Thailand reports 6,166 new COVID-19 cases, 50 more deaths

[Bkk Brian]

Anutin admits document, which shows officials questioning Sinovac effectiveness, is real

A leaked document that revealed that government officials and academics wanted to downplay the ineffectiveness of the Sinovac vaccine is real, the public health minister told reporters on Monday.

The document, which shows some of the minutes of a June 30 meeting at the public health ministry, reveals a debate between public health officials and academics whether or not to give Pfizer vaccines to medical workers who have already been vaccinated with Sinovac.

According to the document, one person said that making that decision would be admitting Sinovac was not effective.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29377/anutin-admits-document-which-shows-health-officials-questioning-sinovac-effectiveness-is-real/

[ABCbangkok]

 

21 minutes ago, placeholder said:

The Sinovac vaccine is not crappy. There are plenty of studies to show that it's very powerful in keeping the infected from hospitalization and death. Just not very good at stopping transmission. If that's all that's on offer, take it. It's not like we currently have much of a choice in Thailand.

 

The point of my post is that the govt had a choice and I believe for ulterior motives chose wrongly. Sinovac has been “all that’s on offer” because the Thai govt refused to let the private sector import other vaccines. 

 

As for Sinovac not being crappy, ask Indonesia how it’s doing with their Sinovac program. “Indonesia defends use of China’s Sinovac amid surge in Delta variant. The country posted record highs of more than 25,000 infections and 539 deaths on Friday.”

 

This could be Thailand soon unless the Thai govt acts more responsibly asap.

 

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by ABCbangkok

[anchadian]

3 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

 

Thailand could see 10,000 Covid-19 cases per day by the year’s end unless the vaccination rate picks up, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The country is currently seeing close to 6,000 cases per day with +6,082 cases on Monday. The number has risen steadily from some 2,000 cases per day in early May.

 

Now a doctor at Siriraj Hospital say that a combination of unrestricted travel and the Delta variant of the virus could have the country facing 10,000 cases a day by year’s end.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29372/10000-cases-per-day-by-years-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

I think the estimate above of 10K cases per day by the end of the year is meek...

 

The daily COVID case count for Thailand has more than doubled to 6,000+ in the past three weeks....   Do the math going forward if such increases continue.

 

June 15 -- 3,000 new cases

July 5 -- 6,166 new cases

 

[FarFlungFalang]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29372/10000-cases-per-day-by-years-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

Wow did a senior Dr just tell the Gruberment to pull their heads out of their rear end (to put it politely)?

[dinsdale]

1 minute ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

 

Thailand could see 10,000 Covid-19 cases per day by the year’s end unless the vaccination rate picks up, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The country is currently seeing close to 6,000 cases per day with +6,082 cases on Monday. The number has risen steadily from some 2,000 cases per day in early May.

 

Now a doctor at Siriraj Hospital say that a combination of unrestricted travel and the Delta variant of the virus could have the country facing 10,000 cases a day by year’s end.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29372/10000-cases-per-day-by-years-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

I think years end is particulaly optomistic. It's gone up 4000 in 3 months and the Delta and Beta arrival is toward the end of that 3 months. Realistically Thailand is more than likely already there but if testing can keep up then official numbers, I would say 10,000 sometime next month. 

[anchadian]

The Public Health Ministry will increase the capacity of Bussarakham Field Hospital to 4,000 beds in a bid to cope with a possible surge in infections from the Delta variant of Covid-19. #covid19 #Nonthaburi #ThailandNews #TheNationThailand

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40002841

[ThailandRyan]

2 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Anutin admits document, which shows officials questioning Sinovac effectiveness, is real

A leaked document that revealed that government officials and academics wanted to downplay the ineffectiveness of the Sinovac vaccine is real, the public health minister told reporters on Monday.

The document, which shows some of the minutes of a June 30 meeting at the public health ministry, reveals a debate between public health officials and academics whether or not to give Pfizer vaccines to medical workers who have already been vaccinated with Sinovac.

According to the document, one person said that making that decision would be admitting Sinovac was not effective.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29377/anutin-admits-document-which-shows-health-officials-questioning-sinovac-effectiveness-is-real/

And there you have it, words that will be denied later or said to have been taken out of context, It just doesn't get any better than this now does it.  Infighting, backstabbing, blamed being laid upon someone else, and yet no one will accept responsibility and stand up and admit the buck stops with them.

