Analysis - Trump's legacy: A more divided America, a more unsettled world

[candide]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

Really? What political party has consistently downplayed the importance of mask wearing, social distancing, and the gravity of the threat posed by Covid?

Exactly. And in this forum, we have been polluted for months by a barrage of posts from the usual Trumpers. They were claiming it was an attempt by the MSM and the Dems to create panic, an hoax, that it was just another flu, that scientists were "so called" scientists, that scientists were contradicting Trump on purpose, that statistics were rigged, and so on.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, kingdong said:

So the the "science" at the time was...we basically haven,t got a clue,lets  see how it transpires,then we,ll know more, and everyone in my post ,was  referring to the members who posted on the subject,a point i thought would have been obvious,obviously a bit optimistic there.

No, the science at the time was to apply knowledge about corona viruses in general to the Covid 19 strain while learning about the specifics of transmission and treatment of Covid 19. 

 

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Try again.

[heybruce]

4 hours ago, kingdong said:

He could have done a lot of things in hindsight.

Forming policies based upon the best available science does not require hindsight.  It does require intelligence and a desire to act in the country's best interest.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, the science at the time was to apply knowledge about corona viruses in general to the Covid 19 strain while learning about the specifics of transmission and treatment of Covid 19. 

 

The rest of your post makes no sense.  Try again.

I,ve said all i,m going to say on the subject.

[Lacessit]

6 hours ago, Jingthing said:

Indeed. In the Mr. trump era revisionist history often happened within a single sentence in real time. President Biden is trying (it won't be easy) to lead us back into more sanity, where facts and reality trump gaslighting and constant lying. 

One of the first things President Biden has done is sign an executive order masks must be worn in all Federal offices and facilities. He has also mandated 14 days quarantine for all incoming international travelers. One can only wonder how many lives might have saved if Trump had followed the same sensible path.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Lacessit said:

One of the first things President Biden has done is sign an executive order masks must be worn in all Federal offices and facilities. He has also mandated 14 days quarantine for all incoming international travelers. One can only wonder how many lives might have saved if Trump had followed the same sensible path.

One study has said if Trump acted earlier, and policies like wearing a mask, some 70% of those who died would still be alive.

 

That blood is on his hands and those who enabled him.  They should be held responsible for this. 

 

https://www.livescience.com/face-masks-eye-protection-covid-19-prevention.html

 

Face masks may reduce COVID-19 spread by 85%, WHO-backed study suggests

[ExpatOK]

2 hours ago, Lacessit said:

One of the first things President Biden has done is sign an executive order masks must be worn in all Federal offices and facilities. He has also mandated 14 days quarantine for all incoming international travelers. One can only wonder how many lives might have saved if Trump had followed the same sensible path.

14 day quarantine. Wonder where joseph got that idea. LOL.

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, ExpatOK said:

14 day quarantine. Wonder where joseph got that idea. LOL.

Same place Trump didn't get it from?

[rudi49jr]

19 hours ago, Sujo said:

And how he threw the kurds under the bus.

Not to mention the Palestinians. And the Sahrawi, the original inhabitants of Western Sahara, now southern Morocco.

[johnnybangkok]

20 hours ago, kingdong said:

What and "science" at the time had a clear and united view on corona?remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically about the " sweden experement " ,and look at what a roaring sucess that turned out to be.

And most of them were Trump fans.

Those that listened to the science never backed the Sweden experiment

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49 minutes ago, johnnybangkok said:

And most of them were Trump fans.

Those that listened to the science never backed the Sweden experiment

The Swedes took a gamble that a low percentage of the population being infected would get them to herd immunity. Most scientists disagreed with that assessment and it turns out that they were right.

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

And most of them were Trump fans.

Those that listened to the science never backed the Sweden experiment

Link to the respective surveys please.

[ExpatOK]

On 1/20/2021 at 11:25 AM, thaibeachlovers said:

We'll see how that works out after a couple of years of Biden/ Harris in charge.

I'm waiting for the 2022 elections to see how it's gone. Could be he's back even huger than before.

Talk now is President Trump runs for Congress in FL 2022, Red wave, he becomes Speaker of the House and impeaches Harris. He also runs for POTUS in 2024.  Crazy?  Just might work.

[Phulublub]

54 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Swedes took a gamble that a low percentage of the population being infected would get them to herd immunity. Most scientists disagreed with that assessment and it turns out that they were right.

The Swedes, though are largely a responsible lot, who took the advise of ther Government seriously.  They did have some restrictions (contrary to popular myth that they carried on regardless) and also have a very well developed, funded and staffed health system that had flexibility and capacity to treat  many.  It is sad for them that the experiment failed somewhat, but possibly very good for less sensible nations, the inhabitants of which cannot point at Sweden and say "Look, it;s fine, we can do what we want."  Just look at the UK, where the NHS is close to collapse despite lockdowns and other severe restrictions..

 

PH

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, ExpatOK said:

Talk now is President Trump runs for Congress in FL 2022, Red wave, he becomes Speaker of the House and impeaches Harris. He also runs for POTUS in 2024.  Crazy?  Just might work.

Talk from who. Havent heard anything from trump. But agree, yes he is crazy.

 

but i think he will have his hands full in court for a few years.

