Thailand’s prime minister asked to reconsider another national lockdown

[spidermike007]

3 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Very sad.  But unusual.  Some people have died after being vaccinated - would that stop you from getting it?

True. Very unusual. The vast majority who die are over 50. You will likely never know if this young gal had a pre-existing condition. It is likely. 

 

In a pandemic filled with grim statistics, one of the grimmest has gone largely unnoticed: 95 percent of COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. have occurred among people who were 50 or older. This even though the majority of coronavirus cases have been reported in people under age 50.

 

https://feeds.aarp.org/health/conditions-treatments/info-2020/coronavirus-deaths-older-adults.html?_amp=true

[ChipButty]

Lets have another lockdown just let me buy some beers and I'll be fine

[Percy P]

6 hours ago, Percy P said:

The value of the Baht has not fallen. Its foreign currencies that have increased in value giving you more money.

 

[GrandPapillon]

10 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

If they want to reduce the daily increase of Covid cases just go back to no testing.

absolutely, best strategy so far, should be followed everywhere in the world ????

[GrandPapillon]

9 hours ago, PatOngo said:

While the country being locked down is imminent, the clowns running this debacle should be locked up!

 

 

in their defense, not one government in the world had it right, and they are all being very unpopular at the moment, in particular in Europe

 

big wave of change coming up !!!

[Thomas J]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

The findings are consistent with previous research. Health experts have long said a mask provides only limited protection for the person wearing it, but can dramatically reduce the risk to others if the wearer is infected, even when showing no symptoms. Preventing the spread to others is known as source control."

Yes but again, you along with others seem to miss the point.  Masks have some benefit, social distancing some benefit, quarantines, some benefit, constantly washing hands, some benefit and I believe vaccines will be some benefit.  However to think that any or all of those in combination will be effective against Covid flies in the face of the world's experience with other diseases and viruses.  

There is no vaccine that is 100% effective, no program that will get 100% of the people vaccinated, and no way of preventing the likelihood that the virus will mutate just like the common cold and the flu does and the entire process of infection will start again. 

The world has to "learn a way" to co-exist with the virus and stop pretending it can conquer that.  The history of mankind stopping most diseases and viruses in particular does not give precedent to that.  If the world can't stop diseases for which there are effective vaccines and treatments what could possibly give rise to the notion that they can someone hide in seclusion until this virus dies out. 

[Thomas J]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its called saving lives in the circumstances at the time, period.

 

Now to play devils advocate, how can you establish that any of the practices saved any lives.  That is a pure conjecture. 

If Thailand or any country wanted to establish a 'best practices" against Covid it would take two or more geographic areas and implement different practices in each.  Including one where there was no Covid restrictions. Then compare which of any of the areas had a statistically measurable decrease in Covid transmission.  If all of the areas were measurably the same, then none of the practices had any material effect. 

As it currently stands it is like a patient who goes into the hospital with a major heart attack.  His name tag is switched for a patient with gangrene that requires both legs amputated.  The doctor mistakenly amputates the legs yet the patient survives the heart attack and concludes See What We Did Saved This Persons Life. 

[bobbin]

6 hours ago, Tech65 said:

Are you saying that lockdowns have proven to work?

Pretty obviously, that's exactly what I'm saying..

 

In fact,  I actually said that in the post you are responding to..

 

Better reading comprehension would have saved us both the typing time..

[NoshowJones]

11 hours ago, Tarteso said:

A very high price.

 

It’s not new

"criticizes the government’s management ability,"  Just what exactly gets taught at a military academy? Management? Would that be management of the parade grounds? It cannot be management of maths when you see certain figures they come away with. ????

[Bkk Brian]

15 minutes ago, Thomas J said:

 

Now to play devils advocate, how can you establish that any of the practices saved any lives.  That is a pure conjecture. 

If Thailand or any country wanted to establish a 'best practices" against Covid it would take two or more geographic areas and implement different practices in each.  Including one where there was no Covid restrictions. Then compare which of any of the areas had a statistically measurable decrease in Covid transmission.  If all of the areas were measurably the same, then none of the practices had any material effect. 

As it currently stands it is like a patient who goes into the hospital with a major heart attack.  His name tag is switched for a patient with gangrene that requires both legs amputated.  The doctor mistakenly amputates the legs yet the patient survives the heart attack and concludes See What We Did Saved This Persons Life. 

Your first two sentences says it all for me, I really don't need to read or respond further.

[ExpatOilWorker]

Apparently this is Phnom Penh, looks like they are shut down.

 

[NoshowJones]

8 hours ago, hotchilli said:

2 weeks too late... should have stopped people traveling for Songkran, instead he encouraged them to travel and spend spend spend.

He should be asked to step down, not make anymore decisions.

Who's going to take his place then? Another General with a  military academy education? ????

[chrisbangkok]

8 hours ago, mike1967 said:

It's quite bizarre that I have to quarantine in a country that's far more unsafe than my own. Thanks but no thanks.

Thank you for your observation and happy for you that you are in a safe country . Do keep commenting though as it's always nice to hear the thoughts of folks in other countries .

