Israel Will Compensate Thai Workers Hit by Missile Strike

[covidiot]

7 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

Should USA cease to exist? Mass suicide? Any other ideas?

withdraw financial support?

 

[NB1986]

9 hours ago, BenDeCosta said:

 

Hamas started the conflict by firing unguided, makeshift rockets into Israel indiscriminately. What should Israel do? Nothing?

 

Hamas hide in residential areas so that when Israel counter attack, they can use the civilian deaths as a political bargaining chip. 

 

Hamas are responsible for all deaths, including children. If they had not attacked, nobody would have died. Israel only want to defend themselves, they don't want to kill people, unlike Hamas.

 

 

Edited May 20, 2021 by NB1986

[Logosone]

28 minutes ago, Zikomat said:

 I have edited your post a little bit. The westerners destroyed the whole civilization in America. What about this specific ‘stain of shame’? Does it worry you the same way the Palestinian problem does?  What is you practical solution for getting rid of this “shame on our record”? Should USA cease to exist? Mass suicide? Any other ideas?

 

 

 

It does actually, it was also horrific, I was just the other day reading about the Taino who were wiped out by the colonialists, awful loss, but there is a crucial difference. The USA proceeded to become an open, welcoming society, eventually, because they were not encumbered by a religious dogma. Before the law everyone is treated equally in the US now, even if there are black and white tensions, Germans, French, Chinese, Japanese, Irish, Italians, everybody could come to the US and before the law is treated equally or has a good chance to be.

 

By way of contrast, "Israel's laws allow Jews to file claims over land in the West Bank and East Jerusalem which they may have owned prior to 1948, but reject Palestinian claims over land in Israel which they owned."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute#:~:text=The Sheikh Jarrah property dispute,Palestinian refugees and Israeli Jews.

 

In Israel even Jews are not treated equally, with women unable to use buses on certain days.

 

Whilst most Jews adhered to social distancing rules Orthodox jews flouted and ignored those rules at will. Religious law applies in parts of Israel. Religious law! In 2021! 

 

Israel is basically a gangster state with killing lists, that has sent killers to places like Norway who have killed the wrong people. Whereas the US, by contrast....wait, I see what you mean....

 

No, in all seriousness, all these issues resolve themselves, and just as the USA is on the path of being fatally weakened and supplanted, no doubt at all Israel will decline and suffer the dusty fate which it deserves. No state will enjoy the blossoming Israel and the US have forever. All states decline.

 

 

[Logosone]

44 minutes ago, covidiot said:

withdraw financial support?

 

 

That's actually an excellent idea. I love dealing with Americans, fantastic clients who always pay well, but we are already seeing how the US has alieanted European leaders who have devised their own credit card authorities and are clearly set on a path of divesting from the US, who are now regarded as an unreliable partner. The dependency on the US will decrease and decrease until it is gone completely. 

 

And the boycott Israel movement should  gather momentum now, as the world keeps seeing the atrocities Israel commits on innocent children. I am absolutely furious when I see Israeli produce in my supermarket and always make a point to ask the manager if it is necessary to sell Israeli goods, given that it is a criminal state oppressing its people.

 

For now of course Germany, Britain and France can not embark on a full on boycott of Israel as the fifth columns in those countries make sure that the holocaust is skilfully used as a stick to beat anyone critical of Israel (witness the idiotic German media running features on poor Jews in Germany subject to protests from Turks and Arabs, with no mention of 61 children that were killed by the IDF).

 

But we know too much. Even highly intelligent jews like Norman Finkelstein, one of the greatest minds of our age, have the moral courage to call out the crimes of Israel. One day Germany, France, Britain and the US will all do the same. We know too much.

 

"Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer, hitherto Israel’s staunchest defender in the U.S. Congress, fell mute during Israel’s latest massacre.  (He eventually signed onto a statement calling for a ceasefire.)  In addition, there wasn’t a single major rally in support of Israel in New York City.  In the past, Israel’s supporters were able to muster a million Jews and every local politician.  It seems the tide has turned."

 

http://normanfinkelstein.com/2021/05/19/the-single-most-significant-fact-about-israels-latest-massacre-in-gaza/

Edited May 20, 2021 by Logosone

[covidiot]

4 minutes ago, Logosone said:

Even highly intelligent jews like Norman Finkelstein, one of the greatest minds of our age, have the moral courage to call out the crimes of Israel.

