What vaccine approved?

[Sametboy2019]

Just wondering if anyone knows about restrictions of travel once vaccinated.

Will all vaccines be ok?

What happens if the vaccine you receive here in Thailand isn't approved by your home country?

Edited June 9, 2021 by Sametboy2019

[theoldgit]

I'll move this to the Covid-19 Forum

[Sametboy2019]

Thanks

 

[cormanr7]

Firstly, there is the issue of getting a covid vaccination passport. Apparently, in Thailand, there will be no digital passport, rather a paper one (50 Baht) which seems to be a copy of the traditional old 'yellow book' https://scandasia.com/thailand-introduces-international-vaccine-passport-for-traveling-abroad/. In the old days of the yellow book, there was just a simple stamp and hand-written signature behind the details of the vaccination. If this is also the case for the Thai COVID vaccination passport, I am not sure that many countries will accept it as it would be easy to make a forgery.

I think the CDC and NHS use a paper pass and widespread use of fakes for the former (which is just cardboard with some data written on it) has been claimed https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/covid-vaccination-card-fraud-prompts-cdc-action-rcna802. In Europe  they have introduced  a digital vaccination passport ; a paper one can also be used. Both feature a 'digital signature' to reduce chances of falsification https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en , https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covid-19-passport-revealed-heres-what-you-need-to-know/. For this vaccine passport, primarily intended for use within the EU, at the moment there are four eligible vaccines as approved by the EMA: AZ, Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen. Reportedly they intend to allow entry of citizens from some non-EU countries who have 'proof' of having had a complete course of any of these four vaccines. However, member states are free to allow non-listed vaccines. Believe it or not, many want the hordes of Chinse tourists back, so Sinovac or Sinopharm and the like might be accepted, but I do not have the details.  

With so many vaccine passports available/in development as well as additional airline passes and country specific rules it gets extremely messy. Even for the EU passport it is unsure if people can use it widely outside the EU as non EU-countries may not have access to the EU-gateway that stores the data.. 

[tandor]

...if any vaccine you receive is approved by the WHO, then that's all your country needs to know.

[khunjeff]

1 hour ago, tandor said:

...if any vaccine you receive is approved by the WHO, then that's all your country needs to know.

 

No country is obligated to recognize a vaccine just because it was approved by the WHO. For example, the entry requirements published by France last week only consider a person to be fully vaccinated if they received AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J.

 

This is one of the reasons that some Thai travel vloggers are going to the US to be vaccinated - they're afraid that if they end up getting Sinovac here, it won't allow them to travel freely without quarantine.

 

 

FRENCH BORDER REOPENING POLICY AS OF JUNE 9.pdf

[micmichd]

On 6/9/2021 at 2:07 PM, cormanr7 said:

Firstly, there is the issue of getting a covid vaccination passport. Apparently, in Thailand, there will be no digital passport, rather a paper one (50 Baht) which seems to be a copy of the traditional old 'yellow book' https://scandasia.com/thailand-introduces-international-vaccine-passport-for-traveling-abroad/. In the old days of the yellow book, there was just a simple stamp and hand-written signature behind the details of the vaccination. If this is also the case for the Thai COVID vaccination passport, I am not sure that many countries will accept it as it would be easy to make a forgery.

I think the CDC and NHS use a paper pass and widespread use of fakes for the former (which is just cardboard with some data written on it) has been claimed https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/covid-vaccination-card-fraud-prompts-cdc-action-rcna802. In Europe  they have introduced  a digital vaccination passport ; a paper one can also be used. Both feature a 'digital signature' to reduce chances of falsification https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en , https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covid-19-passport-revealed-heres-what-you-need-to-know/. For this vaccine passport, primarily intended for use within the EU, at the moment there are four eligible vaccines as approved by the EMA: AZ, Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen. Reportedly they intend to allow entry of citizens from some non-EU countries who have 'proof' of having had a complete course of any of these four vaccines. However, member states are free to allow non-listed vaccines. Believe it or not, many want the hordes of Chinse tourists back, so Sinovac or Sinopharm and the like might be accepted, but I do not have the details.  

With so many vaccine passports available/in development as well as additional airline passes and country specific rules it gets extremely messy. Even for the EU passport it is unsure if people can use it widely outside the EU as non EU-countries may not have access to the EU-gateway that stores the data.. 

What a mess. The yellow vaccination card is a WHO certificate, and together with a biometric EU passport it should be impossible to fake. 

