webfact Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 AFP The first 14 batches of AstraZeneca vaccine, produced by Thai pharmaceutical company Siam Bioscience, have passed the quality tests of the Thai Department of Medical Sciences. The department director-general, Dr. Supakit Sirilak, said that samples of the first five lots of AstraZeneca vaccine and the next nine lots, sent to the department by Siam Bioscience, have met the department’s quality standard, following tests. He said, however, that the department is waiting for a summary production protocol from the drug company before it can issue the release document for use. Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thai-medical-sciences-department-approves-first-14-batches-of-locally-produced-astrazeneca-vaccine/ -- © Copyright Thai PBS 2021-06-01 - Whatever you're going through, the Samaritans are here for you - Follow Thaivisa on LINE for breaking COVID-19 updates Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 7 minutes ago, webfact said: He said, however, that the department is waiting for a summary production protocol from the drug company before it can issue the release document for use. There's always a catch. So when can we expect the document? "About six million doses of the vaccine are expected to be delivered this month." This is great news. Edited June 1, 2021 by mtls2005 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Nojohndoe Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Given the urgency it has to be wondered why the Summary Protocol was not supplied with the batch material ! 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tropicalevo Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, Nojohndoe said: Given the urgency it has to be wondered why the Summary Protocol was not supplied with the batch material ! Maybe they are buying time? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Susco Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, Tropicalevo said: Maybe they are buying time? Shouldn't they be buying vaccines instead? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sammieuk1 Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 I would want to wait or batch 15 personally ???? 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, Tropicalevo said: Maybe they are buying time? Perhaps. Or they were not 100% confident about quality approval? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jacko45k Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: There's always a catch. So when can we expect the document? "About six million doses of the vaccine are expected to be delivered this month." This is great news. Ooops, we still need just one more bit of red tape...flickering of fingers from behind back! They just cant stop themselves and bow to a sense of urgency can they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post mtls2005 Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 OK, so is "batch" a scientific term? Unit of measurement? How many vials (5 ml, 10 doses) in a batch? I searched a bit but it seems like most reports in the press use batch to denote a specific delivery amount. Just once I'd like to see someone offer precise and transparent information. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post holy cow cm Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Oh but because fortune teller tell to big guy in control that bad luck to use number 13 and number 4, and no good - no good and cannot multiples number four as beware bad omen bad luck and amulet cannot protect, we cancel 4, 8, 12, 13, and because 14 have 4 in it we no use same same. 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petedk Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: There's always a catch. So when can we expect the document? "About six million doses of the vaccine are expected to be delivered this month." This is great news. If it's anything like the government offices I have dealt with - anything from 3 weeks to 6 months. The papers have to be signed by 3 or 4 different people and the one who has to sign is always "not in the office", "travelling on business". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodknock Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 how many doses in a batch? pigs fly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
worgeordie Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Read yesterday, they have contaminates in the UK produced Astra Zeneca , but I am sure the Thai produced Vaccine will be better...... regards worgeordie 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bradiston Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 And what the heck is a "summary production protocol" and why hasn't it been supplied already? I thought the FDA was in charge, but now we have the Thai department of medical science running the show. It's impossible to figure out the chain of command in the Thai government. Endless departments, committees, ministries. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Hayduke Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 23 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: Just once I'd like to see someone offer precise and transparent information. That is not a valid option....please make another selection. Edited June 1, 2021 by Hayduke 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoffggi Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 4 minutes ago, rodknock said: how many doses in a batch? pigs fly Will this be a big batch or small batch??? .................LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeffr2 Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 5 minutes ago, rodknock said: how many doses in a batch? pigs fly Per the manufactured, it's 10. And has nothing to do with pigs. 1 minute ago, worgeordie said: Read yesterday, they have contaminates in the UK produced Astra Zeneca , but I am sure the Thai produced Vaccine will be better...... regards worgeordie Most vaccines have had issues. J&J dump millions. Russia's had issues. AZ has had issues. It's new stuff and they're making them as fast as they can. And for sure, we need them! Fingers crossed this new manufacturing facility will do well. