Eight killed in Atlanta-area shooting rampage; suspect arrested

[Jeffr2]

12 hours ago, Megasin1 said:

I'm not American but looking in at this it seems more definitely sex trade worker orientated than race,  or is that just too simple, possibly the bigger question is why were so many of these masseurs of Asian extract ? 

Worth a read:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/asian-women-misogyny-spa-shootings-trnd/index.html

Fetishized, sexualized and marginalized, Asian women are uniquely vulnerable to violence

[ThailandRyan]

8 hours ago, georgey said:

Well done!! At last someone who understands English. 

Latest reports indicated 4 were Korean women, just as I have observed working in many Asian massage shops in the US.  Waiting to hear a complete story. Total was 6 Asian women, with 2 Caucasian women and a man wounded. The suspect claims he targeted the massage parlors because he was addicted to sex.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/atlanta-shootings-fbi-investigating-killing-of-eight-at-massage-parlors-11615989454

Suspect in deadly Atlanta-area spa shootings charged with 8 counts of murder (msn.com)

Edited March 18, 2021 by ThailandRyan

[Chomper Higgot]

16 hours ago, EVENKEEL said:

Here's a novel idea, let him have a fair trial before you hang him.

 Calm down, he’ll get a fair trial.

This isn’t a court of and nobody here has even the remotest chance of sitting on his trial jury.

 

[Scott]

Troll post removed.

 

[JonnyF]

Looks like I was right again, it was in fact related to sex work, not race.

The race baiters will be disappointed.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/georgia-massage-parlor-shootings/35857026#

[JonnyF]

56 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Worth a read:

https://edition.cnn.com/2021/03/17/us/asian-women-misogyny-spa-shootings-trnd/index.html

Fetishized, sexualized and marginalized, Asian women are uniquely vulnerable to violence

If you go after sex workers in certain areas, you will likely kill more Asian women because they might be over represented in that particular area.

It's like if you had a major issue with the Canadian Mounted Police and raided the Christmas party and killed 10 of them, it's likely most of them would be white. It wouldn't make it a race crime. Unless you were a disciple of Critical Race Theory of course, and see absolutely everything through the context of race.

[Chomper Higgot]

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Looks like I was right again, it was in fact related to sex work, not race.

The race baiters will be disappointed.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/georgia-massage-parlor-shootings/35857026#

...the defense he is offering up is he hates women.

 

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[Jeffr2]

9 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Looks like I was right again, it was in fact related to sex work, not race.

The race baiters will be disappointed.

https://www.wcvb.com/article/georgia-massage-parlor-shootings/35857026#

And the report I read says it was a combination of sex and race. 

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Take a gold star for yourself, the defense he is offering up is he hates women.

 

Asian women.  There are massage parlors in the US that don't have Asians.  Ummm....I read about that on the internet. LOL

[mtls2005]

 

12 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Looks like I was right again, it was in fact related to sex work, not race.

The race baiters will be disappointed.

 

Simply amazing that so many seem more interested in his motivation, than in the lives lost. Other than a public safety issue, who cares what his motivation is or was?

Edited March 18, 2021 by onthedarkside
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[JonnyF]

10 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Asian women.  There are massage parlors in the US that don't have Asians.  Ummm....I read about that on the internet. LOL

Why would he actively seek out non Asian massage places if he was simply targeting female sex workers?

Maybe he didn't give a damn what race they were. Hard to believe for many of the obsessive disciples of identity politics on this forum, I know. Some of us just see people, not white people, Arab people, black people, Asian people. Just people.

[Chomper Higgot]

 

The suspect has given an explanation for his actions, it’s not at all unusual for first statements to be deliberately misleading and perhaps for good reason, perhaps ‘hate crimes’ carry stiffer penalties.

My guess is the police and criminal psychologists have got him and his life under a microscope.

 

[Scott]

Continue referring to the victims as prostitutes or sex workers will earn a suspension unless/until there is a credible source for such information.  I somehow doubt the man who was reportedly shot was a sex worker.  