[unblocktheplanet]

Americans always get what they want, don't they? Ronald Reagan was a B-movie actor foil to a chimpanzee. There was a peanut farmer, a Texas hick, and a Constitutional scholar who eviscerated that foundation.

 

And then a reality TV star, a tricky dealer who inherited his dealings from Daddy. The common thread through all, in terms of a world which does not pivot around the USA?

 

Warmongers, bullies, and wannabes every one. OJ (Old Joe) is unlikely to change that status quo.

 

War on Drugs to War on Terror to War on China, red herrings all.

[heybruce]

6 hours ago, unblocktheplanet said:

Americans always get what they want, don't they? Ronald Reagan was a B-movie actor foil to a chimpanzee. There was a peanut farmer, a Texas hick, and a Constitutional scholar who eviscerated that foundation.

 

And then a reality TV star, a tricky dealer who inherited his dealings from Daddy. The common thread through all, in terms of a world which does not pivot around the USA?

 

Warmongers, bullies, and wannabes every one. OJ (Old Joe) is unlikely to change that status quo.

 

War on Drugs to War on Terror to War on China, red herrings all.

A peanut farmer who served in the US Navy, had a degree in nuclear engineering, and served as a senator and governor in the country's eighth largest state. 

 

How did the "Constitutional scholar" eviscerate "that foundation"?

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Talk now is President Trump runs for Congress in FL 2022, Red wave, he becomes Speaker of the House and impeaches Harris. He also runs for POTUS in 2024.  Crazy?  Just might work.

Is this the latest from Qanon?

[heybruce]

8 hours ago, kingdong said:

Link to the respective surveys please.

Link that supports your claim that everyone thought the Sweden approach was great please.

[kingdong]

2 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Link that supports your claim that everyone thought the Sweden approach was great please.

Deflection.

[heybruce]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Deflection.

Really?  Why not provide links to some of the claims that the Sweden experiment was great so we can look at what else was posted at that time?

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, heybruce said:

Really?  Why not provide links to some of the claims that the Sweden experiment was great so we can look at what else was posted at that time?

Have already adressed your deflecIon point in an earlier post,so perhaps you could please supply links to your post.

[heybruce]

2 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Have already adressed your deflecIon point in an earlier post,so perhaps you could please supply links to your post.

No, you made a claim that was refuted.  You never supported your claim, but you are now asking for sources to support the refutations.

[kingdong]

46 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, you made a claim that was refuted.  You never supported your claim, but you are now asking for sources to support the refutations.

?????? I simply asked you for a link to your claims,a simple civil request that you for whatever reason refuse to acknowledge instead deflecting,i did go back thru my posts but think someone must have reported it.

[kingdong]

54 minutes ago, heybruce said:

No, you made a claim that was refuted.  You never supported your claim, but you are now asking for sources to support the refutations.

I take back what i said,i was conversing with another member ( who did not reply) and you chimed in asking for a link regarding a post i made days ago,i,m sure if the original poster would like to address what i said thats up to him,your contribution however was 3 rd party deflection.

[heybruce]

1 hour ago, kingdong said:

I take back what i said,i was conversing with another member ( who did not reply) and you chimed in asking for a link regarding a post i made days ago,i,m sure if the original poster would like to address what i said thats up to him,your contribution however was 3 rd party deflection.

I simply identified the hypocrisy of demanding substantiation from others when you provide none for your own claims.

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, ExpatOK said:

Talk now is President Trump runs for Congress in FL 2022, Red wave, he becomes Speaker of the House and impeaches Harris. He also runs for POTUS in 2024.  Crazy?  Just might work.

Naw.  Just crazy.  Actually, batsh** insane.

[johnnybangkok]

21 hours ago, kingdong said:

Link to the respective surveys please.

Lol. 

You mentioned 'remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically.........' My observation was that most of those on this forum who did 'wax lyrical' about the Swedish experiment were also anti-mask wearing, anti-lockdown and invariable also Trump fans (surprise, surprise).

I was on the original thread and although anecdotal,  it's an accurate observation.

And no. There's no survey but i look forward to all your comments being backed up by a peer reviewed survey. 

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, johnnybangkok said:

Lol. 

You mentioned 'remember everyone on the forum waxing lyrically.........' My observation was that most of those on this forum who did 'wax lyrical' about the Swedish experiment were also anti-mask wearing, anti-lockdown and invariable also Trump fans (surprise, surprise).

I was on the original thread and although anecdotal,  it's an accurate observation.

And no. There's no survey but i look forward to all your comments being backed up by a peer reviewed survey. 

It's obvious that they were Trump supporters since it absolutely chimes with what they've been claiming about the measures taken in America. Complaints about mask wearing, social distancing. It makes no sense to claim that people who support stricter measures in the USA, you know, progressives would support the more lax measures adopted by the Swedes. Kingdong's claim is obviously nonsense.

[kingdong]

On 1/21/2021 at 5:00 PM, placeholder said:

"Everyone?" On the contrary, it was mainly people who downplayed the seriousness of the threat and the uselessness of masks and social distancing.  Hmmm...what sort of person fits that description? What is his or her usual brand of political opinion? That's a real stumper.

How about anyone in the hospitality buisness,anyone in the retail buisness,shops as opposed to online,theatres,restaurants and every one whos income stopped or was severely diminished by covid these were the " everyone " people i was referring too,said in context it was obvious to whom i was referring,so all these people are trump supporters?