Just now, KhaoYai said:

What's wrong with that is that ability to pay determines your elgibility to good health - that can never be right.

And how is that different from health care availability now? Answer. Not at all.

Just now, KhaoYai said:

Rarely is it possible to know who someone is from one word - congratulations, you bucked the trend.

Thanks.

 

You think i'm the only one with that answer...........what planet are you on?

1 hour ago, Puccini said:

n a way, it is already an open market, with vaccine manufacturers prioritising shipments to the highest bidders. AstraZeneca, for example, is supplying the EU with only a fraction of the contracted quantities and was caught shipping the vaccine instead to Australia, with which it made later contracts at a higher price.

That is not true.  The EU ordered their vaccines 3 months after the UK and only approved them recently - then they wanted them yesterday.  If you were a manufacturer waiting for an approval, bearing in mind that these vaccines have a shelf life, what would you do?

 

The EU also refused to approve the AZ vaccine for over 65's until last week - that has caused suspicion amongst some EU citizens leading to a substantial resistance to having the AZ vaccine.  I saw a report yesterday that Germany for example, has only used 10% of its AZ stock.  The EU has mishandled its vaccine programme badly, so much so that some member states have gone it alone and ordered their own vaccines. The EU now seeks to blame others for its own mistakes.

3 hours ago, VBF said:

Of course, no Westerner living in or visiting Thailand should have an expectation of free health care anyway - should they?

 

 

Indeed not.

12 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

You think i'm the only one with that answer...........what planet are you on?

No I don't think that at all - I'm gobsmacked at the amount of people that feel that way but I think I can guess which country many come from.

 

It does not surprise me however, that more humans are selfish than are altrusitic - that doesn't make the majority right.

Just now, KhaoYai said:

No I don't think that at all - I'm gobsmacked at the amount of people that feel that way but I think I can guess which country many come from.

You need to get out more if you're gobsmacked about something like that.

 

I reckon about 90%++ people would give the same answer as i did.

1 minute ago, HashBrownHarry said:

You need to get out more if you're gobsmacked about something like that.

I don't need to do anything thank you - I'm perfectly happy to put others before myself.

22 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Thailand is NOT charging any money for the jabs. You just have to wait your turn. Just like back home.

So why has the Public Health Ministry suggested private companies be allowed to import another 15-20 million doses, which is the shortfall on the vaccines needed.

3 minutes ago, HashBrownHarry said:

I reckon about 90%++ people would give the same answer as i did.

I don't know where you're from but there's a video - probably available on youtube that illustrates exactly what's wrong with your kind of thinking - and as it happens, how selfishness can backfire.

 

The video is from the start of the UK lockdown last year.  It shows a nurse in tears, she arrives at a supermarket after finishing a very long shift treating Covid patients and finds that selfish panic buyers have emptied the shelves. Think about that.

5 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

I don't need to do anything thank you - I'm perfectly happy to put others before myself.

Aw.....that's sweet.

1 minute ago, KhaoYai said:

I don't know where you're from but there's a video - probably available on youtube that illustrates exactly what's wrong with your kind of thinking - and as it happens, how selfishness can backfire.

 

The video is from the start of the UK lockdown last year.  It shows a nurse in tears, she arrives at a supermarket after finishing a very long shift treating Covid patients and finds that selfish panic buyers have emptied the shelves. Think about that.

You're comparing apples and oranges.

 

If you always want to put people before yourself there's a good chance you'll be walked all over quite a few times throughout your life.

 

If paying for something to jump the line is an option, i'm in like Flynn.

 

 

3 hours ago, Tony125 said:

COVAX has delivered over 20 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to 20 countries.

 

https://fb.watch/42_KgxYSYH/

COVAX has delivered over 20 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to 20 countries.

5 minutes ago, Tony125 said:

COVAX has delivered over 20 million COVID-19 vaccine doses to 20 countries.

Just 7.75 billion to go then

35 minutes ago, KhaoYai said:

What's wrong with that is that ability to pay determines your elgibility to good health - that can never be right.

