EU stokes anger with plan to restrict vaccine exports through Irish border

[Bluespunk]

4 minutes ago, kingdong said:

I never said you did critisise johnson,and pointed this out in an earlier post stop trying to twist out of it,or better still post the alleged post i posted saying you did.

Yeah sure, that's what you were doing and felt the need to comment as such on a post that had nothing to do with your attached comment...lol

 

Your post

 

"Well it can,t be for his handling of procuring supplies of the corona virus vaccine,,while the eu dithered''

Edited January 31, 2021 by Bluespunk

[kingdong]

5 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

Yeah sure, that's what you were doing and felt the need to comment as such on a post that had nothing to do with your attached comment...lol

Post the post as requested,all you,re doing is digging yourself into a deeper hole. or concede you were wrong.

Edited January 31, 2021 by kingdong

[Bluespunk]

3 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Post the post as requested,all you,re doing is digging yourself into a deeper hole. or concede you were wrong.

LOL...Read the previous post again. It's on page 3 if you want to see it in it's full glory.

 

As to hole digging...ah the irony...

[kingdong]

17 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

LOL...Read the previous post again. It's on page 3 if you want to see it in it's full glory.

 

As to hole digging...ah the irony...

Twisting the night away,

[Bluespunk]

17 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Twisting the night away,

nope

[sandyf]

18 hours ago, nkg said:

 

Predictable attempt from you to justify the EU's actions ????

 

We'd all respect you more if you were prepared to say "The EU got that wrong".

Not trying to justify anything, just highlighting the hypocrisy.

Three weeks ago the DUP were demanding Article 16 was used and Bojo stood in the House and said he would have no hesitation in using it if necessary.

Fast forward and when the EU suggests something similar the hypocrisy flows forth from UK politicians. If Arlene Foster sees Article 16 as an act of hostility then she must accept the same label in respect of her own actions.

Article 16 is not selective, the outcome is the same irrespective of why.

I would suggest that the decision to backtrack was a result of the Irish and EU politicians, rather than anything the UK had to say.

[david555]

16 minutes ago, sandyf said:

Not trying to justify anything, just highlighting the hypocrisy.

Three weeks ago the DUP were demanding Article 16 was used and Bojo stood in the House and said he would have no hesitation in using it if necessary.

Fast forward and when the EU suggests something similar the hypocrisy flows forth from UK politicians. If Arlene Foster sees Article 16 as an act of hostility then she must accept the same label in respect of her own actions.

Article 16 is not selective, the outcome is the same irrespective of why.

I would suggest that the decision to backtrack was a result of the Irish and EU politicians, rather than anything the UK had to say.

 (Something like this ?.... sounds quit the same ....threatening to use aerticle16 ..... but nobody was angry and offended then ....different side different comments....?.nearly 15 days ago ....

 

 

Boris Johnson warns EU he won't hesitate to TEAR UP Brexit deal over NI port chaos
BORIS JOHNSON has said he will have "no hesitation" in ripping up checks on goods to Northern Ireland if problems in trade continue.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1383689/brexit-news-boris-johnson-trade-northern-ireland-protocol-article-16-latest-eu

By DAN FALVEY, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Thu, Jan 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:29, Thu, Jan 14, 2021

Supermarkets in the province have experienced shortages in fresh foods in some areas due to checks on goods travelling from Britain. While the issues have largely been overcome now, British Retail Consortium director Andrew Opie has warned issues are likely to re-emerge in April when a grace period on trade ends.

[nkg]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Not trying to justify anything, just highlighting the hypocrisy.

Three weeks ago the DUP were demanding Article 16 was used and Bojo stood in the House and said he would have no hesitation in using it if necessary.

Fast forward and when the EU suggests something similar the hypocrisy flows forth from UK politicians. If Arlene Foster sees Article 16 as an act of hostility then she must accept the same label in respect of her own actions.

Article 16 is not selective, the outcome is the same irrespective of why.

I would suggest that the decision to backtrack was a result of the Irish and EU politicians, rather than anything the UK had to say.

 

There's a huge difference between talking about the possibility of doing something (invoking Article 16), and actually doing it!

 

I see you're struggling to form those words "The EU .... got ... that ... wro ..." - nope, you're incapable of saying it ????

 

[Loiner]

1 hour ago, sandyf said:

Three weeks ago the DUP were demanding Article 16 was used and Bojo stood in the House and said he would have no hesitation in using it if necessary.

