underlying health conditions....

Central Pattaya would be decimated.

Not long anymore

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

Mmmmm Spanish (actually American) flu...... 100 million deaths....that worked well.

the spanish flu killed off the productive and children,

corona kills off those that are about to die this year anyway.

its a big difference imo

2 hours ago, tingtong said:

So is the answer a lockdown to bleed to death all those who actually subsidize all, the old, the obese, the sick?

Do you mean all those old, obese and sick people who subsidised people when they were young? Who's taxes paid for their education, who's insurance contributions paid for their health care. The people who gave their lives to rid the world of those who would harm it.  Yeah, let's forget about all those who walked the floor at night hoping their kids would fall asleep - I mean, they're old, fat and ill, they've outlived their usefullness they don't matter anymore.

 

The arrogance of youth at its worst!

13 minutes ago, scammed said:

the spanish flu killed off the productive and children,

corona kills off those that are about to die this year anyway.

its a big difference imo

You sound like a real keeper.....

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

Do you mean all those old, obese and sick people who subsidised people when they were young? Who's taxes paid for their education, who's insurance contributions paid for their health care. The people who gave their lives to rid the world of those who would harm it.  Yeah, let's forget about all those who walked the floor at night hoping our kids would fall asleep - I mean, they're old, fat and ill, they've outlived their usefullness they don't matter anymore.

Yep....I think those are the ones he means.......<deleted> 'em.

2 hours ago, spidermike007 said:

He and his utterly hapless and stunningly incompetent army have failed us once again, and he needs to admit the failure, apologize to the nation, and fall on his sword, metaphorically, by handing in his resignation, in utter humiliation.

Be better if he fell on his sword literally. 

Japan has recorded 3,548 COVID deaths.

From January to November last year Japan had 19,225 suicides. 
 

 

5 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

Japan has recorded 3,548 COVID deaths.

From January to November last year Japan had 19,225 suicides.

What is your point?  Are you trying to say the Covid deaths are insignificant?

3 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

From January to November last year Japan had 19,225 suicides. 

 

What's the point you think you're making?

 

Good to see the numbers still decreasing.

 

 

 

1 hour ago, Surelynot said:

So....are you suggesting there would/might have been significantly less than 100 million deaths if they hadn't worn masks and didn't lockdown?

I've seen lots of reports that the death toll was around 30-50 million so the guesses vary quite a bit.I'm suggesting what the science says and the science says masks and lockdowns have no discernible impact on the final outcome.Some say the virus can be stopped,well then why haven't they stopped it?

Just now, FarFlungFalang said:

lockdowns have no discernible impact

Seriously?

11 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

What is your point?  Are you trying to say the Covid deaths are insignificant?

You haven’t worked it out yet?

1 hour ago, spiekerjozef said:

Bye bye "the outside". See you in 3 months after the lockdown.

Eat healthy and exercise in your room, and going for walks away from others is OK.

Try not to get fat or fatter.

5 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

the science says masks and lockdowns have no discernible impact on the final outcome.

You can lead a horse to water..........

 

Seriously tired of all this BS.  I always thought that everyone received at least a basic education - obviously not.

6 minutes ago, TeaMonkey said:

You haven’t worked it out yet?

No, I clearly don't have your vision, please enlighten me.

 

Second thoughts, don't bother, I think I can imagine your answer:

 

Its the Plandemic.

 

The Great Reset.

 

Covid is spread through the 5G network.

 

Heard it all before, the BS just never goes away.

4 hours ago, Travelanimal said:

Lockdown isn't answer and never will be . It will only harm the economy.  If you haven't learnt it till now then you are foolish

 

Why do people care about the economy so much? I didn't realise the economy was an entity with feelings, and that people would feel so strongly for the poor little economy.

 

The economy can't give you a happy ending to your day, but your loved one or bar girl/boy certainly could - unless they're killed by the virus.

18 minutes ago, Salerno said:

 

What's the point you think you're making?

 

Good to see the numbers still decreasing.

 

 

 

 

Thanks. I cannot even begin to imagine what the point was, that Teamonkey was trying to make. Suicides have been decreasing there for a decade. And so what was the point of that statement? It was certainly not Covid related, as much as a wild imagination may presume.

6 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

No, I clearly don't have your vision, please enlighten me.

 

Second thoughts, don't bother, I think I can imagine your answer:

 

Its the Plandemic.

 

The Great Reset.

 

Covid is spread through the 5G network.

 

Heard it all before, the BS just never goes away.

Suicides are contagious?