[TheFishman1]

Amazing Thailand TIT

[4MyEgo]

We might not be needing vaccine passports in a while.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221003647

[n8sail]

56 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

We might not be needing vaccine passports in a while.

 

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971221003647

 

 

Thanks for the great link.  As for below, anyone with better understanding of this, please correct me if I'm wrong.  TIA!

From my understanding, this is not necessarily saying the mRNA vaccine didn't work as the guy only had one injection...   (and for the record, I'm not an anti-vaxxer, but also am not excited about 'testing' millions of people with 'untested' vax technology)   86 year old guy, was in nursing care facility.  RIP.

What they are saying is the guy got the first jab, 18 days later admitted to hospital for bad diarrhea, didn't test positive so he was put in a normal room.  He then likely got COVID from his hospital roommate, and died very quickly after this.

 

He had evidence of 'Immunogenicity' in almost every organ of his body, meaning the vaccine had indeed gotten though to most of his cells, but even with this, he still contracted and via RT-PCR testing had a very high viral load even after just a couple days.  So after one dose, he did not get 'sterile immunity'.

 

Exactly what constitutes immunogenicity for COVID-19 was still up for debate according to this article on AZ's website as of late November 2020.  I couldn't quickly find an article saying differently just now:  https://www.astrazeneca.com/what-science-can-do/topics/disease-understanding/what-does-immunogenicity-mean-in-the-context-of-covid-19-vaccines.html

[Caldera]

I'm not very hopeful that I can get the jabs I'll receive here in Thailand added to the EU's digital vaccination passport.

 

If and when I eventually need that for travel or to watch a darn movie at a cinema, I might need to get a booster shot in the EU at the very least, but who really knows at this point!

Edited June 15, 2021 by Caldera

[4MyEgo]

29 minutes ago, n8sail said:

He then likely got COVID from his hospital roommate, and died very quickly after this.

 

Welcome.

 

Did his room mate have it ?

[n8sail]

2 minutes ago, 4MyEgo said:

 

Welcome.

 

Did his room mate have it ?

 

 

Indeed he did.  No news if that guy died though.  From article:

 

On day 24, a patient in the same hospital room as our case tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. On day 25, our patient tested SARS-CoV-2 positive by real-time PCR (RT-PCR), with a low cycle threshold (Ct) value indicating high virus load.

[placnx]

On 6/9/2021 at 2:07 PM, cormanr7 said:

Firstly, there is the issue of getting a covid vaccination passport. Apparently, in Thailand, there will be no digital passport, rather a paper one (50 Baht) which seems to be a copy of the traditional old 'yellow book' https://scandasia.com/thailand-introduces-international-vaccine-passport-for-traveling-abroad/. In the old days of the yellow book, there was just a simple stamp and hand-written signature behind the details of the vaccination. If this is also the case for the Thai COVID vaccination passport, I am not sure that many countries will accept it as it would be easy to make a forgery.

I think the CDC and NHS use a paper pass and widespread use of fakes for the former (which is just cardboard with some data written on it) has been claimed https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/covid-vaccination-card-fraud-prompts-cdc-action-rcna802. In Europe  they have introduced  a digital vaccination passport ; a paper one can also be used. Both feature a 'digital signature' to reduce chances of falsification https://ec.europa.eu/info/live-work-travel-eu/coronavirus-response/safe-covid-19-vaccines-europeans/eu-digital-covid-certificate_en , https://www.schengenvisainfo.com/news/all-details-on-eu-covid-19-passport-revealed-heres-what-you-need-to-know/. For this vaccine passport, primarily intended for use within the EU, at the moment there are four eligible vaccines as approved by the EMA: AZ, Pfizer, Moderna and Janssen. Reportedly they intend to allow entry of citizens from some non-EU countries who have 'proof' of having had a complete course of any of these four vaccines. However, member states are free to allow non-listed vaccines. Believe it or not, many want the hordes of Chinse tourists back, so Sinovac or Sinopharm and the like might be accepted, but I do not have the details.  

With so many vaccine passports available/in development as well as additional airline passes and country specific rules it gets extremely messy. Even for the EU passport it is unsure if people can use it widely outside the EU as non EU-countries may not have access to the EU-gateway that stores the data.. 

