No to nightlife, yes to vaccinations: can Thailand’s Pattaya rebrand and reopen?

[JonnyF]

47 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Open the doors and those girls will stop planting rice and be back to Pattaya to open-up again faster than you could ever imagine.

 

Thailand can open it's doors any time it wants. But until it's population is vaccinated it won't be on the green lists of foreign countries and hence most tourists will go elsewhere.

 

How will an Aussie come here if Australia won't allow international tourism? How about a Brit, who faces 10 days quarantine on return to the UK because Thailand isn't on the green list? When will China allow it's citizens to travel without major inconvenience?

 

This isn't Thailand's decision to make but their hubris prevents them from seeing this.

[petermik]

7 hours ago, keithkarmann said:

A lot of new ones as well?

daughters and even granddaughters...????

[0815]

Millions of families will come to Pattaya to enjoy the famous great beaches and the great service. No?

[petermik]

7 hours ago, 0815 said:

Millions of families will come to Pattaya to enjoy the famous great beaches and the great service. No?

U got it in one.....????

[tomyami]

If you want to change it you will need lots of bulldozers its not just soi s6 lots of small soi especiailly around back of tucom  Golf and sex keep it simple

Edited June 8, 2021 by tomyami

[poskat]

Coke rebranded as New Coke, and Las Vegas rebranded as a family-friendly destination.

 

Both learned the "if it aint broke dont fix it" lesson very quickly.

 

Rebranding pattaya is just another form of searching for the ever-elusive high quality tourist

[SchuetzRob]

2 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Millions of males in the world want to come.

Lockdowns, divorces and bad relationships they want to escape their purgatory lives and be here.

The 2 week millionaires do in fact provide a plus to the economy in many ways ie: airlines, restaurants, hotels, transportation, domestic travel/activities, etc.  Not just girls in bars.

 

I do not see Pattaya's demise.  

 

Well, without bars, women and sex I guess the millions of males will congregate in temples and then enjoy thai food????

[NanLaew]

7 minutes ago, chang1 said:

15 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

Does it really? Being fully vaccinated is purely a personal protection that should reduce the severity of the symptoms of any infection. Being double-shotted does not prevent you catching it or spreading it and offers no protections to others, vaccinated or otherwise.

 

Vaccine 101.

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Being vaccinated reduces your chance of infecting others as well so not just a personal choice. Your decision whether to vaccinate or not can affect others. 

 

Sorry, the jury is still out on the vaccines impact on asymptomatic carriers which is a still a rather clouded area of transmission theory. This early in the game, it is still PRIMARILY only a personal protection. The CDC says as much.

 

"Based on what we know about vaccines for other diseases and early data from clinical trials, experts believe that getting a COVID-19 vaccine also helps keep you from getting seriously ill even if you do get COVID-19. ...

 

A growing body of evidence suggests that fully vaccinated people are less likely to be infected without showing symptoms (called an asymptomatic infection) and potentially less likely to spread the virus that causes COVID-19 to others. However, further investigation is ongoing."

 

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/vaccine-benefits.html

 

 

[thurien]

2 hours ago, Ralf001 said:

 

Not at the moment, most have gone back home and are planting rice.

 

in TH we mostly sow (not plant) rice; and the months of sowing are well over - now the girls sell lady drinks via internet, nothing else to do. And play with their sibblings who do not recognize mother anymore

[ChrisKC]

IF families go to Pataya, while walking along the promenade, The children will ask,

 

"why is Dad looking at all those girls?"

"I think he knows them, dear". And some of them are men"

"Dad...

 

Mum says, "let's go shopping, I need a new handbag"

[JonnyF]

17 minutes ago, ChrisKC said:

IF families go to Pataya, while walking along the promenade, The children will ask,

 

"why is Dad looking at all those girls?"

"I think he knows them, dear". And some of them are men"

"Dad...

 

Mum says, "let's go shopping, I need a new handbag"

 

Similar thing when my sister and her family visited Hua Hin. I popped down for the weekend and we went out for a meal and stumbled upon Soi Bintabaht.

 

My 9 year old niece (at the time) spotted them a mile off and kept asking why the men were dressed as women. To compound that awkward conversation, my sister turned around to see a bargirl giving the universal "BJ" gesture to my brother-in-law behind her back.

 

Lovely place for families.????

[chang1]

As I have said before, Pattaya should concentrate on what it does well. Cheap sleazy bars full of girls is what it can do better than most cities in the world and is world famous for it already.  Why try to reinvent itself into yet another bland family resort where it has to compete with Spain? 

When I first came to Thailand it was not to be with families - I came to get away from them and experience a totally different type of holiday. Personally I preferred Samui 20 years ago but since families took over there Pattaya was one of the few interesting places to go even though I now am with my family. 

As someone else pointed out - who wants to go to Khoa San Road anymore since it got modernised? 20 years ago it was always my first stop. Now I avoid it altogether. It used to be interesting and an experience now it is just ugly and a chore.

Pattaya evolved, what worked flourished same as Khoa San had. Bring in the snobs with their big redevelopment plans and all that will be lost. Spend the money on things that compliment what's already there - nicer beaches and improved travel links are all that it needed. 

Don't make it bland as we already have Tenerife for that and Pattaya can never compete with it.

[BestB]

How on earth do they expect or plan to have it as a family resort where there are hardly any foot paths around, hardly any zebra crossings, not that anyone stops anyways, no parks , no kids playgrounds , most locals including officials can hardly speak any English but bark out words in English rudely and abruptly. As if thai is the only polite language , English does not need please or thank you or low tone instead of screaming.

 

place has worked as is for half a century , let it be.