[mtls2005]

 

House Renews Violence Against Women Act, But Senate Hurdles Remain

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[Gecko123]

It is probably premature to attribute a racial motive to this shooting, but given the rise in hate crimes against Asians and other racial minorities the possibility that this was a motive or contributing motive needs to be fully and exhaustively investigated.

The shooter's reported attitude that in his quest to exorcise his sexual demons, the victim's (most of whom were Asian) were expendable collateral damage suggests a degree of dehumanization that clearly raises questions about whether conscious or subconscious racism played a role in his willingness to commit this crime.

 

Edited March 18, 2021 by Gecko123

[Walker88]

This horrific crime raises a host of issues, and not every aspect of the crime---including motivation---is not going to be clear on Day One.

First, what he claims his motivation was should be viewed with some degree of skepticism. How many spas are in the area, and is it 'just coincidence' he chose just predominantly Asian-staffed spas? Also, the male killed was also Asian, so it's 7 of 8 who were Asian. The killer's life will be dissected, so if he ever evidenced any sentiments that reflect racism, it will come out. If he never did evidence anything of the sort, that will also come out. Let it breathe.

Another point....he bought the 9mm murder weapon on the day of the killings. It is so "American" that Georgia has a waiting period for abortion, divorce and even cremation, but none for buying a gun. Think of that what you will.

Yet one more....there does seem to be a distinct difference between how LE handles White killers vs non-White. The police Chief who commented on a killer of 8 human beings said, "He was having a really bad day and this is how he dealt with it". That is a sorry attempt to make the killer a victim. That Chief also has been found to have social media posts where he 'loves' his t-shirt that says "Covid-19,  a virus imported from Chy-na". Adding to the difference as to how LE handles killers by race, consider the apprehension of Dylann Roof or the killer at Parkland (taken to Burger King by the cops) or the 17-year old who traveled across State to kill in Wisconsin and how LE treated him (or how 'evangelical' groups raised over $500,000 for his defense). Contrast with how non-whites are often treated by LE when apprehended. There are few stories of them getting taken to Burger King, but plenty of mugshots that show some injuries incurred during the arrest.

Finally, it always struck me that churches have idols and crucifixes that portray their god as a race he most definitely was not. Now I don't know what idols this killer's church has, nor what his preacher father taught him, but I would not be out of line assuming the killer's view of his deity is a white man. Having those sort of false gods quite possibly could foment, maybe subconsciously, a view of "god looks like me, so that makes me better than you".

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Quite the pat on the back considering not everything is known yet.  An initial statement, but that's it.

You bashed us for saying it might be racism.  Now, you credit yourself for solving it.  Stunning.

As mentioned above, you care more about being right than the lives of those lost.  And the fact that hate crimes against Asians are on the rise.  No denying that.  Hey, I'm right again!

Not at all. I have huge sympathy for the victims and their families. I choose not go OTT to virtue signal on forums about it though. That is my choice.

I also don't try to stir up racial divide by trying to claim that every bad thing in the world that happens is as a result of racism. If you wish to continue race baiting then feel free, but don't expect me to participate.

[OswaldBastable]

19 hours ago, JonnyF said:

Race is one possibility. Or maybe he hates sex workers? Maybe he caught HIV in there? Maybe one or more of the workers is an ex girlfriend? Many the massage parlours have a common owner who he has beef with and is one of the victims?

My immediate thoughts was organised crime and protection money. But after seeing photos of the murderer would include white supremacist nut job. If the motive was predominately anti-Asian you'd think a few restaurants would have been included in the target list.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/investigations/2021/03/17/atlanta-spa-shootings-illicit-reviews-massage-parlors/4737755001/

Georgia law enforcement has indicated the crime was motivated by sex, not race. But advocates balked at such determinations at this time.

Edited March 18, 2021 by OswaldBastable

[Chomper Higgot]

4 minutes ago, OswaldBastable said:

My immediate thoughts was organised crime and protection money. But after seeing photos of the murderer would include white supremacist nut job. If the motive was predominately anti-Asian you'd think a few restaurants would have been included in the target list.

Oddly the religious affiliation of this killer is being given a wide pass by those amongst us who normally have a lot to say about people professing a religion killing folk.

 

 

[OswaldBastable]

Just now, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly the religious affiliation of this killer is being given a wide pass by those amongst us who normally have a lot to say about people professing a religion killing folk.

