People failing to disclose information blamed for COVID-19 spike

[webfact]

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People who have concealed information to medical staff are being blamed for the spike of COVID-19 cases.

 

Figures released on Sunday revealed that 512 health workers in 57 provinces have been infected with COVID-19 since April 1. 

 

This is much higher than in the first two waves of infections, according to Centre for Covid-19 Situation Administration (CCSA) spokesperson Dr Taweesilp Visanu­yothin said on Sunday. 

 

He said the main reason for the spike in cases among health workers was due to patients failing to adequately inform hospitals if they have been at risk of catching the virus.

 

The average age of health workers who have tested positive for the virus is 33.37 years.

 

The 10 provinces with the highest number of infections found among health workers are: Bangkok, 137 infected, Trang (47), Chonburi (34), Nakhon Pathom (25), Khon Kaen infected (18), Prachuap Khiri Khan (16) Songkhla (16), Udon Thani (16) and Surat Thani (14).

 

Earlier this month, eight hospitals in Thailand were forced to temporarily close after health workers became infected with COVID-19 or had to be quarantined because several patients failed to disclose important information about their infections. 

 

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[ThailandRyan]

No one seems to want to disclose the true facts of their lives to this Government as to where they have been or what they do on their own time.  Problem, yes.  They have to be scared they have done something wrong or do not want to imposition friends and others, but failing to disclose just makes it keep on spreading and takes out the needed medical staff who are needed to assist those that are sick.

[RotBenz8888]

25 minutes ago, webfact said:

People who have concealed information to medical staff are being blamed for the spike of COVID-19 cases.

 

So why are people so reluctant to disclose information regarding

if they have been at risk of catching the virus? Afraid of being locked up in a hospital for an uncertain period of time? Perhaps they should consider letting asymptomatic cases or patients with mild symptom isolate at home, and leave room for those who are more seriously ill. 

 

[law ling]

This came up a week or so ago.

 

Surely medical staff ought to assume the worst, and act accordingly - and NOT assume everyone will be giving them full and frank disclosure.

[Trujillo]

Ah, it's not the virus, it's our fault. Got it. 

[robblok]

No letting songkran go on started all of this and that was the PM's doing. Put the blame where it lies. That is with the PM. 

 

Also if they had gotten vaccines before things would have been a lot less bad. Again the PM is responsible.

 

Sure people should disclose their risk but we would not be here without the mistakes made by the PM. 

 

Its time he takes the blame but nobody (besides some columnists in the BKK post) dare to put the blame there. 

[Trujillo]

If you had been traveling before Sungkran, you would know that thousands and thousands of people were already traveling around the nation -- planes, trains, automobiles and buses. Moreover, if you look at the positive case dispersions you would have to make a very large leap of connection to pin them all on Sungkran travel. 

I know this is a convenient way to pigeonhole the cause of the recent outbreaks, and I am not supporting or defending the government -- they are quite capable of doing that themselves -- but rather, looking at the facts on the ground. I know, using facts to come to an understanding of something is a lost art, but still worth doing. 

 

I have a theory on why we have had more positive tests recently, but since I must cite sources for my opinions or characterizations, I will leave that to your own speculation. 

 

So yes, while Sungkran travel surely was a contributing factor, I don't believe it was the prime motivator. 

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1 minute ago, Trujillo said:

If you had been traveling before Sungkran, you would know that thousands and thousands of people were already traveling around the nation -- planes, trains, automobiles and buses. Moreover, if you look at the positive case dispersions you would have to make a very large leap of connection to pin them all on Sungkran travel. 

I know this is a convenient way to pigeonhole the cause of the recent outbreaks, and I am not supporting or defending the government -- they are quite capable of doing that themselves -- but rather, looking at the facts on the ground. I know, using facts to come to an understanding of something is a lost art, but still worth doing. 

 

I have a theory on why we have had more positive tests recently, but since I must cite sources for my opinions or characterizations, I will leave that to your own speculation. 

 

So yes, while Sungkran travel surely was a contributing factor, I don't believe it was the prime motivator. 

"I know, using facts to come to an understanding of something is a lost art, but still worth doing." 

"I have a theory on why we have had more positive tests recently, but since I must cite sources for my opinions or characterizations, I will leave that to your own speculation."

 

Something tells me that your understanding of what "facts" are, differs from the standard definitions.

[Trujillo]

The fact I am pointing out, simply, was that there was a lot more travel than people give merit to before the holiday. It wasn't like everyone was at home and suddenly there was a great unleashing of travel, thus the bump in positive cases. 