 

http://www.bu.edu/articles/2010/noam-chomsky-rails-against-israel-again/

Noam Chomsky rails against Israel, conjures images of apartheid, and the United States as a Mafia Don.

 

Roger Waters of Pink Floyd is going on an anti-Israel crusade.

 

Ireland raised the flag of Palestine I think.

 

 

[Logosone]

50 minutes ago, candide said:

From what I understand from the Israeli government's statements, these properties used to belong to Jewish owners before the war and have been seized after 1948, so so it is fair to give back these properties to the people who have acquired property rights from the original owners. Kind of right of return of Jews. What they forget to say is that the families who have been lodged in these properties by the U.N., were refugees whose properties have been seized after the war. Another example of double standards.

 

The full story of the Sheikh Jarrah dispute is like a Hollywood movie waiting to happen that would put Erin Brokovich to shame, a story including forged documents, and outright judicial corruption. Of course not a Hollywood movie Spielberg will make. The Israeli settlers claimed they owned the property in Ottoman times, or rather their predecessors in title, only for Palestinian lawyers to dig up Ottoman documents that showed that the Jews back then did not own but rent those properties. The Israeli court said it was too late to consider those documents. It was actually the British, as always, who caused the problem. It was them who threw out the 100 or so jews who rented property there, in about 1948. The Jordanians went a step further, but compensated the jews they threw out with properties in West Jerusalem, which did not stop the descendants from now claiming the Sheikh Jarrah properties on top! Indeed, in 1956 the UN then devised a scheme to allow Palestinians to live there, but since the Palestinians say that the occupation is illegal the Jewish courts have no jurisdiction, so why should they pay rent when Palestinian law forbids sale of land to Jews.

 

The thing is though before 1956 , "In 1948, approximately 750,000 Palestinians were displaced from their homes, and about 400 Palestinian towns and villages were depopulated, in areas which fell under Israeli control. In West Jerusalem the overwhelming mass of the wealthy Palestinian community, some 28,000, of which only roughly 750 (mostly Greeks and Christians) were permitted to remain, fled or was expelled and their property was ransacked, subsequently confiscated and distributed to Jews... In 1970, on the other hand, Israel enacted a law to allow Jews to reclaim property which they owned in East Jerusalem, despite having already been given expropriated Palestinian-owned property in compensation. This asymmetry has been pointed out by numerous observers.

 

This arrangement does not exist in the rest of the West Bank, as the Israeli government decided that it would create tension, risk public order and lead to equivalent and much more numerous claims by West Bank Palestinians to reclaim their property in Israel."

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute#:~:text=The Sheikh Jarrah property dispute,Palestinian refugees and Israeli Jews.

[covidiot]

This video is 4 hours long ... 

Just watched the first 5 minutes. Speaker said Israel is committing war crimes and is not complying with international law.

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AkHXXZJ6Flg

The United Nations General Assembly is holding a meeting at the UN headquarters in New York City on Thursday, May 20, to discuss the situation in Palestine amid the escalating conflict with Israel.

Edited May 20, 2021 by covidiot

[suite]

That Palestinians in Jerusalem could be killed by Hamas rockets, and that Palestinians in Gaza were sure to die from the Israeli responses, mattered not in the least to Hamas leaders. They embed themselves underground and in tunnels they reserve for their weapons and fighters but not their public. The tens of thousands of rockets and the tunnels they have built consume steel, metal, electrical wiring, cement — all of which could be used for construction in impoverished Gaza, but they are not because that is not Hamas’ concern.

When the current battle is over, Gaza will be even more devastated, with overwhelming need for reconstruction, but Hamas’ first priority (with Iranian support) will be rebuilding its military arsenal so it can again attack Israeli cities.

Any future policy must ensure that Hamas cannot rebuild its arsenal, for sooner or later it will use it.