But it's the current reality. You should know that.  I'm not saying it's good. Just the current reality globally.

18 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

So why has the Public Health Ministry suggested private companies be allowed to import another 15-20 million doses, which is the shortfall on the vaccines needed.

I'm guessing because they didn't pay the big money western countries did to get first crack at the jabs.  And Thailand is far from the only one like this.

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

But it's the current reality. You should know that.  I'm not saying it's good. Just the current reality globally.

I agree but it shouldn't be.

On 3/5/2021 at 3:22 AM, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The way I look at it, you can wait until who knows when to get the (probably) Chinese vaccine via the TH government program....

 

Or, you can get the vaccine of your preference in the pretty immediate future by paying a bit of money... The way things are looking, I'll take the get sooner, have my own choice, pay option.

 

yeah and make sure you save a bed when you get covid-19 after the vaccines. You will be getting the Chinese vaccines which is under 60% efficient.- the Chinese point of view. who care about few million people.

 

Astra Zeneca is being down grade in Europe. People in Italy and Germany does have confidence in the vaccine, The US has not approved it. 

It is OK for 3rd world countries 

 

money loaded like you can afford spending the money. expect to paying more than the Bht 4k.. 

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13 minutes ago, the green light said:

yeah and make sure you save a bed when you get covid-19 after the vaccines. You will be getting the Chinese vaccines which is under 60% efficient.- the Chinese point of view. who care about few million people.

 

Astra Zeneca is being down grade in Europe. People in Italy and Germany does have confidence in the vaccine, The US has not approved it. 

It is OK for 3rd world countries 

 

money loaded like you can afford spending the money. expect to paying more than the Bht 4k.. 

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China's transparency with regards to the jab is lacking. With that being said. Unless you do a side by side test, at exactly the same time, with a similar population, it's impossible to compare the jabs. Impossible.

 

Thailand will be manufacturing the AZ jab. And with private hospitals offering alternatives, it's quite nice being here. 4k is peanuts.

On 3/5/2021 at 3:00 PM, MadMac said:

You never need to wait long to see the greed popping up in this country. Big money to make easily.

 

Some people really need to go back home. Everything in Thailand is bad, but they still want to live here.

 

Unlike the OP, I can afford it,  so prefer the option of paying and choosing which one I feel is the best for me rather than one assigned by the govt. 

 

Happy with it 

2 hours ago, Puccini said:

In a way, it is already an open market, with vaccine manufacturers prioritising shipments to the highest bidders. AstraZeneca, for example, is supplying the EU with only a fraction of the contracted quantities and was caught shipping the vaccine instead to Australia, with which it made later contracts at a higher price.

Not sure where you're getting this from. There's certainly nothing in the link you posted suggesting that AstraZeneca is selling the vaccine to the Australians at a higher price.

 

The reality is that Oxford University and AstraZeneca, who are jointly responsible for the vaccine, have committed to providing the vaccine everywhere on the world on an entirely non-profit basis for as long as the pandemic lasts. A joint statement from them says:

 

Quote

"A key element of Oxford’s partnership with AstraZeneca is the joint commitment to provide the vaccine on a not-for-profit basis for the duration of the pandemic across the world, and in perpetuity to low- and middle-income countries.” 

 

Oxford-AstraZeneca vaccine

 

1 hour ago, HashBrownHarry said:

Thanks.

 

You think i'm the only one with that answer...........what planet are you on?

You're not - it may not be the politically-correct answer but it's the realistic one!

What was it Orwell wrote...."All men are created equal, but some are more equal than others"

On 3/5/2021 at 4:28 AM, Jingthing said:

Hmm.

Didn't expect to have that much of a choice.

The Johnson and Johnson is only one shot.

So are they going to double price that one?

Aside from concerns about getting genuine vaccines even though Moderna and Pfizer might be superior they require a much more difficult storage. My initial reaction is to prefer a vaccine only needing basic refrigeration.

Moderna, which I've had 2 jabs already, is easier to store and transport than Pfizer. 

