Thailand sees second day of record-high virus deaths

[KhaoNiaw]

 

[HaoleBoy]

If the police did their jobs and monitored restaurants in their districts, then the gov wouldn't have to shut them down for in-restaurant eating (and allow drinking).   Closing restaurants earlier does make sense as well as limiting # of customers.

 

Keeping coffee shops open during the day for in-shop service works too if police did random checks.  Warning first time, then shut the place down for 7 days if limits weren't adhered to.

 

Keeping more people working will help the Thais overall, but it seems it must be all or nothing.

[WaveHunter]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

 

Lockdowns will never stop the pandemic. It merely stops the sharp increase so hospitals can cope. If it rises too much hospitals will be overrun and death rates sore. That is the only reason for a lockdown. Not to beat the virus. Only vaccinations can do that.

 

I would agree that only vaccines are going to bring Covid under control but until they are sufficiently distributed, selective lockdowns of perhaps 1-3 weeks may be instituted since there is data that supports the notion that they can flatten the curve somewhat. 

 

As has always been the case, the biggest worry is for the healthcare system to become overwhelmed with cases, and the Thai healthcare system is teetering on that right now.  If more diligent social distancing measures aren't taken seriously by the public, selective 1-3 week lockdowns of "red zones" may be the only interim alternative until vaccine rollout ramps up.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Opinion: COVID-19 Exposes Deadly Inequalities in Thailand

 

"It’s never a good time to be poor, or an ordinary person with no connections. When there’s a COVID-19 outbreak, it could quickly become fatal. Your chance of dying, if infected, is much higher than the rich and well-connected that will in no time be taken to a plush hospital.

 

At Klong Toey Slum, Thailand’s largest shanty town, 50 people have been infected by midweek. Many called for a field hospital bed in vain. No field hospital beds were available for most of them.

 

They had to wait and they ended up having to quarantine themselves inside their tiny and over-crowded homes, often with many other family members who shared the space and exposed the rest to the risk of infections, until an ad hoc space was set at a temple inside the community on Thursday.

 

(more)

 

https://www.khaosodenglish.com/opinion/2021/05/02/opinion-covid-19-exposes-deadly-inequalities-in-thailand/

 

[FarFlungFalang]

39 minutes ago, Pattaya Spotter said:

Steady as she goes...cases and deaths holding steady. Keep practicing recommended Covid safety precautions everyone and we'll lick this third wave soon.

The last thing you'll want to do is lick the third wave as it's a sure way of getting infected.Oh you mean figuratively speaking?

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

The Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) has shifted it focus onto infections in households as the number of new cases among family members continues to rise at an alarming rate.

 

CCSA Spokesman Dr Taweesilp Visanuyothin said health authorities’ concern now is that the disease has already come into households, especially ones in Bangkok as new cases reported in the capital and the surrounding provinces accounted for up to 44.2 % of all new infections last month.

 

He said the vast majority of deaths contracted the virus from their families and the fluctuations in the number of new cases point to the need to adopt more stringent control measures.

 

https://www.facebook.com/nbtworld/posts/10157988730847050

 

[FarFlungFalang]

How's the war against Corona virus going?Are we winning against a brainless virus? Or have we been outwitted by the brainless virus as it's got us by the throat you might say.Just look at the mess we have gotten ourselves into!

[sungod]

Ah, an increase on Sunday over the figures from Saturday. Is this due to the 'weekend effect' or does that only kick in when there are decreases?

[Danderman123]

Just now, sungod said:

Ah, an increase on Sunday over the figures from Saturday. Is this due to the 'weekend effect' or does that only kick in when there are decreases?

With a positivity rate around 4 or 5 percent, the number of new infections is going to do a random walk.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

The first chart below shows total COVID case numbers for Thailand since the beginning of the pandemic, including the total new cases reported Sunday, along with the latest day's new deaths.

