3 minutes ago, vandeventer said:

Yes the kids in black should do this!!!

But they didn't have their leader tossed in jail. Understand?

""Leave your guns at home"".

What a warning to be forced to make. Says all you need to know about the Trumpists.

 

4 minutes ago, Jonnapat said:

""Leave your guns at home"".

What a warning to be forced to make. Says all you need to know about the Trumpists.

 

But if you need to know more, there's this:

Rep. Lauren Boebert explains why she plans to carry in Congress in new ad
The chief of Metropolitan Police said the congresswoman would be 'subject to the same penalties' as anyone else who is caught carrying a firearm in D.C.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/rep-lauren-boebert-bringing-her-gun-congress-in-viral-new-ad

 

Maybe she feels she need it because of this:

QAnon-supporting Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene caused a 'screaming match' when she refused to wear a mask at her swearing-in

https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-supporting-congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-132505270.html

The fact that they have to tell people to leave their guns at home is hilarious. Let them shoot each other. Less idiots around can only be a benefit for the rest of us.

 

40 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Maybe she feels she need it because of this:

QAnon-supporting Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene caused a 'screaming match' when she refused to wear a mask at her swearing-in

https://news.yahoo.com/qanon-supporting-congresswoman-marjorie-taylor-132505270.html

 I knew that the American political scene was at times somewhat eccentric - but for a declared supporter of Qanon to end up as a member of Congress! Golly!

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13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why would anybody bring a gun to a supposedly peaceful protest?

If they want to be peaceful they should leave their guns at home.

And if they even think they might need gun they should stay home.

But then, I don't expect much logic from Trump supporters.

I infer you are not an American. Many Trump supporters and all Proud Boys advocate the overthrow of the government, possibly by violence. When I was a kid, the US Attorny General maintained a list of organizations that were said to advocate such policies. They were all Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist. The Proud Boys are particularly committed to the application of violence to political activity. They do not pretend to want peaceful protest.

13 hours ago, OneMoreFarang said:

Why would anybody bring a gun to a supposedly peaceful protest?

Because its America and they still think they're cowboys.

the second amendment! does it really provide security  for americans?

14 hours ago, Lacessit said:

I am wondering when Americans will realise the similarities of Trump and the Proud Boys with Hitler and the Brownshirts. It's quite alarming.

When you want to kill a snake, cut off its head.

Not similar at all. Trump has not advocated genocide, nor confiscation of  personal property nor denial of civil rights for US citizens. There is lots to dislike about Trump and proud boys, but they are not Nazis.

The actions of proud boys are extreme right wing. They are closer to Antifa,  Black Panther,  Malcolm X Black Muslim groups than they are to Nazis. Bigoted, violent, forceful  and selfish they are, but  they are led by an Afro Cuban and welcome ethnically diverse members. 

11 hours ago, Lacessit said:

One day, I am expecting someone to conduct a massacre in America with a surplus tank. It just keeps escalating.

The Founding Fathers never imagined one day there would be guns that could kill and injure hundreds of people in a few minutes.

I would suggest keeping the Second Amendment. It's almost sacred in the US psyche.  However, the ordinary citizen would only be allowed a weapon that could fire a single shot, and had to be reloaded by hand each time.

It probably would not do much for the suicide rate, but it sure as hell would reduce the number of multiple homicides and gun massacres. It would also make Americans think far more carefully before they reached for a firearm.

I agree!   At the time the constitution was written all that was available was single shot black powder muskets and rifles.  Other arms were pike's and bladed weapons such as swords and knives.  If anyone feel's the need to have any of these weapons I have no objection.  No one dreamed when the amendment was drafted that there would be the kinds of powerful weapons we have today.  

 

 

6 hours ago, biggles45 said:

So the leader of the Proud Boys was arrested for burning a banner!  I must have missed the news items where the leaders of the BLM 'protests' were arrested for anything? 

it is because his group stole the banner from a Church. He then publicly said he was the person responsible for the burning of this sign. As per the arrest report; "He was charged with Destruction of Property related to an offense that occurred on Saturday, December 12, 2020 in the 900 block of 11th Street, Northwest," Hickman said. "At the time of his arrest, he was found to be in possession of two high capacity firearm magazines. He was additionally charged with Possession of High Capacity Feeding Device."