 

Now add in this major fire and it's impact on the local hospitals as well as adding to the poor air quality and creating breathing problems, well then we have hit the Trifecta

https://news.yahoo.com/blast-thai-factory-shakes-bangkok-033007167.html

[smedly]

52 minutes ago, FarFlungFalang said:

It's true that to get a good idea of the spread random testing is needed but some indication of spread can be seen by the numbers in the provincial numbers.The only indication from an increase in positivity rate is if the situation is getting worse which is of course a very limited indication which is their objective as they don't seem to want to give a clear indication of the situation for obvious reasons namely they might climb up the transparency and corruption index and that is apparently a bad thing like being honest or caring or god forbid showing compassion and empathy for the general population and I don't mean the population of Generals!

as I have been saying for months - the only way to see the spread of the virus is to #####TEST TEST TEST TEST#####,  but that doesn't suit the agenda which is primarily to try and hide it and save face through lies and deflection

 

the incompetence is astonishing and has put us all at severe risk

 

[anchadian]

Another vaccine registration site closes its doors:

 

As with so many things nowadays, the registration website completely buckled under the high demand - and once people were able to load the site, they found this message.

Quote Tweet

 

TNAMCOT English

 

The Faculty of Medicine Ramathibodi Hospital, Mahidol University has closed the online reservation system for Moderna vaccine as the slots were fully booked after its opening at 8.30 a.m. today. @TNAMCOT

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1411904876175532039

[Cake Monster]

And yet again we see that the number of people who have received a second dose of Vaccine is just about stagnant at 2.25 Million.

The figure has been around this number for several Days now, which I believe is proof enough , that the Government has  a One shot to fix all policy with Vaccination

One shot of any Vaccine will do nothing to protect the person receiving it, specially if it is Sinovac with its really low efficacy rate of 3 % after just One shot.

More words fail me, except that I feel so sorry for the Thai people .

 

[ThailandRyan]

1 minute ago, smedly said:

as I have been saying for months - the only way to see the spread of the virus is to #####TEST TEST TEST TEST#####,  but that doesn't suit the agenda which is primarily to try and hide it and save face through lies and deflection

 

the incompetence is astonishing and has put us all at severe risk

 

Thank you @smedly for echoing my sentiments which I have been stating for many, many, months.  Test and ye shall find has been my mantra, but one this government and then even some on this forum say is not needed as the hospitals are not filling up, and the bodies are not piling up.  Where are those naysayers now......hmmm.  I admit sometimes I get a little overzealous with my view but I have not been far off of the mark, and when I have I have admitted the error of my ways and apologized.  Stay safe everyone.

[anchadian]

TIMELINE: Chonburi informs residents who visited places in relation to most recent Covid -19 confirmed cases

 

1. Suppawan traditional Thai clothing at Wat Klang Market in Soi Ta Ngek, Makham Yong in Mueang Chonburi from June 22nd to July 1st from 8:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M..
2. Restaurant and noodle shop in Nongkham, Si Racha on June 27th to June 30th from 8:00 A.M. to 4:00 P.M..
3. Freah market of Chao Phraya Surasak Municipality in Nongkham, Si Racha on June 27th from 5:00 P.M. to 5:30 P.M..

 

 

 https://thepattayanews.com/2021/07/05/timeline-chonburi-informs-residents-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-most-recent-covid-19-confirmed-cases-6/

 

 

Edited July 5, 2021 by metisdead
Edited as per fair use policy.

[anchadian]

America’s donated #COVID19 vaccines are intended to be distributed via WHO’s COVAX program - which #Thailand is not part of and yet has been listed as one of the intended recipient countries.

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The Thai government said 20% of the 1.5 doses of Pfizer that the US is donating to Thailand will go to foreigners in the country. 20% of 1.5 million = 300,000 There are about 2.5-3 million foreigners living in Thailand. https://bangkokbiznews.com/news/detail/94

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1411906627372937222

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[Cake Monster]

17 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

Thailand could see 10,000 Covid-19 cases per day by the year’s end unless the vaccination rate picks up, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The country is currently seeing close to 6,000 cases per day with +6,082 cases on Monday. The number has risen steadily from some 2,000 cases per day in early May.

 

Now a doctor at Siriraj Hospital say that a combination of unrestricted travel and the Delta variant of the virus could have the country facing 10,000 cases a day by year’s end.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29372/10000-cases-per-day-by-years-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1222821-10000-cases-per-day-by-year’s-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

 

With the rate at which the Virus is spreading due to the Delta variant, I would not at all be surprised to see 10,000 per Day by the end of August.

I really think its possible, but sincerely hope that I am proved wrong, I really do, but with the shortage of good Vaccines, and decisions made upon financial priority and not Public health, along with decisions that just defy any kind of sane reasoning, the future is bleak.

