Thai tourism survey: Chinese want to visit Thailand but waiting for vax rollout and end of quarantine - then some!

[ronnie round head]

5 hours ago, PatOngo said:

For the total havock the Chinese released on the world, with their filthy corona virus, I'm surprised they are welcome anywhere!

 

 

well said pal somebody who says what everybody should feel

[ronnie round head]

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Do we really need tourist right now? China has never said how many people are sick or dead in China from this virus. And they don't even acknowledge that it started there. We have enough problems here in Thailand right now so why do we want more? 

because china has all the money

[ronnie round head]

2 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

An awful lot of Thais depend on tourism for work. As thier government seems either unable or unwilling to support them , what are they to do ?

3 hours ago, Aomelia said:

Who cares what they Want Boycott China 

are they taking the <deleted> out of use not travelling till the more people have had the vax were did covid come from or are they still denied that

3 hours ago, vandeventer said:

Do we really need tourist right now? China has never said how many people are sick or dead in China from this virus. And they don't even acknowledge that it started there. We have enough problems here in Thailand right now so why do we want more? 

because china has all the money

[candide]

32 minutes ago, Blumpie said:

This is based on how people feel not on what they will do.

I can assure you that China will not allow their tourists to leave and come back shutting down the #2 economy on the planet.  And the people (their collective) feel the same way even if they don't state it outright.  There is a significant amount of shame for doing it.  For now, Chinese are perfectly happy staying home.  

And this is one country out of how many now, 212?  

Exactly. It's a completely useless survey.

 

It's not like people had a choice. They will come to Thailand only when their government allows them to do so, and It's not going to happen soon.

[Cadan]

What a surprise LMAO. Took 1 year to figure that out ????????

[Scott Tracy]

3 hours ago, joecoolfrog said:

An awful lot of Thais depend on tourism for work. As thier government seems either unable or unwilling to support them , what are they to do ?

 

I think perhaps this should read 'depended on tourism'.

Foreign tourism is dead for the foreseeable future, and I should imagine, since most got their fingers burned, a lot of people who worked in tourism will not be returning there.

[bangsaenguy]

At the rate that vaccinations are going, it will take more than 10 years

[Caldera]

Ultimately the Chinese government will have the last word. As long as they require returning Chinese citizens to quarantine at a government facility, outbound international tourism remains dead (except for the privileged few).

 

[aussienam]

Just stating a fact, but with the amount of global anger over the perceived secrecy and mishandling of COVID by the CCP and perceived arrogance, denial, blame shifting and dismissiveness of Chinese CCP and many of its citizens, it may be the case that Chinese tour groups need security escorts wherever they go for quite some time.  

 

I can only imagine that there would be those in countries all over the world who have pent up hatred and anger and are seeking vengeance, particularly those who have lost jobs, financially ruined and dead relatives. 

 

I am sure law enforcement agencies are considering the risks of terrorist style attacks.  

 

I am not condoning this scenario and not stating all Chinese citizens are to blame either, with many decent Chinese people like anywhere else.  Just highlighting what I see as a real issue.  

[Miami007]

Funny that the Chinese expect the Thai population to be vaccinated before they visit. If China were to vaccinate its own people, why would they care whether anyone outside is vaccinated or not - they would be protected anyway. Or maybe they know something about how effective their vaccines are? 

 

At least the Chinese agree with the rest of the world that quarantine has to end completely before they consider a holiday. If China says it, maybe people in the government will listen eventually. And then China would have to lift quarantine on return..

 

[Miami007]

3 hours ago, Mung said:

I really don't understand Thailand's logic throughout this entire fiasco. When the virus first emerged, we knew barely nothing about it apart from seeing images out of China where people were fainting and or dying in the streets, along with overcrowded hospitals. During this phase where we could have been dealing with something very serious indeed, Thailand kept everything open, allowing in 80,000 Wuhan residents throughout January and February, and only really started to take serious measures in April. 
Then when we realise this virus (at the time) was only 3 times deadlier than the flu, they became super strict and crushed the Thai economy. Now there are more contagious variants, and potentially deadlier, vaccine resistant ones as of late, Thailand opens up again lol. It's as if they are doing the exact wrong thing at the exact wrong time. 

And still no infections when they allowed 80,000 Wuhan residents. For one year i have been asking why thailand escaped transmission in early 2020 while chinese infected Italy.. until today nobody has any answer.