 

https://news.yahoo.com/op-ed-world-could-help-211304938.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly9sb2dpbi55YWhvby5jb20v&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAASHb_Gx1APrQwlbHLbpQ4ftjK5X3oxl8NWYgUmtFryFqm0XTGjK4DMcJ3GD4y4waqNJeII0QiOpPYDonmgwF3tmwjAn6IED26yUiiz4YazM2dEdGeCTp0X6dMYm62pCnPQhfVQ8E65MrDnWkM6G3akPgs5J13YAtSODP6Zb836h

[TheFishman1]

If you lived in the country and the terrorist organization by the name of Hamas has fired over 2000 missiles Into your country what would you do turn the other cheek Isreal for many many years and tried to make peace with their neighbors there’s always two sides  To be continued

[TheFishman1]

 When a terrorist organization uses civilians as human shields and fire missiles next-door from where families are living what would you expect to happen it’s amazing to me how people cannot look at the factual realities of life over there you’re dealing with a terrorist organization that wants to bring down a democratic society at any cost TII

[jacko45k]

12 hours ago, BenDeCosta said:

so that Jewish families can sit down and have a family meal

In the homes they built on land they have pushed Palestinians out of......stolen land. 

[hotchilli]

16 hours ago, Kasset Tak said:

25-30 Thai farm workers die in Israel every year, on their death certificates it just says "Sudden Death Syndrome" so employers or Israeli insurance don't have to pay any compensations to their families! The real issue is that they have no or inadequate PPE when working with chemicals (Israel use most agro chemicals in the world!), and the owners of the farms knows and abuse this as those who complain about anything usually gets fired, arrested and ultimately deported!

So, at least the families of these two will get some kind of compensation from Israel!!!

Debatable....

[TKDfella]

While the roots of this conflict go back a long way what it was like back then is no comparison to now. It isn't swords, bows & arrows, hand to hand fighting or rocks anymore. Also way back then  they had very little in the way of back up from other nations. Today it's just the opposite, the weapons of today not only kill people directly but the buildings that tumble under a strike also kill. The world's nations back one or the other...and supply the ammo. It's a massive tragedy but I fear it won't stop until one or other side is completely defeated.

I suppose compensation to a couple of Thai families will be received well but it won't stop the deaths happening again to others/replacements.

[robblok]

9 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

No that is the tragedy. The Palestinians can never defeat Israel, because the Muslims are too divided, there was a chance early on, but with French, British and American weapons the Israelis had air superiority and those attempts failed. Now the Palestinians are forever destined to fight their occupiers with stones, 300 USD rockets and periodic uprisings. However, continued terror on Israelis may well lead Israel to make concessions, it is conceivable. More likely however will be that the genocidal policies of Israel, which include massive large scale re-population of areas (the precise issue with this latest conflict ) will eventually succeed in eradicating the whole Palestinian people. But that process will take hundreds of years. It does not happen over night.

 

It is conceivable that Iran does build nuclear weapons, but even then it is inconceivable they will use them on Israel as it would mean the instant nuclear destruction of Iran.

 

So the suffering of the Palestinians is set to continue for hundreds of years I fear. Even if Israel were to make a fair and equitable attempt to divide the lands fairly that would be bound to fail. You can not make peace with the people who steal your homes and land. Palestinians will always feel that Palestine is their homeland and was stolen from them. And that is what happened, due to the British collusion with the Zionists, because Balfour had a religious delusion.

 

 

fter a while of peace did they agree to it. So if the Arabs first stop all their violence then maybe they can get some land back.

 

Palestine was never a country. Could you point it on the map please ? No land was stolen. Land has been changing hands in that Area forever. They were ruled by the Ottemans, then the Brits they never had their own country. So no land was stolen. Just an other boss in charge. That is how things happen. Also dont forget your own country its faults for making this happen. I mean had you guys not beein such cruel people back then they would not have moved. Maybe the Jews should get part of Germany as compensation ?

 

You like to blame everyone but your own country.

 

So fact is there was no Palestine, there was an Otteman empire that got defeated by the Brits. Before that the West had even held parts of Israel. So how long back do you want to go. But no matter how long back you go there is NO Palestine ever. 

Edited May 21, 2021 by robblok

[TKDfella]

12 minutes ago, TKDfella said:

While the roots of this conflict go back a long way what it was like back then is no comparison to now. It isn't swords, bows & arrows, hand to hand fighting or rocks anymore. Also way back then  they had very little in the way of back up from other nations. Today it's just the opposite, the weapons of today not only kill people directly but the buildings that tumble under a strike also kill. The world's nations back one or the other...and supply the ammo. It's a massive tragedy but I fear it won't stop until one or other side is completely defeated.

I suppose compensation to a couple of Thai families will be received well but it won't stop the deaths happening again to others/replacements.

Good to read that there is a new cease-fire...how long will it last?

[BKKTRAVELER]

What is most disconcerting is the fact that on a news and visa forum in Thailand, a country where none of this affects us, we still can't conciliate and try to agree about this matter. Everyone is camping on their positions, almost verbally attacking each other.