I was just looking at the WHO project again where Estonia offered to develop a digital certificate, presumably to replace the yellow WHO card. On the WHO site I could not find anything recent, but it seems that their position is that travelers should not be blocked from travel if they have not been vaccinated.

https://www.who.int/news-room/articles-detail/interim-position-paper-considerations-regarding-proof-of-covid-19-vaccination-for-international-travellers

https://www.who.int/groups/smart-vaccination-certificate-working-group

Then there is the Estonian version:

https://www.ledgerinsights.com/world-health-organization-partners-with-estonia-for-blockchain-covid-19-certificates/

 

The US government is having a lot of pushback from libertarians and states' rights politicians, so Texas and Florida have passed laws placing $5000 fines on businesses that would require proof of vaccination for service. This includes cruiseships, many of which are based in Florida, so this goes against CDC guidelines mandating that 95% of their adult passengers be vaccinated. Meanwhile the White House seems to be denying any responsibility for having a system in place to open the borders to mass travel. This would require international coordination and interoperable standards, but there is no accessible national vaccination database in the US, and White House seems to expect that the airlines will take care of the problem.

 

So this is one of the initiatives, which seems to amalgamate the travel issue (CommonPass) with health care networks:

https://vci.org/updates/april-1st-2021

https://thecommonsproject.org/

 

So there has been some hope expressed that the UK would adopt the European solution, which would in turn persuade other countries to follow suit. Attached is a Canadian discussion.

Wilson Vacc passports193e486.pdf

Edited June 15, 2021 by placnx
add CommonPass link

[placnx]

3 hours ago, Caldera said:

I'm not very hopeful that I can get the jabs I'll receive here in Thailand added to the EU's digital vaccination passport.

 

If and when I eventually need that for travel or to watch a darn movie at a cinema, I might need to get a booster shot in the EU at the very least, but who really knows at this point!

Logically you are on an official database in Thailand. If you normally live in Europe, it would make sense for this Thai data to be searched by your home country and entered in the database for the EU digital passport. At least, I hope that this is how it will eventually work. Recording a booster later given in the EU would then be straightforward.

Edited June 15, 2021 by placnx
booster edit

[Havenstreet1940]

Having given up on trying to register on line, I decided to visit two hospitalsto see if I could register with either.     One  hospital is local to where I live, the other is a large hospital in the main city of the Province.   I was told I could register by both and I did register with the large one.

 

However I was told that vaccination for me, by both hospital, would not be before the end of the year, as they had instructions that Foreigners must wait and Thai people must be vaccinated first.

 

I will not shoot the messenger,.   However seems very xenophobic to me.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 to me.

Edited June 15, 2021 by Havenstreet1940

[tandor]

7 hours ago, khunjeff said:

 

No country is obligated to recognize a vaccine just because it was approved by the WHO. For example, the entry requirements published by France last week only consider a person to be fully vaccinated if they received AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J.

 

This is one of the reasons that some Thai travel vloggers are going to the US to be vaccinated - they're afraid that if they end up getting Sinovac here, it won't allow them to travel freely without quarantine.

 

 

FRENCH BORDER REOPENING POLICY AS OF JUNE 9.pdfUnavailable

...WHO are the organization who rate the efficacy of the vaccines and approve or disapprove them;..so Im going with that.

[ThomasThBKK]

Just now, tandor said:

...WHO are the organization who rate the efficacy of the vaccines and approve or disapprove them;..so Im going with that.

No they don't.

 

Every local government decides on his own and no European government has approved sinovac and Co.

 

AZ is fine to travel into Europe without quarantine tho.

[Tony125]

On 6/15/2021 at 4:08 PM, ThomasThBKK said:

No they don't.

 

Every local government decides on his own and no European government has approved sinovac and Co.

 

AZ is fine to travel into Europe without quarantine tho.

 

China's COVID-19 vaccines are being called into question after infections surged in countries using Chinese shots

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/chinas-covid-19-vaccines-being-132107776.html

[tandor]

On 6/15/2021 at 8:42 AM, khunjeff said:

 

No country is obligated to recognize a vaccine just because it was approved by the WHO. For example, the entry requirements published by France last week only consider a person to be fully vaccinated if they received AZ, Pfizer, Moderna, or J&J.

 

This is one of the reasons that some Thai travel vloggers are going to the US to be vaccinated - they're afraid that if they end up getting Sinovac here, it won't allow them to travel freely without quarantine.

 

 

FRENCH BORDER REOPENING POLICY AS OF JUNE 9.pdfUnavailable

..go back and read the OP.