Trump invited supporters to "wild" protest, and told them to fight. They did.

[Pilotman]

The US has turned into a African Banana Republic from the 1970s.  They should all be mortally embarrassed at what they as a Nation are projecting to the rest of the free World, but they should  especially ponder how the hell they managed to elect,  4 years ago, a certifiable lunatic and mentally unstable moron of a man-child. 

[Chomper Higgot]

9 minutes ago, BobBKK said:

 

Absolutely! of course!  I have stated in 3 posts I condemn ALL violence whatever side.

This attack on the Capitol is very much more than just violence.

[Chomper Higgot]

1 minute ago, scammed said:

...and replaced him with an even older fart.

like someone said long ago, its a belief  in age that in its final stage

crystalize into a systematic faith in advanced senility

So you are into agism too.

 

Well of course you are.

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, scammed said:

...and replaced him with an even older fart.

like someone said long ago, its a belief  in age that in its final stage

crystalize into a systematic faith in advanced senility

Biden is not the perfect choice.  But is a Godsend compared to Trump.  Hopefully, the country will begin to heal after his reign of terror is over.  This was all fueled by Trump, as you know.

[spiekerjozef]

Banana Republic

[mfd101]

1 hour ago, Bangyai said:

Authoritarian regimes around the world must be loving this.

Yes, the only people (with a brain) laughing today will be Putin, Xi Jinping & Kim Jong-Un.

Edited January 7, 2021 by mfd101

[Pilotman]

Just now, mfd101 said:

Yes, the only people (with a brain) laughing today will be Putin & Xi Jing Ping & Kim Thingee.

and African Nations, they have been there, done that and wear the T shirt, but it was 40/50 years ago for most of them.  They have grown up, the US has clearly regressed. 

[NanLaew]

1 hour ago, robblok said:

Why is there no mechanism to punish proven falsehoods.

 

He's got himself a 12-hour ban from Twitter.

 

Sorted.

[TooBigToFit]

Some will face jail for their treason but most will just get a lousy t-shirt.

 

[Pilotman]

I bet many will be not be so quick to judge the Thai PM now. I know who I am most happy living under, and its not that lunatic across the Atlantic. 

[scammed]

27 minutes ago, Phoenix Rising said:

''....like someone said long ago..."

So basically, an old fart said it, right?

its from a historian that is long since dead

[Rimmer]

A number of inflammatory posts and replies have been removed, please do not think you can come on here and behave the same way as the people being discussed, you can not, and you will be suspended.

[Jeffr2]

It's over.  The senate has killed the objection to the election.  Brought up by politicians who care more about themselves than the people they represent.

 

Biden is president

Harris is VP

 

The fat lady sung.  Again.

 

P.S.  a lot who said they would support the objection, turned.  Horrible politicians.

 

[scammed]

when did "wild protest" take over "mostly peaceful protest"

in the theoretic ?

[Pilotman]

2 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Brought up by politicians who care more about themselves than the people they represent.

Isn't that the very definition of a politician? 

[scorecard]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

Trump invited supporters to "wild" protest, and told them to fight. They did.

By Steve Holland, Jeff Mason and Jonathan Landay

 

U.S. President Donald Trump speaks during a rally to contest the certification of the 2020 U.S. presidential election results by the U.S. Congress, in Washington, U.S, January 6, 2021. REUTERS/Jim Bourg

 

WASHINGTON (Reuters) -The chaos in the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday unfolded after President Donald Trump spent weeks whipping up his supporters with false allegations of fraud in the Nov. 3 election, culminating in a call to march to the building that represents U.S. democracy.

 

Trump, who has refused to concede that he lost to Democratic President-elect Joe Biden, had urged his supporters multiple times to come to Washington for a rally on Wednesday, the day the U.S. House of Representatives and Senate were scheduled to certify the results of the Electoral College.

 

"Statistically impossible to have lost the 2020 Election," Trump, a Republican, tweeted on Dec. 20. "Big protest in DC on January 6th. Be there, will be wild!"

 

They turned out in the thousands to hear the president say they should march on the Capitol building to express their anger at the voting process and to pressure their elected officials to reject the results.

 

"We’re going to walk down to the Capitol and we’re going to cheer on our brave senators and Congressmen and women," Trump told the crowd, standing with the White House as a backdrop.

 

Speaking at what could be his last rally as the sitting president, Trump exhorted his supporters "to fight."

 

"We will never give up, we will never concede,” Trump said, delighting the crowd by calling Democratic victories the product of what he called "explosions of <deleted>."

 

"<deleted>! <deleted>! <deleted>!" people chanted in reply.

 

About 50 minutes into the speech, some of his supporters, waving Trump flags, began heading toward Capitol Hill, where unprecedented mayhem ensued.

 

Protesters fought through police barricades, stormed the building and entered lawmakers' chambers. The certification process was stopped and Vice President Mike Pence and members of Congress were evacuated.One civilian was shot dead, Washington police said. As night fell, a Capitol official said the building had been cleared, but outside some way from the grounds, scores of protesters remained, including members of militia and far-right groups.

 

'I KNOW YOU'RE HURT'

Monitoring the scenes of violence on cable news television from the Oval Office, Trump tweeted about an hour after the Capitol was put on lockdown that the protesters should "remain peaceful."

 

As criticism mounted that he had incited a riot, he was urged to say more by a Trump stalwart, House Republican leader Kevin McCarthy, and some of the advisers who remain in the White House for his dwindling days in office.

 

Biden had come out forcefully on live television and said the violence was "not a protest, it's insurrection." He called on Trump to demand "an end to this siege."