Fast forward and when the EU suggests something similar the hypocrisy flows forth from UK politicians

Absolutely nothing like U.K. hypocrisy. You are Remainer spinning and twisting. 

 

The DUP call was incase the protocol disrupted trade and supply of products into NI. Whereas the EU threat was to actually use the border to prevent supply of products into NI. Not even similar circumstances but totally opposite.

 #EUVaccineGrab

[vogie]

21 minutes ago, Loiner said:

Absolutely nothing like U.K. hypocrisy. You are Remainer spinning and twisting. 

 

The DUP call was incase the protocol disrupted trade and supply of products into NI. Whereas the EU threat was to actually use the border to prevent supply of products into NI. Not even similar circumstances but totally opposite.

 #EUVaccineGrab

I think a lot of remainers now are beginning to see the cracks and the lack of leadership in the EU, but as someone suggested to me, "there are no remainers now, just people who severely dislike the UK" (word changed to protect the innocent).

[Sujo]

All i hear are brexiteers trying to say that all the bad things happening are actually good things because brexit is good.

[vogie]

4 minutes ago, Sujo said:

All i hear are brexiteers trying to say that all the bad things happening are actually good things because brexit is good.

I must admit the threat of jelly shortages made me wobble a bit.

[transam]

6 minutes ago, Sujo said:

All i hear are brexiteers trying to say that all the bad things happening are actually good things because brexit is good.

Link, please........

[transam]

2 hours ago, david555 said:

 (Something like this ?.... sounds quit the same ....threatening to use aerticle16 ..... but nobody was angry and offended then ....different side different comments....?.nearly 15 days ago ....

 

 

Boris Johnson warns EU he won't hesitate to TEAR UP Brexit deal over NI port chaos
BORIS JOHNSON has said he will have "no hesitation" in ripping up checks on goods to Northern Ireland if problems in trade continue.

 

https://www.express.co.uk/news/politics/1383689/brexit-news-boris-johnson-trade-northern-ireland-protocol-article-16-latest-eu

By DAN FALVEY, POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT
PUBLISHED: 00:01, Thu, Jan 14, 2021 | UPDATED: 12:29, Thu, Jan 14, 2021

Supermarkets in the province have experienced shortages in fresh foods in some areas due to checks on goods travelling from Britain. While the issues have largely been overcome now, British Retail Consortium director Andrew Opie has warned issues are likely to re-emerge in April when a grace period on trade ends.

How's your country doing, Dave...?...

 

From your favourite news source....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal......????

Edited January 31, 2021 by transam

[7by7]

On 1/30/2021 at 4:45 AM, superal said:

I hear that Germany tried to procure their vaccine order roughly the same time as the UK in 2020 but were halted by the intervention of the EU bureaucrats who stated that the vaccine order would be a one off order to supply all 27 EU countries . Ironically the UK was still an EU member ( but negotiating Brexit ) when it signed the vaccine order with Astrazeneca .

So wake up Germany and drop the EU cos your hands are tied on any major national decisions . 

 

Where did you hear this?

 

As stated at the time; all 27 EU members could have done the same as the UK and used the appropriate EU regulation to take unilateral action. They all chose not too.

 

Also, other regulators, such as the FDA in the US, chose the more cautious approach followed by the EU27.

 

U.K. coronavirus vaccine authorization prompts grumbling by countries taking slower approach

[david555]

30 minutes ago, transam said:

How's your country doing, Dave...?...

 

From your favourite news source....

 

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2021/jan/15/dutch-government-resigns-over-child-benefits-scandal......????

Still you dont know this is not my country ...is brain problem starting  ..?????

 

Btw  that Dutch government stepped down on that matter ....elections looming ....but of course  a Boris gov. would never keep the honor on them to do such similar, if a scandal would appear .... under the carpet sweaped probably ...

 

I always laugh when i get such remark from you ...it means the fact i pointed  like Boris treathning with art. 16 is toooo much emberassing comparing the E.U. too quick response treath...... which was never activated nor voted only planned....and other E.U. politicians warned about the consequenses it could have about risking a norder ....and so cancelled!

 

Let's wait to U.K to make that same mistake ....sooner or later to hear a different jugment here ...????

[7by7]

21 hours ago, nauseus said:

 

Not what I meant, which was that we should use any and all leverage available to improve the crappy WA and so-called trade deal. That is no different to what the EU has done before and has just tried to do again.  