 

[Khun Loong]

Good news. What other measures can we take to delay the return of the Chinese?

[Magenta408]

Some similar thoughts about quarantine. 

[DerbyDan]

7 hours ago, PatOngo said:

For the total havock the Chinese released on the world, with their filthy corona virus, I'm surprised they are welcome anywhere!

 

 

 

My name is batman, robin, go lay an egg.

[Nanaplaza666]

I think China will be sending millions of vaccines before millions of their people .

[Hoppyone]

5 hours ago, Guderian said:

 

That's likely to be a  v-e-r-y  long wait.

No short time available in this topic

[boogiewoogie]

4 minutes ago, Nanaplaza666 said:

I think China will be sending millions of vaccines before millions of their people .

Vaccine is a political tool now. 

West bashing russian vaccine, iranians consider Phizer to be not halal.

PR attack on AZ. Multiply chinese jabs in exchange for who knows what.

It's all quite a show. Or more like a circus.

Thankfully no one has a monopoly on jabs and it gives hope.

 

[DUNROAMIN]

6 hours ago, Cake Monster said:

This Survey seems to be a real slap down for the Thai Authorities.

Thailand has been lauding the return of the Hoards from China throughout the last year or so.

Now the Chinese have firmly put them in their place.

I wonder what the TAT response to this will be with so much face lost

 

No problem, TAT will put another spin on the subject not lose face

[expatjustice]

3 hours ago, candide said:

Exactly. It's a completely useless survey.

 

It's not like people had a choice. They will come to Thailand only when their government allows them to do so, and It's not going to happen soon.

 

Who said the Chinese government doesn't allow its citizens to come to Thailand? 

 

I know a handful who have been coming and going back an forth due to work purposes! But as you can imagine no sane person would do 14 (10) days quarantine in Thailand, and another 14 days quarantine when going back to China for the mere purpose of "tourism"!

 

[MrJ2U]

8 hours ago, Surelynot said:

They seem to have skipped over the fact that the Chinese then have to quarantine on returning to China.......tourism just ain't going to happen anytime soon.

So true.  So many people keep yapping about a quarantine.  Countries aren't letting there citizens visit a country that hasn't vaccinated it's residents, immigrant workforce, or other person living within its borders.  They don't want some Covid-19 variant or variants coming back after responsibly vaccinating there own population.  Without Thailand vaccinating at least 80% of the people within its borders theres going to be very little visitors and the ones who do come will have to quarantine when they get home.  Booster shots will be needed 6 months after.  Thailand is so behind I don't see any tourist in big numbers for years to come.

[PatOngo]

2 hours ago, DerbyDan said:

 

My name is batman, robin, go lay an egg.

Nihao ma comrade!????

[Mung]

3 hours ago, Miami007 said:

And still no infections when they allowed 80,000 Wuhan residents. For one year i have been asking why thailand escaped transmission in early 2020 while chinese infected Italy.. until today nobody has any answer.

 

It is pretty crazy. The people did arrive on Thailand's borders throughout January, February and March, but why Thailand did not see a spike in cases is still a mystery. The fact remains, Thailand had zero evidence on the virus and any idea what they were dealing with, yet they allowed business to run as usual for around 14 weeks. This entire global situation could have been prevented if flights were grounded out of China from the beginning, and Thailand closed it's borders. Lets not forget, Thailand was the second country in the world to see cases. 

[Albert Zweistein]

I've seen some mierda in my time.

[DerbyDan]

1 hour ago, Mung said:

It is pretty crazy. The people did arrive on Thailand's borders throughout January, February and March, but why Thailand did not see a spike in cases is still a mystery. The fact remains, Thailand had zero evidence on the virus and any idea what they were dealing with, yet they allowed business to run as usual for around 14 weeks. This entire global situation could have been prevented if flights were grounded out of China from the beginning, and Thailand closed it's borders. Lets not forget, Thailand was the second country in the world to see cases. 

 

That was weird. I had two scenario's.

 

1. News was being kept under wraps. If it's not in the news, you don't hear about it much.

 

2. The hot weather and humidity, coupled with much of the population being, eating, outside, compared to colder countries, broke the transmission cycle and slowed down the problem escalating.

 

With China being so close and people fleeing out before lockdown began I don't think keeping people out or closing borders was a factor. Those temp checks are not very reliable either.

