2 hours ago, shy coconut said:

I think there should be another referendum.

 

Brexit, and especially the way the Scottish people voted in that referendum, has 

made the UK and union a different place to what it was at the time of the original

independence vote.

 

I would imagine the outcome would be far closer, but it would have to be a hell of a swing

to make a convincing case for leaving, but if 52% is enough to leave the EU, then it should 

be enough for independence.

 

The latest poll is showing 52% against Independence,and that will go higher once the Parliamentary Committee's findings are published in relation to the Scottish Government cover ups in  the Salmond case.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Scotland should be independant, so should Ireland, Wales, Cornwall, and anyone else

that finds Westminster devious and treacherous. I have put forward plans for independance

for Essex, the reply was 'One thing at a time', probably to humour me, but I remain adamant.

 

Just now, Bluespunk said:

LOL..it was vogie's post that said that though...not mine.

Yes...my bad (as the kids say).....taking a quote from a quote...sozman

5 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how do you know that Vogie, are you a fortune teller,

Think he must also have access to this........quote

 

If you can foretell the future I can only assume that you must have inherited SpideysCrystal ball 

13 minutes ago, Bluespunk said:

I've answered all your relevant points despite your deflections.

 

The last referendum was before the uk left the EU, against the wishes of The Scots.

 

Circumstances are different now and people should be allowed to vote on whether they accept these or wish to leave the union.

 

Many have changed their view since brexit.

 

Why are you so afraid of a referendum?

 

Oh and do leave the fascist hyperbole out of this...that's just project fear nonsense...

Oh and do leave the fascist hyperbole out of this...that's just project fear nonsense...

 

And what do you call someone who ignores democratic decisions

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

And what do you call someone who ignores democratic decisions

It wasn't ignored....Scotland remained part of the UK.

28 minutes ago, Beachcomber said:

I don't have a opinion either way but seems to me that to give independence of a country that has its foremost two leaders squabbling like a couple of spoilt brats over some personal slight would just be downright irresponsible.

but you do have an opinion either way. You dont think scots should decide what they want.

Yes, let them become independent

 

It's no different to Cambodia being independent from Thailand

 

As long as Scotland isn't then included in foreign aid list that is..

24 minutes ago, vogie said:

Oh and do leave the fascist hyperbole out of this...that's just project fear nonsense...

 

And what do you call someone who ignores democratic decisions

Hmm, now what do you call someone  who refuses to allow nation a vote on their independence but instead binds them to a union they no longer wish to be a part of?

13 minutes ago, Mavideol said:

how do you know that Vogie, are you a fortune teller, palm & tarot card reader or did you conducted your own survey/poll.... let the people of Scotland decide or their future not you nor the puppets in Westminster

Not wanting to sound repetitive, I know because the Scots have already voted to remain and why are you trying to deny the will of the majority of Scots that have already taken a vote on this matter and decided to remain, you are not being very democratic now are you. Can you not go with the will of the Scots and not the nationalists who are in the minority.

Just now, cyril sneer said:

As long as Scotland isn't then included in foreign aid list that is..

Do we still have one?

20 minutes ago, Jimbo53 said:

The latest poll is showing 52% against Independence,and that will go higher once the Parliamentary Committee's findings are published in relation to the Scottish Government cover ups in  the Salmond case.????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

So what. Put it to a vote and let them decide after such a huge change. 

 

Its up to them. To stay or not should be up to no one but them.

9 minutes ago, vogie said:

And what do you call someone who ignores democratic decisions

I know what do you call a Chinese woman with a food mixer on her head....but I don't know this one...

3 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

It wasn't ignored....Scotland remained part of the UK.

Not by the SNPs choice, if it was up to Sturgeon to break away from the English she would be away faster than a rat up a drainpipe.

2 minutes ago, Surelynot said:

I know what do you call a Chinese woman with a food mixer on her head....but I don't know this one...

Wot wen wong?

4 minutes ago, vogie said:

Not wanting to sound repetitive, I know because the Scots have already voted to remain and why are you trying to deny the will of the majority of Scots that have already taken a vote on this matter and decided to remain, you are not being very democratic now are you. Can you not go with the will of the Scots and not the nationalists who are in the minority.

Another country refusing a country a democratic right to vote is undemocratic. How odd.

 

They voted to remain in eu.

 

Simple really. Let them vote on whether they want to be part of a uk that isnt part of the eu.

 

You do realise the last vote was to stay with a uk that was part of the eu dont u.

3 minutes ago, vogie said:

Wot wen wong?