[BestB]

3 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

The government officials had visited a casino/brothel in Cambodia.  Obviously crossed the border illegally, and without getting tested on the way back in.  Went to Thong Lor to bars where they weren't obeying safety standards for Covid.  Bang....here we are.

Precisely my point. 

[the green light]

11 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

The rumor du jour is that the government is going to extend quarantine for all incoming Farangs to 14 days again. There is a Reuters report that claims its a done deal. No fun.

 

who is the stupid farang who wants to come to thailand and get the virus.

there is no Soil NANA or  Cowboy/ For love Thai style ...send money it will be enough 

Life in thailand is not what it used to be before and there is NO NO value added to be in thailand now.

Greece just opened up with no quarantine- check it out.

 

[KannikaP]

9 hours ago, bobbin said:

Please, no Facebook links.. Many of us are not using Facebook. (choice)

 

Or add a synopsis. That will do.

You don't need to 'DO FACEBOOK' to watch the video.

[AllanB]

Even if you believe the worldwide figures and compare them to the annual deaths from covid (corona virus disease) which are 1 million every year "reported", with no regular testing. Then that can easily translate to 10 or even 20 million worldwide, so far we have around 3 million with rigerous testing.

 

Then you have the numbers in Thailand, around 100 in a year, compared to 125,000 in the UK, where the hell is the problem?

[Danderman123]

1 hour ago, Thomas J said:

 

Now to play devils advocate, how can you establish that any of the practices saved any lives.  That is a pure conjecture. 

If Thailand or any country wanted to establish a 'best practices" against Covid it would take two or more geographic areas and implement different practices in each.  Including one where there was no Covid restrictions. Then compare which of any of the areas had a statistically measurable decrease in Covid transmission.  If all of the areas were measurably the same, then none of the practices had any material effect. 

As it currently stands it is like a patient who goes into the hospital with a major heart attack.  His name tag is switched for a patient with gangrene that requires both legs amputated.  The doctor mistakenly amputates the legs yet the patient survives the heart attack and concludes See What We Did Saved This Persons Life. 

No need to do that. Just take 2 countries, let’s say the UK and Brazil. The UK locked down, Brazil did not. 
 

how did the results compare?

[Danderman123]

14 minutes ago, AllanB said:

Even if you believe the worldwide figures and compare them to the annual deaths from covid (corona virus disease) which are 1 million every year "reported", with no regular testing. Then that can easily translate to 10 or even 20 million worldwide, so far we have around 3 million with rigerous testing.

 

Then you have the numbers in Thailand, around 100 in a year, compared to 125,000 in the UK, where the hell is the problem?

Because you don’t understand how epidemics work.

 

You see, in the early stages, the numbers are very low. Maybe just a handful. But, if left unchecked, huge numbers may die. A great example is the US, where there were only 15 or so cases at the beginning, and idiots were asking what the hell is the problem?

[Danderman123]

2 hours ago, Thomas J said:

Yes but again, you along with others seem to miss the point.  Masks have some benefit, social distancing some benefit, quarantines, some benefit, constantly washing hands, some benefit and I believe vaccines will be some benefit.  However to think that any or all of those in combination will be effective against Covid flies in the face of the world's experience with other diseases and viruses.  

There is no vaccine that is 100% effective, no program that will get 100% of the people vaccinated, and no way of preventing the likelihood that the virus will mutate just like the common cold and the flu does and the entire process of infection will start again. 

The world has to "learn a way" to co-exist with the virus and stop pretending it can conquer that.  The history of mankind stopping most diseases and viruses in particular does not give precedent to that.  If the world can't stop diseases for which there are effective vaccines and treatments what could possibly give rise to the notion that they can someone hide in seclusion until this virus dies out. 

There is no learning to co-exist with Covid, unless a cure is found.

 

A great example is Polio, which was eradicated through vaccination.

[edwinchester]

The UK is still testing a very large number of people everyday and has fewer cases than Thailand which seems to suggest that there is multiples of cases as yet undetected in Thailand. My daughters teenage kids in the UK are now tested twice a week and this is happening all over the UK. Coupled with a huge effort getting as many people vaccinated as quickly as possible is the way to go and Thailand seems to have lost the plot and are now paying the consequences.

[brewsterbudgen]

3 hours ago, Golden Triangle said:

If you don't go out &  mix with others you can't catch it, that is as plain as the nose on your face, unless you deniers who decry masks, rebel against lockdown, and claim it's only a cold know different ??

 

 

 

Fair enough, but then it's your choice to not go out or mix with others.  Maybe you don't need to go to work to feed your family or go to school to get an education?  Not everyone is quite so fearful of the virus.  And how long are you prepared to not go out for?  6 months?  One year?

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, Tech65 said:

Asymptomatics aren't covid 19 sick people, are perfectly healthy people. They have only a presence of microparticles of virus. PCR is also very unreliable, and tests done one after the other give different results.

 

Covid syntoms are fever, sore throat etc.. That is the moment when you get sick and need Immediate treatment.  

You are confused. You seem to think that asymptomatic cases are simply barely infected people. And that they are perfectly healthy. The reality is that a large percent of asymptomatics incur permanent lung scarring.