 

No wonder they can't find a solution over there, where it is actually happening...

 

That is my only take on the matter.

[Kasset Tak]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Debatable....

It depends on how you count! If you count the total tonnage of agro chemicals used, then US and China are in top, but if you count the amount of agro chemicals used per ton food produced, then Israel and US end up in top...
that's why many countries, like in Europe and Thailand are skeptical to import American and Israeli products as they use lots of agro chemicals, and many of those chemicals are banned in a majority of the world as they are harmful. Just remember Roundup that is so safe that you can drink it... but it will give you cancer!

[nightfox]

My bet is on Hamas breaking the ceasefire just like they do every time a ceasefire is reached as peace is not in their arsenal.

[SomchaiCNX]

17 hours ago, Logosone said:

 

Errrr, Israeli pilots fly the planes that drop bombs that kill 61 children, Israeli politicians order it, but other people are responsible for the war crimes? Bit of a logic fail there.

 

Those that killed the children should be responsible. 

How many US, British, French, Chinese and who the heck more politicians have been arrested for the same crime? Who hide in urban area's and use civilians a human shield? 

[SomchaiCNX]

5 minutes ago, Kasset Tak said:

It depends on how you count! If you count the total tonnage of agro chemicals used, then US and China are in top, but if you count the amount of agro chemicals used per ton food produced, then Israel and US end up in top...
that's why many countries, like in Europe and Thailand are skeptical to import American and Israeli products as they use lots of agro chemicals, and many of those chemicals are banned in a majority of the world as they are harmful. Just remember Roundup that is so safe that you can drink it... but it will give you cancer!

And when it becomes to hot just sell your company to Bayer and .............

[SomchaiCNX]

THat whole Gaza strip should be cleaned and moved to the west bank. It is the UN who created this mess.

[Jingthing]

2 hours ago, robblok said:

fter a while of peace did they agree to it. So if the Arabs first stop all their violence then maybe they can get some land back.

 

Palestine was never a country. Could you point it on the map please ? No land was stolen. Land has been changing hands in that Area forever. They were ruled by the Ottemans, then the Brits they never had their own country. So no land was stolen. Just an other boss in charge. That is how things happen. Also dont forget your own country its faults for making this happen. I mean had you guys not beein such cruel people back then they would not have moved. Maybe the Jews should get part of Germany as compensation ?

 

You like to blame everyone but your own country.

 

So fact is there was no Palestine, there was an Otteman empire that got defeated by the Brits. Before that the West had even held parts of Israel. So how long back do you want to go. But no matter how long back you go there is NO Palestine ever. 

This guy explains it well:

 

 

[robblok]

14 minutes ago, Jingthing said:

This guy explains it well:

 

 

Too bad that the ultra orthodox jews are not that peace loving, same goes for Hamas. People are caught in the middle if they did what this guy said things would get better for sure. 

[candide]

4 hours ago, robblok said:

So fact is there was no Palestine, there was an Otteman empire that got defeated by the Brits. 

Same of several other parts of the Ottoman empire which were not a country at that time: Irak, Algeria, some countries in the Balkan region. Mind you, even Turkey did not exist under this empire.

Whatever the name, they have the same right as other people in the world to keep their properties and choose their destiny.

Edited May 21, 2021 by candide

[Logosone]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

Palestine was never a country. Could you point it on the map please ? No land was stolen. Land has been changing hands in that Area forever. They were ruled by the Ottemans, then the Brits they never had their own country. So no land was stolen.

 

So fact is there was no Palestine, there was an Otteman empire that got defeated by the Brits. Before that the West had even held parts of Israel. So how long back do you want to go. But no matter how long back you go there is NO Palestine ever. 

 

No there was no Otteman empire, and no Entenmann empire either, there was an Ottoman empire however. You know one wonders sometimes how it is that Israel can get away with killing 61 children, women, civilians, why the world, which as we saw with Panama, Irak, Grenada, Lebanon, Korea, Bosnia of course has the power to deal with injustice in rogue countries, does not take Israel to task for its horrific crimes such as killing 61 children in May 2021. Then one reads this drivel and one can understand. The abject ignorance of people is almost incredible.