 

Is there a factual error there? If so I am interested to know. I am always ready to modify my thinking with the addition of new and salient facts. 

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7 minutes ago, Trujillo said:

The fact I am pointing out, simply, was that there was a lot more travel than people give merit to before the holiday. It wasn't like everyone was at home and suddenly there was a great unleashing of travel, thus the bump in positive cases. 

 

Is there a factual error there? If so I am interested to know. I am always ready to modify my thinking with the addition of new and salient facts. 

Since you really haven't cited any falsifiable assertions inquiring about factual errors seems pointless. What does " a lot more travel than people give merit to" mean in hard numbers? How would one go about ascertaining what that means?  How would that number compare to the number of travelers during Songkran?

[finnsk]

The healthworkers and other care people in the frontline, must be the first to be vaccinated.

Now we have Covid more than 1 year, and the health and care people is still not vaccinated ?

 

This is not about some patients who do not tell what they maybe do not know.

 

 

[Trujillo]

Last word on this: 
"Since you really haven't cited any falsifiable assertions ...."

 

I said it was false to assume that the current bump in positive tests for the virus that causes Covid-19 is solely attributable to Songkran travel.

Moreover, I pointed out that, "...Sungkran travel surely was a contributing factor...."

 

What are the hard numbers? One could look them up if necessary. But again, as I said (are you reading my posts?): "It wasn't like everyone was at home and suddenly there was a great unleashing of travel, thus the bump in positive cases."

 

Or is that last line false? Was it true that no one was traveling at all before Songkran. Come on; what is really bothering you? 

And as I said, would it not be prudent to look at other factors and not assume that Songkran travel was the only, and main culprit here? 

 

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1 minute ago, Trujillo said:

Last word on this: 
"Since you really haven't cited any falsifiable assertions ...."

 

I said it was false to assume that the current bump in positive tests for the virus that causes Covid-19 is solely attributable to Songkran travel.

Moreover, I pointed out that, "...Sungkran travel surely was a contributing factor...."

 

What are the hard numbers? One could look them up if necessary. But again, as I said (are you reading my posts?): "It wasn't like everyone was at home and suddenly there was a great unleashing of travel, thus the bump in positive cases."

 

Or is that last line false? Was it true that no one was traveling at all before Songkran. Come on; what is really bothering you? 

And as I said, would it not be prudent to look at other factors and not assume that Songkran travel was the only, and main culprit here? 

 

So much silliness and straw men here. I have never seen anyone anywhere contending that "no one was travelling at all before Songkran".

[FarangFB]

A lot of people can't afford being locked up for 2+ weeks, they have family to care for, pets, income that depends on them being at home at least.

 

The current system actually encourages people to not report anything and try to hide it as much as they can. I'm completely against keeping these asymptomatic people locked up, they should be just ordered to stay home with a heavy fine if caught outside.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

They would probably disclose more if there was an adequate system of support payments. As it is very few will disclose and risk losing income, lifestyle, car and house

[Kaopad999]

These <deleted> blame everyone else apart from themselves. 

[The Deerhunter]

Who would have thought it. People lying to the government or vice versa?

[wensiensheng]

4 hours ago, Trujillo said:

If you had been traveling before Sungkran, you would know that thousands and thousands of people were already traveling around the nation -- planes, trains, automobiles and buses. Moreover, if you look at the positive case dispersions you would have to make a very large leap of connection to pin them all on Sungkran travel. 

I know this is a convenient way to pigeonhole the cause of the recent outbreaks, and I am not supporting or defending the government -- they are quite capable of doing that themselves -- but rather, looking at the facts on the ground. I know, using facts to come to an understanding of something is a lost art, but still worth doing. 

 

I have a theory on why we have had more positive tests recently, but since I must cite sources for my opinions or characterizations, I will leave that to your own speculation. 

 

So yes, while Sungkran travel surely was a contributing factor, I don't believe it was the prime motivator. 

Yes, there was travel prior to Songkran. ..

And then there was a big thonglor cluster discovered just before songkran…

and then there was elevated volume of travelers during songkran.

 

put the cluster together with songkran travel and you get what we have now. Had there been a lockdown after the cluster, instead of songkran travel, then, sure, there would still have been cases, but fewer of them and in a more restricted area.

[Aussie999]

Seems a failed government is trying to shift the blame... again.
But hey, wait a minute, didn't their own ministers try to conceal their movements, as the saying goes, what's good for the goose, is good for the gander.. this "government" needs to firstly LOOK at itself.