 

 

 

This second chart below shows the total COVID case numbers for Thailand since the start of its most serious "third wave" COVID outbreak that began at the start of April:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/317322106552787

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Graph showing the daily trend of new COVID cases from Thailand's third wave COVID outbreak that began in early April:

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/317322106552787

 

 

 

[ikke1959]

Be fair, this is the result of an incompetent Government. They had enough time to prepare and order vaccines for the people. But they only think about the brown envelopes and own wealth. Now people can register for a jab which will be given in June .. that is another 4 weeks away and a second jab after 3 weeks  and than another 2/3 weeks before you are protected. So in fact between 6 and 10 weeks from now  few million people are getting protected . But the Sinovac vaccines are not reliable, what will happen if they are vaccinated and the vaccine refuse to do its job?? It could be worse 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Thailand moved up one notch to now rank 102nd in the world among countries based on total numbers of COVID cases (not per capita) since the start of the pandemic.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/317322106552787

 

 

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Be fair, this is the result of an incompetent Government. They had enough time to prepare and order vaccines for the people. But they only think about the brown envelopes and own wealth. Now people can register for a jab which will be given in June .. that is another 4 weeks away and a second jab after 3 weeks  and than another 2/3 weeks before you are protected. So in fact between 6 and 10 weeks from now  few million people are getting protected . But the Sinovac vaccines are not reliable, what will happen if they are vaccinated and the vaccine refuse to do its job?? It could be worse 

Incompetent like this one. Stunning.

 

 

[fondue zoo]

44 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Do curfews really make any sense at all?  I mean, Covid does not ominously become more transmissible from 10pm to 4am, so why put a random time stamp on it?

 

In all seriousness, there is no science based data that support the efficacy of curfews.   On the other hand there is data that support the efficacy of short-term lockdowns (i.e.: 1-3 weeks).

 

I would hate for that to become necessary but my point is that curfews really achieve very little if anything at all towards "flattening the curve".  However, what they do accomplish is to erode our trust in government and just generate widespread paranoia.

 

Issuing arbitrary curfews actually discredit the more sensible measures taken.  When health authorities present rules without clear, science-based substantiation, their advice ends up seeming arbitrary and capricious.

 

I recall it being stated before, lock-downs and curfews are purely a "mechanical" measure, reducing the number of human interactions that may make transmission possible.

Edited May 2, 2021 by fondue zoo

[anchadian]

Yesterday, people in Samut Prakan not only needed a face mask but also a blindfold:

 

Thai News Reports

@ThaiNewsReports

1h

Health officials in Samut Prakan were out in force yesterday spraying disinfectant into the air in order to slow the spread of #COVID19 in the community #Thailand

 

[fondue zoo]

1 minute ago, anchadian said:

Yesterday, people in Samut Prakan not only needed a face mask but also a blindfold:

 

Thai News Reports

@ThaiNewsReports

1h

Health officials in Samut Prakan were out in force yesterday spraying disinfectant into the air in order to slow the spread of #COVID19 in the community #Thailand

 

 

 

hmmm, that's not how viruses work....  but it does make for good photo ops

[WaveHunter]

18 minutes ago, ikke1959 said:

Be fair, this is the result of an incompetent Government. They had enough time to prepare and order vaccines for the people. But they only think about the brown envelopes and own wealth. Now people can register for a jab which will be given in June .. that is another 4 weeks away and a second jab after 3 weeks  and than another 2/3 weeks before you are protected. So in fact between 6 and 10 weeks from now  few million people are getting protected . But the Sinovac vaccines are not reliable, what will happen if they are vaccinated and the vaccine refuse to do its job?? It could be worse 

I think your assessment is a bit harsh.  It's easy to be a Monday Morning Quarterback and criticize government officials with hindsight.  It's a lot harder to play a game where there are no accepted guidelines and knowledge could only be gained by trial and error, which is what government officials have had to do since the pandemic began. 

 

Certainly a lot of mistakes have been made, and absolutely there was been a lot of self-serving political wrangling going on, but on the whole, Thailand has weathered this pandemic better than most countries around the world...FAR BETTER, so I think you should really give credit where credit is due.

Edited May 2, 2021 by WaveHunter

[anchadian]

Richard Barrow 

@RichardBarrow

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The first day for people booking appointments for vaccination went well. Up to 9am, 430,588 had booked an appointment. Foreigners who have a pink Thai ID card were also able to book a slot. First round in June is for people who are 60+ and who have 7 underlying diseases #Thailand

 

[Danderman123]

Wuhan required a 77 day total lockdown to avoid disaster.   Italy and some of those other places lost 10s of 1000s of people over a short period of time. America lost 600,000 people to this plague.  For a country to lose an extra 10 percent over one year IS a catastrophe.
 