 

So you think no land was stolen because Palestine was subject to Ottoman and British occupation? I think you'll find that the concept of property pre-dates the Ottoman empire. If Palestinians did not own property under the Ottoman Empire, how is it that an Israeli court has adjudicated on Palestinian and Jewish property deeds from the Ottoman empire era in the Sheikh Jarrah property dispute, which ignited this recent conflict?

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sheikh_Jarrah_property_dispute#:~:text=The Sheikh Jarrah property dispute,Palestinian refugees and Israeli Jews.

 

Just because the Ottoman empire was in charge does not mean property did not exist, genius. Palestinians held title to their land under the Ottoman empire. 

 

But then your ridiculous claim that there was no Palestine ever, shows you clearly have a horse in the race, one can't be that ignorant. At the latest since Norman Finkelstein dissected this preposterous claim made by Joan Peters in the book From Time Immemorial and exposed it as the ludicrous forgery it was, everyone knows that Israeli claims that Palestine never existed, Palestinians were not indigenous etc, are sheer fantasy.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/From_Time_Immemorial

 

 

There was no Palestine, lol. That's probably why Herodotus wrote in the 5th century BC in The Histories of a "district of Syria, called Palaistine". Fact is Muslims conquered Palestine as early as 636–640. Before that Palestine was part of Syria.

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muslim_conquest_of_the_Levant

 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Logosone

[sawadee1947]

21 hours ago, robblok said:

Total mess over there will never be solved.

Well, only on high level by polititians.

Israel got a democrtic elected Govt, whereas on the other side there are 2 groups of terrorists. The one is Hamas, the other Fatah. 

Elections were postponed, 

an arrangement only possible if Palestine speaks with one voice. 

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, candide said:

Same of several other parts of the Ottoman empire which were not a country at that time: Irak, Algeria, some countries in the Balkan region. Mind you, even Turkey did not exist under this empire.

Whatever the name, they have the same right as other people in the world to keep their properties and choose their destiny.

Keeping their properties YES. Choose their destiny not really that is up the country they live in. Like i said just an other boss. In the middle east this has always been the case. Yes Israel should respect property rights however if safety is an issue they should be allowed to take land (like for the wall that prevents terrorist attacks). I am not for the removal of Arabs for orthodox jews. 

 

Just for your info were people free to choose their destiny under the Turks ? i doubt not the Turks decided as did the English. That is how the world works. 

[darksidedog]

A rather nasty post has been removed along with subsequent replies.

11) You will not post slurs, degrading or overly negative comments directed towards Thailand, specific locations, Thai institutions such as the judicial or law enforcement system, Thai culture, Thai people or any other group on the basis of race, nationality, religion, gender or sexual orientation.

Stay on the topic under discussion, namely Israel compensating Thai workers hit by a missile. We do not need a discussion of the history of the region thanks.

[candide]

51 minutes ago, robblok said:

Keeping their properties YES. Choose their destiny not really that is up the country they live in. Like i said just an other boss. In the middle east this has always been the case. Yes Israel should respect property rights however if safety is an issue they should be allowed to take land (like for the wall that prevents terrorist attacks). I am not for the removal of Arabs for orthodox jews. 

 

Just for your info were people free to choose their destiny under the Turks ? i doubt not the Turks decided as did the English. That is how the world works. 

Following this line of thought, no people who had been previously under the domination of another people should have the right to choose their destiny?

The right to self-determination is recognised under international law and as an ethical concept. The law of the strongest is not (although international law often acknowledges it after the fact).

[Donga]

1 hour ago, Logosone said:

 

Lol, there was no Palestine.

 

Maybe try and educate yourself and stop reading drivel like Joan Peters' From Time Immemorial and other propaganda lies:

 

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Palestine

 

Palestinians have a long history deeply rooted in the territory of Palestine, long before the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century even.  Before the Arab conquest of Palestine in the 7th century Palestine was part of Syria.

When you say Palestine was part of Syria, please show a map that portrays that. What races lived in this enclave? Until the last century, Palestine was a broad term initially used by the Greeks and the Romans to indicate a region, somewhat amorphous, a bit like the Levant.

During the Crusades, Palestine was the term used for the Holy Lands, which also included what is now Jordan and parts of Lebanon, Syria. The term Palestinians to refer to a race of people was not established until the British mandate of 1947.. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Palestine_(region)

And here's a link to a very neat collection of maps, which further reinforce how confusing this whole region has been for a very long time... https://www.vox.com/a/maps-explain-the-middle-east
 

Edited May 21, 2021 by Donga