57 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

really, I just see complain after complain from the Brexiteers, before as members they had it easy or maybe not easy enough as they decided to leave

 

Wow! Shocking to read about how many hours it takes to do all that paperwork, and how many extra people are now involved in filling in paperwork. Pushing up costs and time - not good for an already ailing shipping industry.

 

If your looking for a silver lining in an increasingly stormy cloud; At least vets have lot's of extra work now!

3 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Not for the EU regulators. You made your bed, now lie in it. ????

 

Regulators who create the endless stream of ridiculous regulations. Jobs for the masses of gravy guzzlers. 

3 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

Dead or living in a poor country like Thailand, Cambodia etc. because their pensions are so meager. They'll still say 'stop slagging our country off' if you dare to mention the catastrophic Brexit affair whilst huddling down in their third world hovel.

If it's so great, why don't they live there anymore?

 

The same reason you live here, probably.

1 hour ago, Mavideol said:

really, I just see complain after complain from the Brexiteers, before as members they had it easy or maybe not easy enough as they decided to leave, Now they have the best deal  with all the goodies they expected and yet keep complaining, UK left the EU and yet the ones that voted for Brexit now are complaining about the inconveniences that came with it, I guess they expected to leave and yet have the same advantages as they had when they were members, just in case you guys didn't know, You Can't Have It Both Ways.... It is what it Is learn how to deal with it

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55887043

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

https://flipboard.com/topic/europe/brexit-71-pages-of-paperwork-for-1-lorry-of-fish/f-be4928145b%2Fbbc.com

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

 

 

 

Ridiculous isn't it?

33 minutes ago, nauseus said:

 

Regulators who create the endless stream of ridiculous regulations. Jobs for the masses of gravy guzzlers. 

 

The size of paperwork is even greater because it is consolidating many sources... all food sources must be traceable...  The required forms are not going to be much different than for many western countries (inside or outside the EU)...  When I lived out east (in Canada) we use to buy some seafood directly off the docks... but it is not technically legal since there are lots of regulations in place to make sure that your catch meets regulations (minimum fish size, maximum catch per licensed fishing boat etc.).  Inside the domestic market all that is regulated, outside of the market (with different regulations) there required documentation to ensure that.   Without such regulations,  the fish stocks in the wild will quickly become depleted again...  If there was a longer transition there might have been time to implement systems that would reduce the amount of manual paperwork.  It is the difference between shipping internally (where all of the catch is regulated the same) and outside (imported) where those regulations may not be the same and the job of the customs regulations like this is to protect the local market from lower standards (as well as to make sure the international treaties are being complied with).  If the UK actually had their systems/staffing in place (likely will take til 2024), the same process for the most part would exist for importers into the UK.    Welcome to being a foreign market...

10 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Will hear the next woes from companies having to re-register all their products again to conform with health, environment, safety EU standards. 

If only there had been someway in which we could have known this beforehand......oh well! Soldier on to the sunny uplands.

 

(Rather be Captain Hindsight than Major Disaster)

31 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

 

The size of paperwork is even greater because it is consolidating many sources... all food sources must be traceable...  The required forms are not going to be much different than for many western countries (inside or outside the EU)...  When I lived out east (in Canada) we use to buy some seafood directly off the docks... but it is not technically legal since there are lots of regulations in place to make sure that your catch meets regulations (minimum fish size, maximum catch per licensed fishing boat etc.).  Inside the domestic market all that is regulated, outside of the market (with different regulations) there required documentation to ensure that.   Without such regulations,  the fish stocks in the wild will quickly become depleted again...  If there was a longer transition there might have been time to implement systems that would reduce the amount of manual paperwork.  It is the difference between shipping internally (where all of the catch is regulated the same) and outside (imported) where those regulations may not be the same and the job of the customs regulations like this is to protect the local market from lower standards (as well as to make sure the international treaties are being complied with).  If the UK actually had their systems/staffing in place (likely will take til 2024), the same process for the most part would exist for importers into the UK.    Welcome to being a foreign market...

 

You seem to be talking about several different things. I was talking about the never-ending array of regulations which might concern anything food to alarm clocks. These are often ridiculously petty, unnecessary and are generated by tens of thousands of very highly paid EU bureaucrats, costing a small fortune. Some of these obviously affect imports and exports to and from the EU. 

 

But the terrible CFP has protected the interests of Dutch and Spanish fishermen more than the fish stocks themselves, just as the costly and wasteful CAP hugely benefits French farmers, more than it actually protects and conserves food resources.

1 hour ago, nauseus said:

 

You seem to be talking about several different things. I was talking about the never-ending array of regulations which might concern anything food to alarm clocks.

 

It's a choice you have to make. You can live in the First world where there a lots of regulations to protect you or you can live in the third world like China or Thailand where there are fake medicines, baby food that will poison your baby and electrical gadgets that will burn your house down or kill you with an electric shock. 

10 hours ago, vogie said:

If it needs explaining to you can I strongly suggest that you are not paying enough attention to particular posters posts. HTH

As I thought, no logical reasoning therefore no explanation. Only hatred.

Do you remember hearing somebody saying Brexit would reduce red tape ?

 

They lied 

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55887043

2 hours ago, tebee said:

 

It's a choice you have to make. You can live in the First world where there a lots of regulations to protect you or you can live in the third world like China or Thailand where there are fake medicines, baby food that will poison your baby and electrical gadgets that will burn your house down or kill you with an electric shock. 

 

Been shopping at Marks & Sparks again?

3 hours ago, tebee said:

 

It's a choice you have to make. You can live in the First world where there a lots of regulations to protect you or you can live in the third world like China or Thailand where there are fake medicines, baby food that will poison your baby and electrical gadgets that will burn your house down or kill you with an electric shock. 