 

In the event that any leaders of the BLM publicly brag about their theft and  destruction of property, allowing them to be identified, I think they will also be charged.

16 hours ago, bendejo said:

Armed and stupid.

And crybabies.

https://www.thewrap.com/crying-charlottesville-neo-nazi-leader-turns-himself-into-police/

 

 

They see their chance to "Make America Like Selma, Alabama, c. 1953" slipping away, and they're losing their sh*t. ????

10 hours ago, Acharn said:

I infer you are not an American. Many Trump supporters and all Proud Boys advocate the overthrow of the government, possibly by violence. When I was a kid, the US Attorny General maintained a list of organizations that were said to advocate such policies. They were all Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist. The Proud Boys are particularly committed to the application of violence to political activity. They do not pretend to want peaceful protest.

Thanks, correct I am not American. However I constantly read the news and I think I am well informed.

I know that those boys love their weapons but even they should know that they are not allowed to use them aggressively in Washington DC.

And I am pretty sure if they officially would want to overthrow the government that that would be illegal in the USA.

If they would actively use violence regularly and unprovoked then I guess and hope they would get into legal trouble - even in the USA.

9 hours ago, Patong2021 said:

Not similar at all. Trump has not advocated genocide, nor confiscation of  personal property nor denial of civil rights for US citizens. There is lots to dislike about Trump and proud boys, but they are not Nazis.

The actions of proud boys are extreme right wing. They are closer to Antifa,  Black Panther,  Malcolm X Black Muslim groups than they are to Nazis. Bigoted, violent, forceful  and selfish they are, but  they are led by an Afro Cuban and welcome ethnically diverse members. 

Ethnically diverse members?  Ya gotta be kidding me.  Look at the pics of the Proud Boys.  All white.  Many with nasty tats.  And looking for a fight while drinking.  Terrible group that should be banned.  Or, at least arrested and charged accordingly.  The US doesn't need groups like this.

12 hours ago, Acharn said:

When I was a kid, the US Attorny General maintained a list of organizations that were said to advocate such policies. They were all Communist, Socialist, or Anarchist.

Curious as to what decade you are referring to 

12 hours ago, KhaoYai said:

Because its America and they still think they're cowboys.

Blame John Wayne.

23 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Blame John Wayne.

Blame the NRA who made owning guns political.  They got rich off doing this.

20 hours ago, Neeranam said:

it well out of date and would save many lives if it were taken away.

Surely given the situation at that time (well over a century past) it's no surprise that the writing and adoption this item into law happened.

 

That's a long time ago and the whole situation has changed a lot. It surprises me that nowadays there's not a more civil attitude to guns in the US and at least attitudes and therefore laws which prohibit guns being carried into schools, shopping malls, and in some cases carried by spectators into sporting events.

 

And topping it all in regard to schools we see moves to give teachers gun/shooting lessons. Why are such attitudes still around?

 

I guess a civil society is still centuries away. Sad.

50 minutes ago, scorecard said:

Surely given the situation at that time (well over a century past) it's no surprise that the writing and adoption this item into law happened.

 

That's a long time ago and the whole situation has changed a lot. It surprises me that nowadays there's not a more civil attitude to guns in the US and at least attitudes and therefore laws which prohibit guns being carried into schools, shopping malls, and in some cases carried by spectators into sporting events.

 

And topping it all in regard to schools we see moves to give teachers gun/shooting lessons. Why are such attitudes still around?

 

I guess a civil society is still centuries away. Sad.

It's a ridiculous situation. The people in that country voted for Trump to have 4 years and then an aging Biden, says a lot.

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Blame the NRA who made owning guns political.  They got rich off doing this.

There's also the nonsense with the IRA, who provided them with guns?

1 hour ago, mikebike said:

Curious as to what decade you are referring to 

Probably the 40's or 50's.

14 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It's a ridiculous situation. The people in that country voted for Trump to have 4 years and then an aging Biden, says a lot.

It certainly says a lot about Trump.

1 hour ago, scorecard said:

Surely given the situation at that time (well over a century past) it's no surprise that the writing and adoption this item into law happened.