 

Eventually, Trump posted a recorded video on Twitter.

 

"I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election," Trump said, repeating familiar falsehoods. "But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order."

 

Trump's failure to rein in his supporters stood in sharp contrast to his attitude last summer when he threatened arrests and the use of force to break up protests against racial inequality.

 

Weeks have passed since the states completed certifying that Biden won by 306 votes in the Electoral College to Trump's 232, and Trump's extraordinary challenges to the result have floundered in courts across the country.

 

Yet Trump's rally speech on Wednesday was filled with grievances and voter fraud allegations that have not been backed up with evidence. He singled out several Republican lawmakers for criticism, including Senator Mitt Romney and Representative Liz Cheney, while hailing as heroes those who have sided with him to stop the electoral votes from being certified.

 

Several times he also urged Pence to intervene. But while Trump was still speaking, Pence released a lengthy statement saying he would carry out his constitutional duty to certify the vote.

 

"It is my considered judgment that my oath to support and defend the Constitution constrains me from claiming unilateral authority to determine which electoral votes should be counted and which should not,” Pence wrote.

 

(Reporting by Steve Holland and Jeff Mason; Additional reporting by Timothy Ahmann, Jim Urquhart, Jonathan Landay and Andrea Shalal; Editing by Heather Timmons and Sonya Hepinstall)

 

-- © Copyright Reuters 2021-01-07

 

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Somewhere in all of this is the failure of the GOP and the Democrats to demand that he stop/force him to stop telling his numerous lies about 'stolen the vote/election', etc.

 

They didn't say anything; which in reality gave trump a 'license' to continue spewing his countless dangerous/divisive lies.

 

Even now it's not too late for someone/a group to force him to stop, invoke a legal action, arrest him, jail him if he doesn't comply.

 

I did just note there's discussion in process in Washington DC to invoke the 25th amendment to have him quickly removed from office and held. 

 

 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, scammed said:

when did "wild protest" take over "mostly peaceful protest"

in the theoretic ?

Today at the Capitol building. 

[Bluespunk]

40 minutes ago, spiekerjozef said:

Banana Republic

No it's not.

 

If it was a banana republic trump's actions would have succeeded.

 

Despite this narcissist's attempts to turn the USA into such a state and his encouragement of violence on the part of his supporters, he failed.

 

Just as he has failed as a president.

 

This man is a disgrace as a president and a human being.. 

[Jeffr2]

8 minutes ago, Pilotman said:

Isn't that the very definition of a politician? 

To a certain degree, yes.  But nothing like now.  Politicians supporting such a liar like Trump is unprecedented.  Caring only about their future and not their constituents.

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How long is it going to be before the conspiracy loons claim that the invasion of the Capitol was a false flag operation designed to stop the data dump that would prove the election was stolen? 

Edited January 7, 2021 by placeholder

[mfd101]

Xi Jinping will be wondering whether now is the right moment to make his move on Taiwan. I just hope that US forces in the Pacific are on full alert.

[Jeffr2]

12 minutes ago, placeholder said:

How long is it going to be before the conspiracy loons claim that the invasion of the Capitol was a false flag operation designed to stop the data dump that would prove the election was stolen? 

That's already happening....guess where?  Fox News.  A guy is on there now saying all the violent ones were ANTIFA.  Insane.

[ballpoint]

5 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Xi Jinping will be wondering whether now is the right moment to make his move on Taiwan. I just hope that US forces in the Pacific are on full alert.

Xi Jinping will be quite happy knowing 1.5 Billion Chinese are watching this saying "If that's democracy, then we'll stick with what we've got thanks".

[Tug]

Imo there is a silver lining to this fiasco #1 trump and his todys are exposed naked for all to see perhaps it will inspire the will to come up with legislation to prevent a similar occurrence #2 trumps antics cost the republicans the senate majority Mitch will now be minority leader this as we know will help the Biden administration get us back on course#3 imo this has put trumps antics in a very serious light it diminishes him and his cult all we have to do is keep it on the rails for 2 more weeks then he’s gone off to prison I hope 

[FritsSikkink]

28 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Xi Jinping will be wondering whether now is the right moment to make his move on Taiwan. I just hope that US forces in the Pacific are on full alert.

What has China to do with this mess.

[Berkshire]

3 minutes ago, FritsSikkink said:

31 minutes ago, mfd101 said:

Xi Jinping will be wondering whether now is the right moment to make his move on Taiwan. I just hope that US forces in the Pacific are on full alert.

What has China to do with this mess.

I think his point is that the US is distracted and leaderless at the moment.  If Russia was to invade Alaska right now, Trump wouldn't give a flying hoot.

[Phoenix Rising]

1 hour ago, scammed said:

its from a historian that is long since dead

So, a dead old fart.

[Dagfinnur Traustason]

The essence of a madman!

[Dumbastheycome]

Given this moment in history demonstrating a flaw in the US system perhaps the opportunity exists for an amendment to the US Constitution that provides for some limitations on a demonstrably demented POTUS ? Such as definitively eliminating  pre-emptive and self pardons, invoking meritless attacks on the implementation of the electoral process for personal objectives by way of abuse of power and protection etc etc ?

Can it honestly  be claimed that the US abides by the principles of  democracy when it's president is enabled  to be as unaccountable as a Dictator?

 

 

[placeholder]

5 minutes ago, Berkshire said:

I think his point is that the US is distracted and leaderless at the moment.  If Russia was to invade Alaska right now, Trump wouldn't give a flying hoot.

More likely it would be at Trump's invitation