 

If they so determined to have “families” develop brand new family areas away from walking street. 
 

build new sidewalks , parks and then have  much greater chance at success 

[IraqRon]

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Open the doors and those girls will stop planting rice and be back to Pattaya to open-up again faster than you could ever imagine.

Yes, but will they be double vaccinated?  

[ChipButty]

3 minutes ago, IraqRon said:

Yes, but will they be double vaccinated?  

A few of them have been injected 

[NanLaew]

16 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

Similar thing when my sister and her family visited Hua Hin. I popped down for the weekend and we went out for a meal and stumbled upon Soi Bintabaht.

 

My 9 year old niece (at the time) spotted them a mile off and kept asking why the men were dressed as women. To compound that awkward conversation, my sister turned around to see a bargirl giving the universal "BJ" gesture to my brother-in-law behind her back.

 

Lovely place for families.????

 

[NanLaew]

9 minutes ago, IraqRon said:

1 hour ago, hotchilli said:

Open the doors and those girls will stop planting rice and be back to Pattaya to open-up again faster than you could ever imagine.

Yes, but will they be double vaccinated?

 

Will the punters be double vaccinated?

[skorp13]

Perhaps they should have a wander around Pattaya then check out many other family friendly tourist destinations and see where Pattaya ranks. What they are trying to take away is the only thing really worth coming for in comparison. It is the sex industry that built Pattaya, no other way around it.

[JonnyF]

3 minutes ago, NanLaew said:

 

 

One does when one is staying at the Hilton and has never had the misfortune to stay in Hua Hin before.

 

[redwood1]

5 hours ago, sezze said:

100% right . Families are not going to fly across the world right now , not gonna happen . You can even offer many free things ,  

Maybe Pattaya should offer free donuts and free lottery sweepstakes to attact tourist....

[redwood1]

5 hours ago, sammieuk1 said:

Keeping the already vaccinated out defies any real logic then ????

 

This is a good idea.....Some unvaccinated people don't feel safe around the vaccinated..

[redwood1]

7 minutes ago, skorp13 said:

Perhaps they should have a wander around Pattaya then check out many other family friendly tourist destinations and see where Pattaya ranks. What they are trying to take away is the only thing really worth coming for in comparison. It is the sex industry that built Pattaya, no other way around it.

What about Pattayas Art museums, and world famous parks.....

[pepi2005]

As always, Thailand is doing the exact opposite of what logic would suggest.

 

Rational politicians would exploit the most reliable and durable sector of tourists Thailand always had: sex tourists and retirees who just want to enjoy the rest of their lives a little bit, while at the same time giving all the hungry family members tied to the women in the entertainment sector hope and food.

 

But no, make sh*thole Pattaya (suffering from endless road construction, potholes, almost no green vegetation or parks anymore) even less attractive than it is... ????

[chang1]

4 minutes ago, redwood1 said:

 

This is a good idea.....Some unvaccinated people don't feel safe around the vaccinated..

Pure gold, there has to be a good reply to it but I can't think of it yet.

[BangkokReady]

1 hour ago, NanLaew said:

 

Does it really? Being fully vaccinated is purely a personal protection that should reduce the severity of the symptoms of any infection. Being double-shotted does not prevent you catching it or spreading it and offers no protections to others, vaccinated or otherwise.

 

Vaccine 101.

 

The current Chinese vaccines in Thailand are only really a "quick fix" to stop people dying.  They are less effective when it comes to spread and to variants.  Thailand should have one eye on getting people vaccinated with whatever they can ASAP, while keeping up the new normal, with future plans for decent vaccines that stand a change of reducing spread enough to possibly stop the virus completely.  Hopefully AZ can eventually do that, but they have to accept that they may still need to aim for Pfizer and Moderna.

 

But this obviously means a lot of covid, but not ICU/death, for the next year or two.

[chang1]

2 minutes ago, BangkokReady said:

 

The current Chinese vaccines in Thailand are only really a "quick fix" to stop people dying.  They are less effective when it comes to spread and to variants.  Thailand should have one eye on getting people vaccinated with whatever they can ASAP, while keeping up the new normal, with future plans for decent vaccines that stand a change of reducing spread enough to possibly stop the virus completely.  Hopefully AZ can eventually do that, but they have to accept that they may still need to aim for Pfizer and Moderna.

 

But this obviously means a lot of covid, but not ICU/death, for the next year or two.

We will probably end up with yearly vaccinations same as flu, to cope with new variants for years to come. 

[ChipButty]

I saw on the internet the other day so it must be true, Everybody who has been vaccinated will die within 2 years 

[Mike k]

2 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Open the doors and those girls will stop planting rice and be back to Pattaya to open-up again faster than you could ever imagine.

And making way more money 

[mstevens]

3 hours ago, bkk6060 said:

Millions of males in the world want to come.

Lockdowns, divorces and bad relationships they want to escape their purgatory lives and be here.

The 2 week millionaires do in fact provide a plus to the economy in many ways ie: airlines, restaurants, hotels, transportation, domestic travel/activities, etc.  Not just girls in bars.

 

I do not see Pattaya's demise.  

 

 

I do see Pattaya's demise, although I think it will take some time before what many of us knew of the Pattaya of old just peters out. I don't believe Pattaya will roar back to life when borders do eventually reopen for unrestricted travel. I think a combination of factors such as many bars closed for good, lingering fears about the virus coming back, higher airfares, increased hassles with international travel and a continuing change in the landscape as more service providers move to online models (online escort services, Tinder, cams, OnlyFans etc.) will all send Pattaya along a new path. The nightlife will still exist but it will be smaller than before Covid came along, be less fun and as such demand will drop year after year.....which was happening pre-Covid. I wish this wasn't the case but I just don't think it's going to burst back in to life like when you flick on a lightbulb.

[scammed]

pattaya without nightlife is as useful as a snow shuffle in sahara