 

The WA and trade deal both lauded by Johnson as personal triumphs!

[nauseus]

4 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The WA and trade deal both lauded by Johnson as personal triumphs!

 

Of course. What else can he say?

[geisha]

It’s an absolutely shocking action by the EU ( tho many EU members were against it) and they’re up to playing dirty games à la Trump after only 1 month of Britain leaving the EU. The EU , particularly France , is in a right mess with everyone shouting their anger , they’ve ifd and butted throughout the whole whole pandemic, holding up the vaccin approvals  and failing in their own home vaccin . No vaccins for even the aged, a scandal sanitaire and politic. 

[7by7]

The use of Article 16 in this matter was a huge mistake by the EU; one they have rescinded and acknowledged. Although it was not done out of vindictiveness towards the UK; despite the fervent wish of some here that it was so. It was done to prevent suppliers using the the open border between the RoI and NI as a route to other countries.

 

However, it was a foolish and unnecessary action by the Commission; condemned by member states: EU 'fiasco' on N Ireland heaps pressure on Commission

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"Misjudgement", "mismanagement", "blunder"... and words that were far, far stronger.

That's what I've been hearing from EU insiders about the European Commission's initial decision on Friday to suspend part of the Brexit deal agreement on Northern Ireland, in its rush to impose restrictions on Covid vaccines, or components of vaccines, exported from the bloc........

representatives of member states I've spoken to say they were blindsided by the European Commission move.

"We certainly weren't asked about it," one EU diplomat told me. "If we had been, we would have shouted loudly that it was a terrible idea.

 Subsequent pressure from member states, the RoI in particular, has ensured their servant, the Commission, has, rightly, rescinded this terrible decision.

 

Covid: EU and UK 'reset' relations after NI vaccine row

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The UK and European Union will "reset" relations after Brussels triggered a provision in the Brexit deal to control vaccine exports, Cabinet Office Minister Michael Gove has said.

The government is confident that the EU will not block vaccines entering the UK.

It comes after Brussels reversed its widely-condemned decision which could have seen checks at the Irish border.

Mr Gove added the European Commission recognised its "mistake"........

And Foreign Secretary Dominic Raab said he was "reassured the EU has no desire to block suppliers fulfilling contracts for vaccine distribution to the UK" following discussions with European Commission executive vice-president Valdis Dombrovskis.

 

Although a major blunder, the EU did use Article 16 of the WA; unlike Boris who simply threatens to ignore his WA completely and is praised by some for so doing.

[7by7]

22 minutes ago, nauseus said:

27 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

The WA and trade deal both lauded by Johnson as personal triumphs!

 

Of course. What else can he say?

 

How about the truth?

 

You are saying that not only are the WA and Trade deal complete and utter ballocks, but Boris knew this all along!

 

You are saying that he lied to the UK public and to Parliament when he told us all how his WA and his trade deal were so marvellous and his personal triumph!

[kingdong]

1 hour ago, vogie said:

I must admit the threat of jelly shortages made me wobble a bit.

And the pair of clogs i ordered before christmas still haven,t arrived,if i haven,t got them by easter am going to take up morris dancing.

[kingdong]

13 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

The use of Article 16 in this matter was a huge mistake by the EU; one they have rescinded and acknowledged. Although it was not done out of vindictiveness towards the UK; despite the fervent wish of some here that it was so. It was done to prevent suppliers using the the open border between the RoI and NI as a route to other countries.

 

However, it was a foolish and unnecessary action by the Commission; condemned by member states: EU 'fiasco' on N Ireland heaps pressure on Commission

 Subsequent pressure from member states, the RoI in particular, has ensured their servant, the Commission, has, rightly, rescinded this terrible decision.

 

Covid: EU and UK 'reset' relations after NI vaccine row

 

Although a major blunder, the EU did use Article 16 of the WA; unlike Boris who simply threatens to ignore his WA completely and is praised by some for so doing.

Watching sky news last night around 18.00 hrs whete they were in paris interviewing people following a peacefull demonstration that developed into a riot regarding the corona fiasco and the people blamed brussels.

[7by7]

Covid: 'Lessons to be learnt' from NI vaccine row - Irish PM

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"There are a lot of lessons to be learnt," Irish Prime Minister Micheál Martin has said after Brussels reversed its threat to put checks on the Irish border.

This came as part of EU efforts to control vaccine exports, amid dose shortages in the bloc.