[Emdog]

Seems there is a defacto "Don't ask, don't tell" policy here. Lack of financial support makes this inevitable.

[thesetat2013]

4 hours ago, Trujillo said:

If you had been traveling before Sungkran, you would know that thousands and thousands of people were already traveling around the nation -- planes, trains, automobiles and buses. Moreover, if you look at the positive case dispersions you would have to make a very large leap of connection to pin them all on Sungkran travel. 

I know this is a convenient way to pigeonhole the cause of the recent outbreaks, and I am not supporting or defending the government -- they are quite capable of doing that themselves -- but rather, looking at the facts on the ground. I know, using facts to come to an understanding of something is a lost art, but still worth doing. 

What thousands and thousands travelling? There were small numbers only traveling prior to songkran. People were still trying to work to make up lost income for the previous unnamed lockdown. Show me your proof of this ridiculous statement. As it is possible there was a small chance of covid spreading priir to covid. The songkran holiday boosted that chance measurably. So it was more likely that was the main cause of this recent outbreak. 

32 minutes ago, FarangFB said:

The current system actually encourages people to not report anything and try to hide it as much as they can. I'm completely against keeping these asymptomatic people locked up, they should be just ordered to stay home with a heavy fine if caught outside

Just remember. The current system also allowed a couple of government hi-so who blatantly withheld their whereabouts when they got infected . Thus showing all thais and foreigner alike that it is an easy thing to do and not likely something they would get caught at or get in trouble for if they also hide where they go. The sheep following the wolves.  Leadership held the responsibility to set the tone by example. So why blame the people when they just follow this same example? 

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[robertson468]

There is much more to the increased Covid numbers:

 

1.   Failure to purchase vaccines in good time, assuming that because they were successful last time, they would be this time - false assumption.

2.  Hi-sos going to night clubs, becoming infected and then passing it on to others.

3.  Failing to vaccinate the front line medical staff who are directly in the firing line to become infected, but rather vaccinating groups much less at risk, such as politicians.

4.  Allowing the whole Country to travel considerable more during a public holiday with infectious cases on the increase, instead of stopping inter Province travel, to reduce the risk of spread.

5.  Allowing ineficiency and incompetance to continue for too long thereby putting the public at greater risk.

 

Of course part of Thainess is blame shifting, which is what the Government is now doing.  Sorry Government, the people are not in charge, you are and if you identify a risk factor you are responsible for addressing it, this is what Governing is about!

 

[Paul Knight]

Who would have thought that these people (Thais), would lie, I mean as the PM said months ago, Thais do not do this, well guess what they do and it they do not care who they hurt . Amazing Thailand living up to it's name 

[Badrabbit]

I use the Mor Chana appt which most of the time does not work, just like most online things here!!

[Cake Monster]

5 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

No one seems to want to disclose the true facts of their lives to this Government as to where they have been or what they do on their own time.  Problem, yes.  They have to be scared they have done something wrong or do not want to imposition friends and others, but failing to disclose just makes it keep on spreading and takes out the needed medical staff who are needed to assist those that are sick.

The people who are failing to disclose their Timelines Etc are certainly one of the major problems.

With some 512 health Care Workers being Infected since April 1st, would suggest to me that there are insufficient Procedures / Training, or PPE in place to protect these hard working people.

All people going to any Hospital should be greeted by fully protected personnel, and not allowed to go to A & E, or whatever before diagnosis of Covid is found / not found

it should be found outside the Front Door, with rapid testing.

Anybody with life threatening problems should of course go straight through without this test.

However, they should only be in contact with Staff in full PPE.

And keep the Hordes of Family and friends out of the treatment rooms, who probably have not been tested either.

 

 

[RedRoadRunner]

The real ‘virus’ in Thailand is sitting somewhere else...

 

[Lingba]

and the lack of progressive action by the govt has nothing to do with it

[suestra29]

Perhaps the government, the generals and friends  having their Astra Zeneca instead of using it for the medical staff might be the cause. 

[chalawaan]

Didn't high ranking officials "failing to disclose information" start this third wave mess in the first place? The usual suspects, the top brass, pointing the finger downstairs as always, it's only a matter of time now before the masses get sick of it -and turn as one.

Also, maybe the scientific fact that the variants are far more virulent has also got something to do with it? 

[Jimbo2014]

6 hours ago, webfact said:

People who have concealed information to medical staff are being blamed for the spike of COVID-19 cases.

 

They probably just got use to feeling ill from burning season ????