 

That's a long time ago and the whole situation has changed a lot. It surprises me that nowadays there's not a more civil attitude to guns in the US and at least attitudes and therefore laws which prohibit guns being carried into schools, shopping malls, and in some cases carried by spectators into sporting events.

 

And topping it all in regard to schools we see moves to give teachers gun/shooting lessons. Why are such attitudes still around?

 

I guess a civil society is still centuries away. Sad.

America is not unique in it's proliferation of guns throughout their population; Canada, Switzerland and even Thailand (to name but a few) have plenty of their citizens who own guns yet none of them are anywhere close to the mass muders these countries have. Many explainations have been forthcoming about why this is from American society being unusually violent to its racial divisions, to its citizens lacking proper mental care under a pay for health care system. However the common conclusion is just the sheer volume of guns in America; Americans make up about 4.4 percent of the global population but own 42 percent of the world’s guns. That's a huge number and almost entirely down to the workings of the NRA who have consistently and beligerently stopped so many attempts at limiting the number of guns and the types of guns people can own. Anything that restricts anything regarding gun ownership and they are out in force, lobbying the powers that be to stop or reverse any attempt at sensible gun control and usually winning. Most Americans are all up for sensible gun ownership laws but this continuos onslaught by the NRA means that any converstion is immediately shut down under the all encompassing 'they want to take your guns away!'

 

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/07/world/americas/mass-shootings-us-international.html    

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

There's also the nonsense with the IRA, who provided them with guns?

Some came from the USA, mainly purchased either commercially using funds raised by supporters or (on a couple of occasions) from crooked sources within the military (at least a couple of M60 general purpose machine guns were recovered and traced to National Guard Armouries).

 

Latterly most of the IRA weapons came from Libya.

 

59 minutes ago, Neeranam said:

It's a ridiculous situation. The people in that country voted for Trump to have 4 years and then an aging Biden, says a lot.

In the last two elections, no real choices were given. Hillary or 45? I didn't even bother in that race. To the bone I believe Hillary would have been just as bad in her own evil way. This election? A choice between a douche and a turd sandwich. I made sure and voted TWICE this time for Biden (kidding!!!) as we saw the devastation 45 was capable of.

DC is a gun-free zone.  Knowledgeable gun owner and those who carry but plan interstate travel will check the gun law in individual states and regions they plan to travel though.  Not doing that level of planning is a good way to get arrested.  And their have been something like 70 million new gun purchases registered through the FBI system in 2020.
It's new gun owners that tend to scare me.  No basic firearm training.  No understanding of laws related to firearms.  No common sense.

Bottom line.  DC - gun free.  Get caught, get arrested and prosecuted. 

One wonders.....if DC had the same gun laws as Wisconsin, and a 17 year old Black youth drove 12 hours across State lines with his AR-15, then used it against proud boys he felt threatened him, would evangelicals raise $500K for his defense? Would fox news call him a hero, 'just defending peace'?

 

In a similar vein, if Ilhan Omar packed a handgun when she walked into the House, as the new Rep lauren boebert (R-CO) wants to do, would there be an outcry from repubs, who are silent about boebert?

3 hours ago, connda said:

DC is a gun-free zone.  Knowledgeable gun owner and those who carry but plan interstate travel will check the gun law in individual states and regions they plan to travel though.  Not doing that level of planning is a good way to get arrested.  And their have been something like 70 million new gun purchases registered through the FBI system in 2020.
It's new gun owners that tend to scare me.  No basic firearm training.  No understanding of laws related to firearms.  No common sense.

Bottom line.  DC - gun free.  Get caught, get arrested and prosecuted. 

Not so. Still, if you want to carry a handgun in D.C. you have to apply for a permit. Here's a link to a summary of the situation in D.C.

How Different Do D.C.'s Gun Laws Look 10 Years After Supreme Court's Heller Ruling? | WAMU

 

29 min ago

US Capitol on lockdown after escalating situation among demonstrators

From Ted Barrett and Manu Raju 

John Minchillo/AP

The US Capitol is on lockdown during a tense situation with demonstrators outside the building, according to Capitol police officers.

A CNN employee tried to leave the building and couldn’t because police said the building is on lockdown. 

Congress is currently in session to count and certify the Electoral College votes for president and vice president.

Source: https://edition.cnn.com/politics/live-news/congress-electoral-college-vote-count-2021/index.html