Ivermectin

[WashingUpagain]

Does anyone know if Ivermectin is available to buy from pharmacies in Thailand?

[internationalism]

yes, it is. Under name iver by atlantic laboratories. Boxes of 12 pills 6mg.

Might be difficult now to get it.

you can try zentar plus imported from india. Combination medicine iver 6mg and albendazole 400mg. Works stronger than iver alone, and is cheaper.

if you need larger quantity veterinarian grade from china will do.

there is an earlier thread about iver

[WashingUpagain]

Brilliant, thank you so much for the reply, I'll pass the info on and also buy some myself once I get over there...

[tz1965]

I bought "Vermectin" made by Atlantic Laboratories. 12 - 6 mg tablets for 1,050 baht.
The pharmacy had to order it but it arrived in about 3 days.

[aroontip]

I've just found this article written in 2013..nearly 10 years ago. Sounds familiar to the current situation and partly related to the drug in question.

 

I'm sure Dr William C. Campbell, 2015 Nobel prize co-winner with Dr Satoshi Omura in the discovering and the use of Ivermectin, has a lot more to say in private about his diplomatic negotiation with Merck in 1970's-1980's. It takes this type of personality and humility to win the war against endemics among the poor.

 

It is apparent that medical science has become a polical tool for the few 1%. We need people with the integrity and strength such as Dr Campbell and Jamie Love in this article!

https://www.theatlantic.com/health/archive/2013/05/how-drug-companies-keep-medicine-out-of-reach/275853/

 

Warning: Very long but interesting read to the end.

 

P.S. I'm getting Ivermectin. I have stronger faith in anecdotal medicines than bureaucratic science...especially in absence of neither proofs.

 

[aroontip]

Oh! You must also listen to Dr Campbell's speech delivered 6 years ago in Stockholm " A reflection on Simplicity" . He's a real scientist!

 

 

[rellim]

En-Dex 4000. 4000 mcg  10 tablets. 50 baht per pack. Available from pet shops in Thailand.  My dogs and I have been taking this for years without any side affects. 

[xylophone]

On 3/5/2021 at 1:22 AM, WashingUpagain said:

Brilliant, thank you so much for the reply, I'll pass the info on and also buy some myself once I get over there...

I hope you are not expecting it to help with covid-19???

See below from MIMS (MIMS, or the Monthly Index of Medical Specialities, is the essential prescribing reference for general practice. MIMS has been providing healthcare professionals with information on prescription medicines since 1959)........

 

The anthelmintic agent ivermectin, tested in the EPIC* trial of 476 patients, did not significantly shorten symptom duration in adults with mild COVID-19.

 

Ivermectin is widely seen as a potential treatment for COVID-19 despite uncertainty about its clinical benefit. But in this double-blind randomized controlled trial, the duration of symptoms was not significantly different for patients treated with a 5-day course of ivermectin vs placebo (median time to resolution of symptoms, 10 vs 12 days; hazard ratio [HR] for resolution of symptoms, 1.07). [JAMA. 2021;325:1426-1435]

 

Interest in ivermectin has snowballed after the release of two publications in 2020: a preprint study that has since been taken down, and an in vitro study that never progressed to clinical trials. [Antiviral Res 2020 Jun;178:104787]

[Danderman123]

If you have parasitic worms, Ivermectin may be useful.

 

If you are worried about Covid, holy water may be more useful. Or go meditate at the temple. Or, get vaccinated.

[Danderman123]

Why is the FDA doing this?

 

Why You Should Not Use Ivermectin to Treat or Prevent COVID-19

 

Also:

 

The drug’s manufacturer, pharma giant MSD, also warned that its analysis of ivermectin identified “no scientific basis for a potential therapeutic effect against Covid-19 from pre-clinical studies”, “no meaningful evidence for clinical activity or clinical efficacy in patients with Covid-19 disease” and “a concerning lack of safety data” in most studies.

 

 

[Danderman123]

Concerning Ivermectin, my position is the same as the medical community: more clinical trials are required to determine safety, efficacy and the appropriate dosage. The same for any other medical “cure” touted by a handful of doctors.

 

We went through this last year with hydroxychlroroquine (HCQ), some doctors swore it was effective, but clinical trials determined it was not. There was one big trial in Michigan that claimed HCQ worked, but it turned out that they were adding a steroid to the medications given out, and it was the steroid that was helping the patients. So, the big clinical trial was a mess.

 

If you want to read more about fake cures, check out Forsythia, this has all happened before.