I don't think many white people kill for religion, most of us superficially identify as Christian, but don't have much in the way of convictions.

[Berkshire]

2 minutes ago, Chomper Higgot said:

Oddly the religious affiliation of this killer is being given a wide pass by those amongst us who normally have a lot to say about people professing a religion killing folk.

This story is getting more bizarre by the minute.  So this guy had a sex addiction and was wracked with guilt over it because of his religious upbringing.  So....he kills a bunch of women in Asian massage parlors.  Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.  Maybe his religion is to blame!

[Robert Aaron Long, the 21-year-old suspect charged with eight counts of murder after three shootings on Tuesday at Atlanta-area spas, had been in rehab for sex addiction and was wracked with guilt about his sexual urges, according to two people who lived with him in transitional housing.]

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2021/03/17/georgia-spa-shooter-robert-aaron-long-sex-addiction/4741925001/

[robblok]

19 hours ago, John Drake said:

 

It does seem massage oriented. He left the first massage parlor and went 30 miles to the next two, one of which was right across the street from the other. If it were just a matter of going after Asians, I would think there are bigger targets that are closer to each other, such as restaurants, temples, etc.  

Strange that when a muslim blows up something or stabs its religion (according to posters but when a white guy kills mainly asians people are thinking of alternative theories. I wonder why. 

There have been reports about rising anti asian sentiment in the US mainly because of Trump with his diving policies and Wu flu remarks. Tarring all asians as cause of the virus. Plenty of racist in the US. (and other countries)

[Sujo]

Strange how he was on his way to another city to kill more when there were more where he was, lots of massage places with non asians that he decided not to attack but go to another city.

I wouldnt put much stock in what the mass murderer says. Wait until they get into his background searches.

[OswaldBastable]

Just now, robblok said:

Strange that when a muslim blows up something or stabs its religion (according to posters but when a white guy kills mainly asians people are thinking of alternative theories. I wonder why. 

If the white guy was shouting "Jesus saves" while shooting the victims, I'd be more likely to agree with you.

Edited March 18, 2021 by OswaldBastable

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, robblok said:

Strange that when a muslim blows up something or stabs its religion (according to posters but when a white guy kills mainly asians people are thinking of alternative theories. I wonder why. 

There have been reports about rising anti asian sentiment in the US mainly because of Trump with his diving policies and Wu flu remarks. Tarring all asians as cause of the virus. Plenty of racist in the US. (and other countries)

Crimes against asians up 140%

Whilst crimes generally down 7%

[Sujo]

1 minute ago, OswaldBastable said:

If the white guy was shouting "Jesus saves" while shooting the victims, I'd be more likely to agree with you.

He stated it was about religion and his guilty feelings about sex addiction.

[Walker88]

10 minutes ago, OswaldBastable said:

If the white guy was shouting "Jesus saves" while shooting the victims, I'd be more likely to agree with you.

In his initial statement he has referenced his 'beliefs' as some sort of motivation, though whatever he says initially should, of course, be viewed with suspicion.

His father is a evangelical preacher, so perhaps that gives some clue as to where he was 'radicalized' (a common question when the terrorist/killer claims to be Moslem). Can we now begin to think evangelical churches represent a threat the same way we claim madrassahs represent a threat?

His belief system is built on a lie, perhaps many lies (but the other possible lies are group into that odd thing called 'faith'). The undeniable lie his belief system is built upon is that his 'savior' is white, which clearly that person was not. Isn't it possible that those prone to racism might view themselves as 'superior' because the image they manufactured of their messiah looks like them, and not like other ethnic types?

[John Drake]

28 minutes ago, robblok said:

Strange that when a muslim blows up something or stabs its religion (according to posters but when a white guy kills mainly asians people are thinking of alternative theories. I wonder why. 

Why? My reason is right there in my post. He drove more than 30 miles to get to the other massage targets. 

[toofarnorth]

He said he had a passion for guns and God.  A mixed up looney then. Most God fearing folk wouldn't carry a gun ....or would they ?  Nasty bloke anyway and I really hope he has an unhappy ending.

[CharlieH]

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