[Dogmatix]

The news comes as Chulabhorn Royal Academy Secretary-General, Professor Dr. Nithi Mahanonda, has proposed a reprioritisation of Thailand’s strategies to cope with the third wave of the COVID-19 pandemic, which is rapidly spreading “far and wide” to the point that “we do not know who are infected among the people around us.”

 

A polite way of saying that the static numbers from the government are a complete crock and that real case numbers are well on their way to 20,000 a day by now, if not more.

[Dogmatix]

3 hours ago, robblok said:

Seems around 6000 is the new normal, deaths higher too. I wonder if the deniers are now slowly starting to see things differently.

 

Lets hope that it stays around these numbers, though i think it might go up still. Especially with the delta variant. Deaths will be higher for sure as hospitals are already overflowing. There are stories of people on the streets waiting for beds. So all in all this level of infections is too high to cope with for a longer period.

 

 

 

 

Even the official numbers have now broken through resistance at the 6,000 a day mark and likely to power on up.

[Danderman123]

55 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

The recovered number today was 2,534... so you're overestimating the actual recoveries by almost 500.  And that also means new cases reported today more than doubled the number of recoveries, which is simply unsustainable on an ongoing basis.

 

None of this is sustainable.

 

As I mentioned before, discharges will increase, although they won’t catch up to new infections until the number of new infections begins a sustained decrease.

[placeholder]

19 minutes ago, ABCbangkok said:

 

The point of my post is that the govt had a choice and I believe for ulterior motives chose wrongly. Sinovac has been “all that’s on offer” because the Thai govt refused to let the private sector import other vaccines. 

 

As for Sinovac not being crappy, ask Indonesia how it’s doing with their Sinovac program. “Indonesia defends use of China’s Sinovac amid surge in Delta variant. The country posted record highs of more than 25,000 infections and 539 deaths on Friday.”

Before drawing conclusions, I would also ask Indonesia how many vaccinations have been administered. And I would be told about 55 million. Indonesia has a population of 275 million. Ya think if all those who were vaccinated with Coronavac instead were vaccinated instead with the Moderna or Pfizer vaccine, the numbers would have looked very different? 

Once again, most, if not all other vaccines do a better job. But that doesn't make Coronavac crappy. Unless you think drastically cutting the odds of going to the hospital or dying means a vaccine is crappy.

 

[placeholder]

Just now, Danderman123 said:

None of this is sustainable.

 

As I mentioned before, discharges will increase, although they won’t catch up to new infections until the number of new infections begins a sustained decrease.

Well, as long as there's space in the hospitals to accommodate new patients. Once they're full, discharges won't increase for months given the pace of vaccination. Unless some new dramatically effective therapy is found.

But even if hospitals could accommodate all those who need treatment, claiming that discharges will increase is just another way of saying that hospitalizations will increase. It's not good news that discharges will be increasing as long as that's due to increased hospitalizations. It's quite the opposite.

[anchadian]

17 minutes ago, anchadian said:

Another vaccine registration site closes its doors:

 

As with so many things nowadays, the registration website completely buckled under the high demand - and once people were able to load the site, they found this message.

Quote Tweet

 

TNAMCOT English

 

The Faculty of Medicine Ramathibodi Hospital, Mahidol University has closed the online reservation system for Moderna vaccine as the slots were fully booked after its opening at 8.30 a.m. today. @TNAMCOT

 

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1411904876175532039

Getting an alternative mNRA #COVID19 vaccine in #Thailand has become more difficult than getting a Playstation 5.

https://twitter.com/SaksithCNA/status/1411909493177294852

 

[Danderman123]

41 minutes ago, DrJack54 said:

Straight from 'Yes Minister' 

Also reminds me very much of the Monty Python. Cheese shop. (With no cheese available) 

 

Fine. If you want to pretend that there will be zero beds available for the 6,000 new cases tomorrow, up to you.

 

But, in Real Life, there will be about 3,000 beds available in what will be a bit of a scramble.

 

For the nitpickers, I am not stating that 6,000 new cases and 3,000 discharges tomorrow are a certainty, it’s just an estimate.

[Excel]

3 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

The news comes as Chulabhorn Royal Academy Secretary-General, Professor Dr. Nithi Mahanonda, has proposed a reprioritisation of Thailand’s strategies to cope with the third wave of the COVID-19 pandemic, which is rapidly spreading “far and wide” to the point that “we do not know who are infected among the people around us.”

 

A polite way of saying that the static numbers from the government are a complete crock and that real case numbers are well on their way to 20,000 a day by now, if not more.

Look on the bright side. This inept government, its puppet master, the HISOs and all others that can only be described as sycophantic followers ensured that they were all prioritised and received the AZ vaccine and/or the Chinese vaccines way before anybody else in Thailand including frontline health workers as they think they are "special". As we now know those vaccines have limited and/or  minimal resistance  against the Delta strain.  Hopefully the "Karma" strain will now come into play.