[xylophone]

The European Medicines Agency and the United States National Institutes of Health have recently stated that one previously promising treatment – the antiparasitic drug, ivermectin – is not recommended for use in routine management of COVID-19 patients.

 

Despite these decisions, support for ivermectin has been circulating on social media and in WhatsApp groups, with rumours abounding that the drug is being blocked on purpose.

 

Some have dubbed it the “new hydroxycholoroquine”, after a treatment that received a significant amount of online support but was found in trials to be ineffective against COVID-19.

 

How did a drug mainly used to treat intestinal parasites in cows come to be of interest to doctors treating humans with COVID-19?

 

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/ivermectin-why-potential-covid-treatment-isnt-recommended-use

[internationalism]

iver was used experimentally for SARS, dengue, zika, chikungunya and others. 

 

from 2016 "Discovery of berberine, abamectin and ivermectin as antivirals against chikungunya and other alphaviruses"

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S0166354215300516

 

"The broad spectrum antiviral ivermectin targets the host nuclear transport importin α/β1 heterodimer"

https://research.monash.edu/en/publications/the-broad-spectrum-antiviral-ivermectin-targets-the-host-nuclear-

 

this one includes thai scientists "Ivermectin for adult patients with dengue infection"

file:///C:/Users/JJ-PC/Downloads/O0821_abstract.pdf

 

it has also anticancer properties "Ivermectin converts cold tumors hot and synergizes with immune checkpoint blockade for treatment of breast cancer"

https://www.nature.com/articles/s41523-021-00229-5

[xylophone]

56 minutes ago, Danderman123 said:

Concerning Ivermectin, my position is the same as the medical community: more clinical trials are required to determine safety, efficacy and the appropriate dosage. The same for any other medical “cure” touted by a handful of doctors.

 

We went through this last year with hydroxychlroroquine (HCQ), some doctors swore it was effective, but clinical trials determined it was not. There was one big trial in Michigan that claimed HCQ worked, but it turned out that they were adding a steroid to the medications given out, and it was the steroid that was helping the patients. So, the big clinical trial was a mess.

 

If you want to read more about fake cures, check out Forsythia, this has all happened before.

Dr Stephen Karanja a doctor in Kenya who advised citizens against getting vaccinated has died from coronavirus.

 

Karanja remained staunch the current global rollout of the fast-tracked vaccine was "totally unnecessary, making the motivation suspect".

 

He instead endorsed alternative treatments for Covid-19, including hydroxychloroquine and the hotly-debated Ivermectin.

 

"There are drugs that have been repurposed and used effectively to treat Covid-19," he said in a March statement.

 

"We advise that a Covid-19 vaccine is unnecessary and should not be given. We appeal to all the people of Kenya to avoid taking it."

 

https://www.nzherald.co.nz/world/covid-19-coronavirus-doctor-dies-after-declaring-vaccine-unnecessary/Z3LNYBRD4FPM4L5QTZIW36TFMA/

[cclub75]

1 hour ago, xylophone said:

The European Medicines Agency and the United States National Institutes of Health have recently stated that one previously promising treatment – the antiparasitic drug, ivermectin – is not recommended for use in routine management of COVID-19 patients.

 

 

Again, you cite :

-reports coming from institutions (not labs nor researchers)

EMA, FCC, in France ANSM... The same institutions that do not recommend ivermectine (because not enough data, or "poor quality data", etc.) recommend products based on new technologies, mRNA, in emergencies procedures (without any data long term, and with just clinical trials data... conducted and given by the manufacturers !!!).

 

-the "in vitro" argument... putting on the side the dozen of studies and testimonies on field, with real patients.

 

-the "one versus the nother" argument : we never said that ivermectine should replace vaccines. Why do you try to oppose them ? We should have both : drugs to treat sick people, and vaccine to protect people at risks.

 

To summarize : your rebuffal is deeply flawed.

 

Last but not least : it's a risk/benefit balance.

 

Ivermectine is used since... 40 years (mRNA vaccines since... 1 year !), and its perfectly safe, and it costs nothing (no more IP rights).

 

Worst case scenario : ivermectine is not effective against Covid.

 

Best case scenario : it reduces Covid mortality.

 

So why we shouldn't try ?

 

It's plain rational thinking.

 

But to reject ivermectine like you do, it's totally irrational.

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by cclub75

[xylophone]

1 hour ago, cclub75 said:

Ivermectine is used since... 40 years (mRNA vaccines since... 1 year !), and its perfectly safe, and it costs nothing (no more IP rights).

 

Perfectly safe in animals, although it can cause seizures and liver damage, amongst other serious side effects in humans. 