People had been "blindsided" by the row but insisted the EU's move was "not an act of hostility," Mr Martin said.

The UK says it is confident the EU will not block vaccines entering the UK.

International Trade Secretary Liz Truss said the president of the European Commission Ursula von der Leyen had assured Prime Minister Boris Johnson that "there will be no disruption of contracts that we have with any producer in the EU".

 

[vinny41]

On 1/30/2021 at 11:45 AM, superal said:

I hear that Germany tried to procure their vaccine order roughly the same time as the UK in 2020 but were halted by the intervention of the EU bureaucrats who stated that the vaccine order would be a one off order to supply all 27 EU countries . Ironically the UK was still an EU member ( but negotiating Brexit ) when it signed the vaccine order with Astrazeneca .

So wake up Germany and drop the EU cos your hands are tied on any major national decisions . 

that is correct

 13 June 2020

AstraZeneca has reached an agreement with Europe’s Inclusive Vaccines Alliance (IVA), spearheaded by Germany, France, Italy and the Netherlands, to supply up to 400 million doses of the University of Oxford’s COVID-19 vaccine

https://www.astrazeneca.com/media-centre/press-releases/2020/astrazeneca-to-supply-europe-with-up-to-400-million-doses-of-oxford-universitys-vaccine-at-no-profit.html

 

And Then we have a press release date 27 August 2020 from the EU comission

The “Inclusive Vaccine Alliance” countries (Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands) who started negotiations with AstraZeneca asked the Commission to take over through an agreement signed on behalf of all Member States.

https://ec.europa.eu/commission/presscorner/detail/en/ip_20_1524

 

75 days difference between 1st Press release and 2nd press release

[7by7]

6 minutes ago, kingdong said:

Watching sky news last night around 18.00 hrs whete they were in paris interviewing people following a peacefull demonstration that developed into a riot regarding the corona fiasco and the people blamed brussels.

 

Not according to this report from Sky News: COVID-19: Paris protests over privacy law boil over amid anger at coronavirus restrictions

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Thousands of demonstrators in Paris were met with water cannon as protests against a new privacy law attracted larger crowds keen to air their grievances over coronavirus restrictions and France's slow vaccine rollout.

 No mention there of any ire directed towards brussels or the commission!

 

The Express doesn't mention French anger at Brussels either: 

Quote

"What started as good natured demonstration about the shortcomings of the way the French government has handled this pandemic has now degenerated into a series of very angry conflicts between the demonstrators and the French riot police."

One protester, Sebastian, told Sky News: "There is frustration here in France because people think we are not doing things as well as other countries."

 

[vinny41]

Commission President Ursula von der Leyen Seeking to Duck Responsibility

 

European Commission President Ursula von der Leyen is trying to get out of the firing line as anger grows over the EU's botched vaccine rollout. It's not the first time in her career that she has sought to evade responsibility.

https://www.spiegel.de/international/europe/europe-s-vaccine-disaster-commission-president-ursula-von-der-leyen-seeking-to-duck-responsibility-a-1197547d-6219-4438-9d69-b76e64701802

 

German politicians and media turn on 'careless' Ursula von der Leyen over Covid vaccine fiasco“

It brings back memories of her leadership style at the defence ministry,”

'The commission president can no longer duck the issue'

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2021/01/29/german-politicians-turn-careless-ursula-von-der-leyen-vaccine/

[7by7]

3 minutes ago, vinny41 said:

<snip>

The “Inclusive Vaccine Alliance” countries (Germany, France, Italy, the Netherlands) who started negotiations with AstraZeneca asked the Commission to take over through an agreement signed on behalf of all Member States.

 

"Asked the Commission to take over."

 

Which is not the same as " Halted by the intervention of the EU bureaucrats!"

 

You seem to have forgotten that the UK government did not authorise the use of the AstraZeneca vaccine until 30th December 2020;  more than 6 months after the first of your press releases!

 

So what is your point?

 

 

[kingdong]

7 minutes ago, 7by7 said:

 

Not according to this report from Sky News: COVID-19: Paris protests over privacy law boil over amid anger at coronavirus restrictions

 No mention there of any ire directed towards brussels or the commission!

 

The Express doesn't mention French anger at Brussels either: 

 

True but when people were being interviewed just after the event the subject was the corona virus and latest development,perhaps you were preparing your tea and scones when this occured.

[Sujo]

1 hour ago, transam said:

Link, please........

You are posting in the link.