Good effort....Blenda (is that a tad racist?)

5 minutes ago, vogie said:

Not by the SNPs choice, if it was up to Sturgeon to break away from the English she would be away faster than a rat up a drainpipe.

Snp has nothing to do with it. Why would you think those wanting to leave the uk follow the snp?

Would not be surprised if everyone leaves eventually.  Could end up being the country of London at some point.

2 hours ago, Bluespunk said:

Oh I do understand, I really do...the Scots did not wish to leave the EU, let them decide now if the uk is really where they want to be.

Strange situation; the Scots wanted to stay in EU and now they stay  with UK ; for me it's normal that there is a referendum, but one question : can Scotland live by it self, on an economic point of view ? do they have industry, commerce etc ?

 

I am French, and I know that for instance many people in Antilles ( Guadeloupe, Martinique ) or New Caledonia would like to get rid of France, but every referendum says that majority wants to stay ; not stupid, they know that apart from tourism, they have nothing, they need money from the " mère patrie " ;

and Scotland ? 

4 hours ago, 7by7 said:

I am a unionist, but am also a democrat. So I believe in an option that is missing from above; that it is up to the Scottish people to decide at a time of their choosing, not Westminster's.

Incorrect. Sure, it is up to Scotland to decide if they want independence. However, under what terms is a decision for the whole of the UK. I believe the parliament of UK is in Westminster. Therefore it has a lot to do with Wesminster.

I assume the Scots will carry the cost of their referendum themselves, and the Brexiteers don't even have to get out of bed to vote.

 

So then I really wonder why the Brits on this forum, which by coincidence happen to be the same hardcore Brexiteers, are so afraid of allowing the Scots their referendum, when they are so confident that they will vote remain anyway? Woosh there I used that word that works like a red cloth on Brexiteers.

 

Sure I must be missing something

And if the majority once again vote "No", how long before you're back on here whining again.  In another 5 years generation?

7 minutes ago, youreavinalaff said:

Incorrect. Sure, it is up to Scotland to decide if they want independence. However, under what terms is a decision for the whole of the UK. I believe the parliament of UK is in Westminster. Therefore it has a lot to do with Wesminster.

What is up to Westminster in your opinion, whether they want to leave or under what terms they're allowed to leave?

1 minute ago, lungbing said:

And if the majority once again vote "No", how long before you're back on here whining again.  In another 5 years generation?

I think only if in those 5 years the UK has decided to rejoin the EU, or another major decision affecting the future that much has been taken.

19 minutes ago, Aforek said:

Strange situation; the Scots wanted to stay in EU and now they stay  with UK ; for me it's normal that there is a referendum, but one question : can Scotland live by it self, on an economic point of view ? do they have industry, commerce etc ?

 

I am French, and I know that for instance many people in Antilles ( Guadeloupe, Martinique ) or New Caledonia would like to get rid of France, but every referendum says that majority wants to stay ; not stupid, they know that apart from tourism, they have nothing, they need money from the " mère patrie " ;

and Scotland ? 

Would be up to the Scots.

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

 

Frightened of what another referendum might bring Vogie?

Surely you, the other Brexiteers, the English and British nationalist will be able to present an overwhelming argument for remaining in the UK if its as good as you think it is.

Its odd isn't it? You Brexiteers were warned voting for Brexit risked the union but you went ahead anyway. This is what you voted for but now you dont want to face the consequences of your actions? 

3 hours ago, scubascuba3 said:

Couldn't care less anymore and I have a house there. The constant bleating for more money and independence gets very boring

 

Then if we are such a burden give us a referendum.

Oh no wait. For some reason all you Brexiteers love the idea of sovereignty and taking back control but only when it suits your own purposes.

BTW. Have a look at the real figures. England is going broke and without Scotlands resources it will be even worse.

 

4 hours ago, vogie said:

Everybody is assuming that Scotland does want independence and this is clearly not the case. The only people that want independence are the SNP, the Scots have clearly stated that they wish to remain within the United Kingdom and their wishes should be respected.

The Scottish people did not get the facts. Remember the new oil field discovery that was kept secret by the BBC?

The only people that don't want it are the ones scared of their own pensions, selfish ****s

3 hours ago, vogie said:

Newcastle is an area of the UK just as the same as Scotland, we all belong to the same island nation, see I told you you wouldn't get it.

 

Newcastle is an area of the UK the same as Scotland?

Does Newcastle have its own laws, government and a long history of independence?

Is England a region of the UK or is it a country?

Think carefully Vogie. That question is a bear trap.