 

Putting aside any flippancy on my part, if there was something out there which was effective, then surely the countries which are experiencing hundreds of thousands of deaths would be using it.

 

On that note, India still does use it and it has gotten them absolutely nowhere, as can be seen here: –

 

India is fighting a healthcare crisis of unimaginable proportions with woefully outdated science.

 

The official Covid-19 treatment protocol in India continues to encourage the use of treatments that many scientists across the world have written off.

 

Even though these guidelines were revised by the country’s scientific task force on April 22, some of the recommendations in the new document are the same as the initial set that the government had announced in March 2020, when the world hardly knew anything about this virus and Covid-19 cases were only beginning to emerge in India.

 

A delay in updating these guidelines has led doctors to continue prescribing drugs such as hydroxychloroquine, favipiravir, and ivermectin, which showed early promise but were quickly found to be ineffective. 

 

https://qz.com/india/2003471/india-is-still-using-a-woefully-outdated-covid-19-treatment-plan/ 

 

 

 

[cclub75]

We all agree that we are at war against Covid.

That it's a global threat to humankind.

Isn't it ?

In that case we should throw everything we can at the virus : old drugs, new drugs, vaccines etc.

Everything in order to win this war.

But why institutions, medias and people on this forum just keep repeating that ivermectine could not possible work against Covid ?

The same people who affirm that we do not have enough data, or that data are of "poor quality"  regarding ivermectine should be the first to launch super large trials, right ?

In order to get those definitive data.

That would be the rational way of doing things.

So why just discard something, anything (proven not toxic and not expensive) by principle ?

It's not the scientific way... It's even totally unscientific !

Even if there was 1 chance in  a million that this molecule could be effective against the terrible virus... It would be worth to try.

[aroontip]

https://trialsitenews.com/thailands-largest-hospital-to-initiates-ivermectin-clinical-trial-in-covid-19-patients/

[xylophone]

Your information as regards safety contradicts many other trials and outcomes, and it is VERY dangerous when used outside of the recommendation to treat parasitic infections.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet

 

Serious side effects include liver damage and........

 

Ivermectin oral tablet can interact with other medications, vitamins, or herbs you may be taking. 

 

Warfarin is a drug used to thin your blood. Taking warfarin with ivermectin can thin your blood too much and cause dangerous bleeding.

 

Ivermectin can cause a severe allergic reaction. Symptoms can include: trouble breathing, swelling of your throat or tongue, skin rash.

 

For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.

 

AND from the FDA: FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).

 

Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.

 

 

On 5/2/2021 at 5:02 PM, aroontip said:

https://trialsitenews.com/thailands-largest-hospital-to-initiates-ivermectin-clinical-trial-in-covid-19-patients/

 

 

That study was started almost a year ago and I don't see any great use of Ivermectin in Thailand.....this esp as one would have thought Thailand, with its inability to source the vaccines, would be on to this like a shot if it worked!!

 

[aroontip]

39 minutes ago, xylophone said:

Your information as regards safety contradicts many other trials and outcomes, and it is VERY dangerous when used outside of the recommendation to treat parasitic infections.

 

https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/ivermectin-oral-tablet

 

Serious side effects include liver damage and........

 

Ivermectin oral tablet can interact with other medications, vitamins, or herbs you may be taking. 

 

Warfarin is a drug used to thin your blood. Taking warfarin with ivermectin can thin your blood too much and cause dangerous bleeding.

 

Ivermectin can cause a severe allergic reaction. Symptoms can include: trouble breathing, swelling of your throat or tongue, skin rash.

 

For seniors: Your liver may not work as well as it used to. This can cause your body to process drugs more slowly. As a result, more of this drug can stay in your body for a longer time. This raises your risk of side effects.

 

AND from the FDA: FDA has not approved ivermectin for use in treating or preventing COVID-19 in humans. Ivermectin tablets are approved at very specific doses for some parasitic worms, and there are topical (on the skin) formulations for head lice and skin conditions like rosacea. Ivermectin is not an anti-viral (a drug for treating viruses).

 

Taking large doses of this drug is dangerous and can cause serious harm.

 

 

 

 

That study was started almost a year ago and I don't see any great use of Ivermectin in Thailand.....this esp as one would have thought Thailand, with its inability to source the vaccines, would be on to this like a shot if it worked!!

 

I fear, like most places, it has become political.

 

Money from vaccination comes first!

[tlandtday]

So we have ivermectin used safely for decades and proven effective against parasites and now possibly viruses.  And we have a host of rna vaccinations representing a new and completely different method of operation without the full amount of testing done in the past.   I am not saying that vaccines will not work against covid but I am also saying ivermectin may do the trick.