 

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[TallGuyJohninBKK]

Update:

 

In one particularly alarming development Sunday, the government reported that its number of COVID patients hospitalized in critical condition increased 15% just in the past day, rising 125 patients from 829 on Saturday to a pandemic record high 954 on Sunday. Officials said 270 of those were requiring ventilators to breathe -- high levels that continue to strain the Thai health care system.

 

In all, Thailand now has 29,481 COVID positive patients hospitalized in some kind of facility (hospital, field hospital or hotel-hospital) under a government policy that requires anyone testing positive to be hospitalized until they have recovered. That number rose 2.5% on Sunday with a net gain of 736 in the hospitalized population.

 

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Among the 21 new deaths reported Sunday, a government spokesman said 12 were men and 9 were women. Ages ranged from 34 to 88 with a median age of 66. Eight of the deaths were in Bangkok, followed by four in Chiang Mai and two each in Chonburi and Lamphun provinces.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/317322106552787

 

 

[WaveHunter]

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Thailand moved up one notch to now rank 102nd in the world among countries based on total numbers of COVID cases (not per capita) since the start of the pandemic.

 

Per Capita gives a much more realistic view.  When you look at it on a per capita basis, Thailand is ranked #28 (#1 being the lowest cases per capita), and that is a pretty impressive accomplishment IMO

 

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

Edited May 2, 2021 by WaveHunter

[phills2k1]

 

 

What could POSSIBLY make a person think that limiting the amount of human interaction and wearing masks would not be helpful in preventing the spread of a highly contagious virus

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[Bkk Brian]

4 minutes ago, WaveHunter said:

Per Capita gives a much more realistic view.  When you look at it on a per capita basis, Thailand is ranked #28 (#1 being the lowest per capita), and that is a pretty impressive accomplishment IMO

 

https://news.google.com/covid19/map?hl=en-US&gl=US&ceid=US%3Aen

 

So lets keep it that way, no need to move up the rankings and be complacent, we are dealing with a new variant that Thailand has never dealt with before, more will also come no doubt.

[DavisH]

3 hours ago, ZimSong said:

You simply cannot control a pandemic by restrictions unless it is total lockdown at the cost of economic collapse.

 

It will always flare up until there is a herd immunity wide enough, either with vaccines or with the old fashioned way. 

 

 We went many months without a recorded case. This time the will get it under controlbut it will take longer. The running average has been fairly stable the last few days. I don't think there is a need for a full lockdown as many of the recent infections are occuring in the family home. 

[rabas]

2 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

What could POSSIBLY make a person think that limiting the amount of human interaction and wearing masks would not be helpful in preventing the spread of a highly contagious virus

Some people and disinformation campaigns from Russia and China.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, phills2k1 said:

 

Seriously, do people like him just argue because they're upset they can't go to a bar? Is it because they own restaurants?

 

What could POSSIBLY make a person think that limiting the amount of human interaction and wearing masks would not be helpful in preventing the spread of a highly contagious virus

We have all types here:

 

Covid Deniers

Anti-vaxxers

The "I had Covid last year and its no problem" types

The "I don't care how many millions die, I want to go to my pub" types

and, last but not least, "This epidemic is going out of control, it's going to be like India here" types.

 

oh, and the guys who debate what angle the line has to be so that it's exponential.

[phills2k1]

1 minute ago, DavisH said:

I guess you missed the first wave results. We went many months without a recorded case. This time the will get it under controlbut it will take longer. The running average has been faily stable the last few days. I don't think there is a need for a full lockdown as many of the recent infections are occuring in the family home. 

 

People are going to spread it through the household regardless of a lockdown or not. There needs to be prevention of the spread outside of the house as well

 

How do people not comprehend this???

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

 

Trend in Bangkok daily new COVID case reports from April 26 to May 2:

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/posts/317322106552787

 

 

 

 

 

[Danderman123]

1 minute ago, rabas said:

Some people and disinformation campaigns from Russia and China.

to be accurate, we don't see bots from Russia here. What we do see are people who get their misinformation from various lie factories, which, in turn, are fed by Russian sources.

 

Facebook did a search of anti-vaxxers on their platform, and found that millions of users got their disinformation from only 12 anti-vaxxers on Facebook.