And the EU protect us from having vacuum cleaners that actually have the power to suck stuff up, or having kettles that boil water the same day. What would we do without their protection

A post with a trolling meme removed.

 

14 hours ago, Mavideol said:

really, I just see complain after complain from the Brexiteers, before as members they had it easy or maybe not easy enough as they decided to leave, Now they have the best deal  with all the goodies they expected and yet keep complaining, UK left the EU and yet the ones that voted for Brexit now are complaining about the inconveniences that came with it, I guess they expected to leave and yet have the same advantages as they had when they were members, just in case you guys didn't know, You Can't Have It Both Ways.... It is what it Is learn how to deal with it

 

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-55887043

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

https://flipboard.com/topic/europe/brexit-71-pages-of-paperwork-for-1-lorry-of-fish/f-be4928145b%2Fbbc.com

Brexit: 71 pages of paperwork for 1 lorry of fish

 

 

I am more concerned about the price of cabbages....????

16 hours ago, Eric Loh said:

Not for the EU regulators. You made your bed, now lie in it. ????

Yes, and I feel very comfortable in it, how's the hammock....?   ????

 

 

13 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

 

Wow! Shocking to read about how many hours it takes to do all that paperwork, and how many extra people are now involved in filling in paperwork. Pushing up costs and time - not good for an already ailing shipping industry.

 

If your looking for a silver lining in an increasingly stormy cloud; At least vets have lot's of extra work now!

And clerks......

On 2/2/2021 at 10:23 AM, RuamRudy said:

 

Going back to 2015, certain TVF posters have been regularly predicting the 'imminent demise' of the EU. I think Mystic Meg has had more success than those pundits. 

And on the other hand certain posters have decided after only a month its a failure!  Pass over the crystal ball please!

13 hours ago, 2530Ubon said:

At least vets have lot's of extra work now!

A little over qualified for a pint of milk dont you think? But hey, that's the EU for you.........

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

As I thought, no logical reasoning therefore no explanation. Only hatred.

Most of the xenophobic posts aimed at the British have quite rightly been removed, but your personal attack saying "only hatred" pretty much sums it up, and you don't even know me.

Just wait untill tonights bi monthly meeting down at the local SA (Salvation Army and not the Sturmabteilung as you might think). Imagine their glee when I say someone thinks I am consumed by hatred, they will laugh so much that their bells on their tambourines will reverberate out the tune 'Nearer my God to Thee'

14 minutes ago, sungod said:

And on the other hand certain posters have decided after only a month its a failure!  Pass over the crystal ball please!

Spot on...

8 hours ago, stevenl said:

As I thought, no logical reasoning therefore no explanation. Only hatred.

Hatred, where on earth have you got that from.....????

36 minutes ago, sungod said:

And on the other hand certain posters have decided after only a month its a failure!  Pass over the crystal ball please!

 

Show me the sunny uplands and I will hold my hand up in defeat. Even now, the benefits of Brexit are either nebulous or hypotheticals. 

31 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

Show me the sunny uplands and I will hold my hand up in defeat. Even now, the benefits of Brexit are either nebulous or hypotheticals. 

You don’t think being free to vaccinate 10 million of the most vulnerable people against a virus that has killed millions is a massive benefit? Wow. 

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

You don’t think being free to vaccinate 10 million of the most vulnerable people against a virus that has killed millions is a massive benefit? Wow. 

 

A bit early to start on the sauce, is it not?

Better to live free than be wrapped up in the red tape of the European Union ???????? Britons must also be thankful not being a part of the EU's disastrous Covid virus vaccine roll-out as well.

 

Merkel & Macron under fire over EU’s disastrous Covid vaccine rollout

https://www.the-sun.com/news/2239757/angela-merkel-emmanuel-macron-vaccine-eu-slow/

 

EU BLOW: Shambolic vaccine rollout to cost continent BILLIONS - new analysis

https://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1393610/eu-vaccine-crisis-economic-disaster-ursula-von-der-leyen

 

Europe Is Flirting With a Vaccine Disaster

https://www.bloomberg.com/opinion/articles/2021-01-26/covid-the-eu-is-flirting-with-a-vaccine-disaster

 

21 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

A bit early to start on the sauce, is it not?

 A bit early to judge leaving the EU just over a month ago, is it not?

Just now, sungod said:

 A bit early to judge leaving the EU just over a month ago, is it not?

We were promised a springboard into a better, more prosperous future. We still cannot define what that looks like after 5 years. Not early at all. 

1 minute ago, RuamRudy said:

We still cannot define what that looks like after 5 years.

We thought you remainers had super mystic powers, you have already decided its a failure, but contradict yourself by saying you dont what its going to look like after 5 years!!  You should make your mind up.

19 minutes ago, RuamRudy said:

 

A bit early to start on the sauce, is it not?

Lovely deflection, bravo. ????

 

Feel free to check statistics comparing the UK vaccine rollout compared to member states of the EU.

 

But then, you already knew your precious EU have screwed it up hence the juvenile, banal deflection instead of addressing the issues I raised.

 

BTW, the SNP are screwing it up almost as badly as the EU. But I am sure you are aware of that as well. Andrew Neil summed it up nicely on Twitter.
 

 

 

4 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Lovely deflection, bravo. ????

 

Feel free to check statistics comparing the UK vaccine rollout compared to member states of the EU.

 

But then, you already knew your precious EU have screwed it up hence the juvenile, banal deflection instead of addressing the issues I raised.

 

BTW, the SNP are screwing it up almost as badly as the EU. But I am sure you are aware of that as well. Andrew Neil summed it up nicely on Twitter.
 

 

 

Lovely deflection you say.

 

The thread is UK freight firms struggling with post Brexit red tape.