Moderna Announced Longer Shelf Life for its COVID-19 Vaccine at Refrigerated Temperatures. Vaccine candidate now expected to remain stable at standard refrigerator temperatures of 2° to 8°C (36° to 46°F) for 30 days, up from previous estimate of 7 days

November 16, 2020 at 6:52 AM EST

Just now, jonnit said:

Moderna, which I've had 2 jabs already, is easier to store and transport than Pfizer. 

Moderna Announced Longer Shelf Life for its COVID-19 Vaccine at Refrigerated Temperatures. Vaccine candidate now expected to remain stable at standard refrigerator temperatures of 2° to 8°C (36° to 46°F) for 30 days, up from previous estimate of 7 days

November 16, 2020 at 6:52 AM EST

Yeah I see that now.

Between Moderna and JJ,  I'm really not sure.

On 3/5/2021 at 3:00 PM, MadMac said:

You never need to wait long to see the greed popping up in this country. Big money to make easily.

 

 Aka , known as Thai Culture .

40 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

Yeah I see that now.

Between Moderna and JJ,  I'm really not sure.

 

Apples and pears. The JJ is a workhorse that could end the pandemic in USA within weeks or months.  It's good.

 

If given a choice, I think everyone would want the Moderna vaccine.

1 hour ago, the green light said:

yeah and make sure you save a bed when you get covid-19 after the vaccines. You will be getting the Chinese vaccines which is under 60% efficient.-

 

I think you totally missed the/my point...

 

One big reason for choosing the private hospital/pay yourself option (if it ever becomes available with the government's blessing) is to be able to choose the approved vaccine of your choice, presumably one of the several well-rated, western-developed and tested ones.

 

Why in the world would anyone go to a private hospital and pay money for the Chinese Sinovac vaccine, when it's likely going to be available to them thru the government's free vaccine program at some point, either Sinovac or the AstraZenica one....

 

(One reason might be simply wanting to jump to the front of the vaccine line vs. farangs being at the tail end of the line under the government's program. But if a farang type is gonna pay for a vaccine at a private hospital, odds are, they're not going to be choosing the Sinovac one.

 

 

 

4 hours ago, theonetrueaussie said:

I will let all you guys get the vaccine and see the side effects and then buy it in 6 months time for 300 thb ???? Assuming you guys don't develop any bad complications or side effects from the vaccine, in which case I will pass thanks ???? 

 

That's one option, though I doubt any of the western vaccines are ever going to get priced down to the cheap level you suggest in Thailand, no matter how long you wait.

 

The risk, of course, is that you might wait months and end up contracting COVID along the way, with the potential to get very seriously ill, depending on your age and general physical conditions.

 

For me, generally speaking, I don't want to risk contracting a serious illness requiring heavy duty medical care in Thailand, if I can possibly avoid it, which would include spending a bit of money on an effective western vaccine -- the price of which pales in comparison to a Thai hospital stay, especially a serious illness one.

 

 

 

5 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

For me, generally speaking, I don't want to risk contracting a serious illness requiring heavy duty medical care in Thailand, if I can possibly avoid it, which would include spending a bit of money on an effective western vaccine -- the price of which pales in comparison to a Thai hospital stay, especially a serious illness one.

Good point. See it as a form of insurance, if you catch covid, even an asymptomatic case in Thailand means a 2 week at least stay in hospital. Better to pay the 3/4k fee for a good vaccine and have less to worry about.

On 3/5/2021 at 3:21 PM, BritManToo said:

Yet the UK manufacturer is selling the vaccine at $5 a shot (OK $7.50 to South Africa).

Why can't the Thai hospitals buy it at the open market rate?

Israel paid US$10-23 for Pfizer vaccine.

 

I would have no problem paying this. However, I would not get the Chinese junk, even if it was free. I would pay for quality. Like the Moderna, or the Pfizer. As long as Thailand insists on using the lowest quality vaccine around, they run the risk of losing hundreds of billions of dollars, over the next several years on tourism, not to mention the possibility of a 3rd wave. What we are witnessing is beyond dumb.