 

And, you are confusing asymptomatics with pre-symptomatic.

 

BTW, PCR tests are very reliable, the number of false positives is very low.

 

[Danderman123]

7 hours ago, jossthaifarang said:

<deleted> that! I get out tomorrow morning, they better not change their minds before then.

Concerning extending quarantine to 14 days for everyone, if they implemented that today, how can the hotels accommodate an edict with immediate implementation? Put 2 people in the same room?

[Golden Triangle]

3 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

 

Fair enough, but then it's your choice to not go out or mix with others.  Maybe you don't need to go to work to feed your family or go to school to get an education?  Not everyone is quite so fearful of the virus.  And how long are you prepared to not go out for?  6 months?  One year?

As long as it takes, that's my honest answer, you're a lot longer dead than alive, trust me on that, as & when available I will pay for the jab for myself & the Mrs, I also have the covid insurance and will renew again when I need to, until I have the jab and a certain degree of protection from either getting very sick or dying I am happy at home.

 

We don't have kids, I don't have to go to work & neither does the Mrs so we can stay happily in our little bubble until this faux government gets it act together.

[brewsterbudgen]

10 minutes ago, Golden Triangle said:

As long as it takes, that's my honest answer, you're a lot longer dead than alive, trust me on that, as & when available I will pay for the jab for myself & the Mrs, I also have the covid insurance and will renew again when I need to, until I have the jab and a certain degree of protection from either getting very sick or dying I am happy at home.

 

We don't have kids, I don't have to go to work & neither does the Mrs so we can stay happily in our little bubble until this faux government gets it act together.

Fair play to you.  I, too have Covid insurance and will take the vaccine as soon as it's available.  I guess I'm also in a high-risk group as I'm 60 and have mild hypertension.  But I need to go to work to support my family and I want my son to be decently educated and enjoy his childhood.   

 

Covid will be around for a long time.  There are lots of risks in life (especially in Thailand, and I drive!), and I don't want the "faux government" telling me what I should do. 

[Golden Triangle]

4 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Fair play to you.  I, too have Covid insurance and will take the vaccine as soon as it's available.  I guess I'm also in a high-risk group as I'm 60 and have mild hypertension.  But I need to go to work to support my family and I want my son to be decently educated and enjoy his childhood.   

 

Covid will be around for a long time.  There are lots of risks in life (especially in Thailand, and I drive!), and I don't want the "faux government" telling me what I should do. 

Well we agree on most things then, I'm in my late 60's, and don't work or need to work, I understand that you need to work to care for your family & you want the best for your sons future, I presume there are many on here like you, suddenly the dream has become the nightmare, so total isolation for you & your family is impossible.

 

The reason I am so scared of this virus is that my brother died of this earlier this year, he was on a ventilator in a special COVID-19 ward & didn't really know what the hell was happening, he got a nurse to open his phone and got her to call me on messenger, because of the face mask, the noise from the ventilator and all the machines monitoring his vital signs I had great difficulty hearing & understanding what he was saying, it was the most harrowing conversation I have ever had in my life, I would never wish that on anyone.

 

In the end they pumped him full of sleeping drugs etc and then turned off his ventilator, it didn't take long, and every member of the family got to say goodbye before they did that ????????????

 

That is why I hate the deniers and those that think it won't happen to them.

 

Sorry, I'll shut up now. Take care 

[EricTh]

Please do another lockdown before Thailand becomes another India.

[Danderman123]

42 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Fair play to you.  I, too have Covid insurance and will take the vaccine as soon as it's available.  I guess I'm also in a high-risk group as I'm 60 and have mild hypertension.  But I need to go to work to support my family and I want my son to be decently educated and enjoy his childhood.   

 

Covid will be around for a long time.  There are lots of risks in life (especially in Thailand, and I drive!), and I don't want the "faux government" telling me what I should do. 

What if your actions made your son exposed to Covid-19? 

[placnx]

6 hours ago, Bkk Brian said:

Firstly regards the fake stamford study:

 

Some on social media are claiming that a “Stanford” or “NIH” study has shown that face masks are ineffective against the Covid-19 coronavirus and even harmful. There’s one problem with that claim though. It’s not really a Stanford study or a National Institutes of Health (NIH) study.

OK, there are two problems with that claim: it’s not a Stanford study, it’s not an NIH study, and, in fact, it’s not even really a study.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2021/04/22/did-so-called-stanford-nih-study-really-show-face-masks-are-ineffective-against-covid-19/?sh=ebccac53fd76

 

Regards Fauci on masks, this was because he wanted to ensure there was enough for frontline workers first, sensible decision.

Actually, the reference to Stanford probably involves one of the Great Barrington triad - Bhattacharya - who is against children wearing masks:

https://www.wsj.com/articles/masks-for-children-muzzles-for-covid-19-news-11618329981

Bhattacharya and Scott Atlas, the Trump Covid advisor, are both associated with Stanford University. They got Trump's attention by appearing on Fox News. The main emphasis of Great Barrington is anti-lockdown.