 

Big pharma has never liked simple cost effective solutions.  And imagine the egg on the face of those who pushed lockdowns etc. if a simple tablet like ivermectin worked.  

 

We don't know for sure but certainly don't discount it.

[metisdead]

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[cclub75]

On 5/14/2021 at 8:32 PM, partington said:

 

Be rational!

 

Exactly.

 

Like the 233 849 people in the city of Mexico infected by Covid, who participated in this new study (156 468 without ivermectin, control, and 77 381 who took ivermectin kit)

 

Study : https://osf.io/preprints/socarxiv/r93g4/

 

Conclusion ?

 

"We found a significant reduction in hospitalizations among patients who received the ivermectin-based medical kit; the range of the effect is 52%- 76% depending on model specification."

 

The WHO and the you are probably going to say that 233 849 is not enough. ????

 

Rationality indeed.

 

[kevinsan]

Moxidectin - 23 day half-life. Same avermectin family.

[gilkovitch]

the original question was "Does anyone know if Ivermectin is available to buy from pharmacies in Thailand?"

 

not a fighting about good or not good ! 

 

where i can buy in Thailand ?

[CALSinCM]

Look on Lazada if you're not adverse to buying it in the pet section.  Cheap as dirt.

[CALSinCM]

On 4/30/2021 at 12:06 AM, aroontip said:

P.S. I'm getting Ivermectin. I have stronger faith in anecdotal medicines than bureaucratic science...especially in absence of neither proofs.

Very well stated. When massive amounts of money and media coverage is poured into attempting to discredit alternative (and inexpensive) treatments you have to assume that where there is smoke there is fire. Especially when you can find clinical studies supporting the use of the drug with Covid. Third world countries are looking for alternative treatment protocols as the expensive Western medicines are pretty much out of most third-worlder's budgets - individual and governments.  The pharmaceutical companies seem to work with western governments and media outlets to discount anything this isn't covered by one of their patents and that can make them tons of money.  It's too obvious not to see.  So yeah.  Seeing that hydroxycloriquine is almost impossible to find, Ivermectin is now in our family medicine cabinet for a rainy day. 

Edited May 19, 2021 by CALSinCM

[CALSinCM]

It seem for every study like this big pharma funds a study or two to go out and discount the findings.  When you see that level of desperation you have to question the motive.
The big boys want to sell you the most expensive medicine they make and too bad if the poor people can't afford it. 
Trust science as long as it's Ok'ed by big Western pharmaceutical companies is the message.  But I don't trust big Western pharmaceutical companies or their facilitators in the US FDA as they are all one big club and we ain't in it.  So we do our own research and draw our own conclusions.  For those who wish to put their trust in big pharma and big government - feel free.  Personally I'll do as I see fit.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2020/10/27/2020.10.26.20219345.full.pdf

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[partington]

1 hour ago, CALSinCM said:

It seem for every study like this big pharma funds a study or two to go out and discount the findings.  When you see that level of desperation you have to question the motive.
The big boys want to sell you the most expensive medicine they make and too bad if the poor people can't afford it. 
Trust science as long as it's Ok'ed by big Western pharmaceutical companies is the message.  But I don't trust big Western pharmaceutical companies or their facilitators in the US FDA as they are all one big club and we ain't in it.  So we do our own research and draw our own conclusions.  For those who wish to put their trust in big pharma and big government - feel free.  Personally I'll do as I see fit.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/medrxiv/early/2020/10/27/2020.10.26.20219345.full.pdf

This is simply absurd. Big pharma doesn't fund studies into unpatentable drugs, why would they? Moreover studies do not have predictable outcomes, which is why you do them in the first place, so such a study could end up showing that a drug they wanted to "discount" actually works.

 

 If you therefore actually think that all the medical trial co-ordinators, scientists and clinicians running  trials together with the FDA, usually many hundreds of workers,  conspire to deliberately falsify all the results of properly planned and performed randomised double-blinded studies to get a result they want, then you are a bit deluded.

 

The vast majority of people who have have trained for many years in science, medicine, and clinical trial co-ordination have the same ethics that you or I have, wanting to spend their lives doing the best job they can in determining which medicines really work, and which are too dangerous to be used.

 

Dexamethasone, a cheap and generic drug was found to reduce Covid deaths by more than 20% in a study in the UK, and is now in use world wide. This was not stopped or discounted by big pharma, because it could be proved to work.

 

As yet, Ivermectin has not and this is why there is scepticism. As soon as it is proved to be effective it will be adopted. Most people do not want other people to die!