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Excel Posted June 1, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, Geoffggi said: Will this be a big batch or small batch??? .................LOL How about the only batch for a few weeks ? Possibly flown in to pretend it was actually manufactured in Thailand perhaps ? wouldn't put that past them. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 16 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: OK, so is "batch" a scientific term? Unit of measurement? How many vials (5 ml, 10 doses) in a batch? I searched a bit but it seems like most reports in the press use batch to denote a specific delivery amount. Just once I'd like to see someone offer precise and transparent information. Batch is a term to denote that its production is completely independent and verifiable. That's all really 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rodknock Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 6 more days, then another excuse! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, mtls2005 said: 4 minutes ago, rodknock said: 6 more days, then another excuse! It’s so exciting. I can hardly wait! Edited June 1, 2021 by wensiensheng 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excel Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 10 minutes ago, ourmanflint said: Batch is a term to denote that its production is completely independent and verifiable. That's all really Actually that is incorrect. The definition of a batch is thus:- noun a quantity or consignment of goods produced at one time. "a batch of cookies" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, Nojohndoe said: Given the urgency it has to be wondered why the Summary Protocol was not supplied with the batch material ! Presumably because if the batches had not passed muster, then they would potentially have had to go back and make changes to the production protocol. It would make no sense to submit a production protocol summary if it was going to have to be changed. Edited June 1, 2021 by GroveHillWanderer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 1 hour ago, mtls2005 said: There's always a catch. So when can we expect the document? "About six million doses of the vaccine are expected to be delivered this month." This is great news. I believe that six million figure has been superseded with one of just two million. Unfortunately. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bradiston Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 (edited) 5 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Presumably because if the batches had not passed muster, then they would very probably have had to go back and make changes to the production protocol. It would make no sense to submit a production protocol summary if it was going to have to be changed. But the production protocol would need to be checked in any event. Surely a routine matter. It should accompany every batch. Not sure of Siam Bioscience's previous experience in these matters to be honest. Edited June 1, 2021 by bradiston Extra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wensiensheng Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 Just now, GroveHillWanderer said: Presumably because if the batches had not passed muster, then they would very probably have had to go back and make changes to the production protocol. It would make no sense to submit a production protocol summary if it was going to have to be changed. Except if confident in their product, it would have saved time? And if it had to be changed, nothing lost except some changes to a document? Assuming time is of the essence in these things. Maybe it isn’t. But there IS a pandemic going on. Don’t know much about summery production protocols tbh. ????♂️ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
internationalism Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 the last thursday 25th may they have approved 9 batches. every few days they will approve more, but counting from 1 and calling them "first batches". That way figures would multiply in public perception like rabbits " that nine production lots of the AstraZeneca vaccine, manufactured locally by Siam Bioscience, passed quality inspection by the Department on May 25th." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 36 minutes ago, mtls2005 said: OK, so is "batch" a scientific term? Unit of measurement? How many vials (5 ml, 10 doses) in a batch? I searched a bit but it seems like most reports in the press use batch to denote a specific delivery amount. Just once I'd like to see someone offer precise and transparent information. IIRC, earlier reports said there were 1 or 2 million doses in different batches that were submitted for testing. There was no indication in the articles I saw, that the batches were submitted as separate vials, they could have been submitted in a large vat containing all the doses together. Some comments on these earlier reports suggested the numbers might have been incorrect but I don't know whether that's the case or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nojohndoe Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 7 minutes ago, GroveHillWanderer said: Presumably because if the batches had not passed muster, then they would potentially have had to go back and make changes to the production protocol. It would make no sense to submit a production protocol summary if it was going to have to be changed. Which would imply there already exists a detailed production record to refer to for correction of one or more processing steps . The "protocol summary" is exactly that and reference to it by the manufacturer to any variations of all or any batch can be useful in streamlining future production. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ourmanflint Posted June 1, 2021 Share Posted June 1, 2021 15 minutes ago, Excel said: Actually that is incorrect. The definition of a batch is thus:- noun a quantity or consignment of goods produced at one time. "a batch of cookies" at one time == completely independent so both are correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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