 

Vietnam did seem to do it well, but their goverment was set up to control things quickly without red tape delays, which is very rare.

 

Personally, I think it was the weather. The high temps, humidity and UV light delayed transmissions in a culture that is outside more, eats outside, culturally outdoors more. People that use a lot of fans to move air around, houses have more open air ventilation. Any time you move air particles around, like with a fan or anything, they get disbursed out and your less likely to breathe in a potent dose that takes hold.

Edited April 20, 2021 by DerbyDan

[cncltd1973]

8 hours ago, Percy P said:

Yes sicken situations.. And the vaccines situation seems to have stopped . If the vaccines are there why are people not getting them and do the vaccines have a shelf life . As read possible  tourist are not coming because of the vaccination hold up. I haven't come across one person who's been vaccinated against the disease . What are the people in charge waiting for

The royal pharmacy starts vaccine production in June. The loyal subjects will have to wait patiently/suffer in silence.

[bangon04]

"The good news for the Thai tourism industry was that Thailand was number one on the list for places that the Chinese wanted to go to."

 

That is the "good" news ????!

 

Actually the Chinese will be happy to buy up whatever Thailand allows them to buy. All they need is a "cousin" to facilitate the acquisition - same as it ever was... but accelerated. The good General will be happy to sell out......

[MasterBaker]

i think public have to understand that being vaccinated will not prevent from being infected and coming to any country which is not fully (at least with decent numbers of local infections) vaccinated is like jumping into shark infested waters. i don't see any good percentage of vaccinations in Thailand until end of next year

[Mung]

4 hours ago, DerbyDan said:

 

 

Personally, I think it was the weather. The high temps, humidity and UV light delayed transmissions in a culture that is outside more, eats outside, culturally outdoors more. People that use a lot of fans to move air around, houses have more open air ventilation. Any time you move air particles around, like with a fan or anything, they get disbursed out and your less likely to breathe in a potent dose that takes hold.

Some valid points maybe, but then in Florida things got really bad and it's hot and humid there. I think in Thailand it might be because so many people live in places without AC and that are ventilated naturally. Most villages and typical Thai housing is really open to the air, as opposed to being enclosed into rooms. Ventilation is a huge part of diluting the amount of viral spread, meaning that you may even get a very small amount and this can trigger immunity. 

Edited April 20, 2021 by Mung

[candide]

7 hours ago, expatjustice said:

 

Who said the Chinese government doesn't allow its citizens to come to Thailand? 

 

I know a handful who have been coming and going back an forth due to work purposes! But as you can imagine no sane person would do 14 (10) days quarantine in Thailand, and another 14 days quarantine when going back to China for the mere purpose of "tourism"!

 

Maybe for work purpose, but outbound tourism is restricted :

"China’s Ministry of Culture and Tourism required Chinese travel agents to stop the sale of outbound group and package travel (from a minimum of a flight + hotel package) from 27 January, 2020. As of March 2021, this ban has not yet been lifted.

– The last announcement by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism was made on 1 February, 2021, reminding Chinese citizens that they should not leave the country for any non-emergency reason. (Source)"

https://dragontrail.com/resources/blog/chinese-outbound-and-inbound-travel-rules-roundup

[expatjustice]

9 minutes ago, candide said:

Maybe for work purpose, but outbound tourism is restricted :

"China’s Ministry of Culture and Tourism required Chinese travel agents to stop the sale of outbound group and package travel (from a minimum of a flight + hotel package) from 27 January, 2020. As of March 2021, this ban has not yet been lifted.

– The last announcement by the Ministry of Culture and Tourism was made on 1 February, 2021, reminding Chinese citizens that they should not leave the country for any non-emergency reason. (Source)"

https://dragontrail.com/resources/blog/chinese-outbound-and-inbound-travel-rules-roundup

Yes but that is group tourism that has been banned. The rest is just a reminder / recommendation. 

 

Bottom line is Chinese citizens can currently leave China and go anywhere where they have a valid visa without explaining to anyone what they need to leave China. Again the main problem is, what tourist can afford to spend 28 days in quarantine? You have to work, and no company will allow you to be in quarantine 28 days for “tourist reasons”. 
 

I don’t think you’ll see many Thais going overseas on tourism trips, or many Australians,… for the same reason!