[Danderman123]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Well, as long as there's space in the hospitals to accommodate new patients. Once they're full, discharges won't increase for months given the pace of vaccination. Unless some new dramatically effective therapy is found.

But even if hospitals could accommodate all those who need treatment, claiming that discharges will increase is just another way of saying that hospitalizations will increase. It's not good news that discharges will be increasing as long as that's due to increased hospitalizations. It's quite the opposite.

Discharges increasing is just another way of saying that hospital admissions are increasing. There, I said it.

 

For the nitpickers, yes, I know that hospital admissions cannot increase once hospitals are full, but I don’t want to have a pointless debate over this.

[Misty]

20 minutes ago, Dogmatix said:

 

 

Even the official numbers have now broken through resistance at the 6,000 a day mark and likely to power on up.

 

Blue sky territory

[poskat]

"According to the document, one person said that making that decision would be admitting Sinovac was not effective."

 

because we all know that not admitting to a fact makes that fact disappear

[ABCbangkok]

1 hour ago, ftpjtm said:

The wife and I packed up and left Thailand in mid May when there was an outbreak in our Chonburi neighborhood. 3 of 40 households were affected. It took up to a week for hospital beds to be found for those who had been tested positive. Other household members from the infected households had to wait up to a week to be tested. It was clear to us at that point in May that the hospitals were close to being overwhelmed. It can only be worse now. If testing where up to international standards the Thai numbers would be far worse than they are.

We also left because of the way the COVID situation was unfolding.

 

It is a joke for many in this forum to be talking about ‘beds’ as if these beds were available in a legitimate hospital. These ‘field hospitals’ are hospitals in name only. The pictures in the news of row upon row of cardboard ‘beds’, and standing fans for air circulation is clearly not hospitals. They are warehouses for the infected. Giant petri dishes in which those that may be lightly infected are forced to commune with those that may be heavily infected. Imagine being forced into such a situation!

 

Lockdowns and mass vaccinations post haste with the proper vaccines are the only ways to contain COVID. 

 

 

 

 

[mommysboy]

1 hour ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

Thailand could see 10,000 Covid-19 cases per day by the year’s end unless the vaccination rate picks up, a senior doctor told Thai Enquirer on Monday.

 

The country is currently seeing close to 6,000 cases per day with +6,082 cases on Monday. The number has risen steadily from some 2,000 cases per day in early May.

 

Now a doctor at Siriraj Hospital say that a combination of unrestricted travel and the Delta variant of the virus could have the country facing 10,000 cases a day by year’s end.

 

(more)

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/29372/10000-cases-per-day-by-years-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

https://aseannow.com/topic/1222821-10000-cases-per-day-by-year’s-end-not-out-of-the-question-senior-doctor-says/

 

 

10,000 cases per day by year’s end not out of the question, senior doctor says

 

 

Only 10000?

[Bkk Brian]

40 minutes ago, ThailandRyan said:

And there you have it, words that will be denied later or said to have been taken out of context, It just doesn't get any better than this now does it.  Infighting, backstabbing, blamed being laid upon someone else, and yet no one will accept responsibility and stand up and admit the buck stops with them.

Its a deplorable and dangerous decision that smacks in the face science and the welfare of the countries frontline people in this pandemic.

 

You need no study to tell us that the doctors and nurses our the most valuable asset we have in combating this surge. They are the most at risk group of getting re infected despite being vaccinated with Sinovac with this already happening across the hotspots here and plenty of evidence abroad.

 

The government has the opportunity to prioritize them for a pfizer booster to protect them and protect the hospitals from having large groups of health workers quarantined because of re infection.

 

Instead it opts out of this decision to save face for using the less effective Sinovac and avoid further vaccine hesitancy with its use, instead of being bold and communicating effectively why they are making this life saving decision.

 

Absolute cowards risking the lives of of people who are turned away from hospitals because of lack of staff due to infection.

[anchadian]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

Its a deplorable and dangerous decision that smacks in the face science and the welfare of the countries frontline people in this pandemic.

 

You need no study to tell us that the doctors and nurses our the most valuable asset we have in combating this surge. They are the most at risk group of getting re infected despite being vaccinated with Sinovac with this already happening across the hotspots here and plenty of evidence abroad.

 

The government has the opportunity to prioritize them for a pfizer booster to protect them and protect the hospitals from having large groups of health workers quarantined because of re infection.

 

Instead it opts out of this decision to save face for using the less effective Sinovac and avoid further vaccine hesitancy with its use, instead of being bold and communicating effectively why they are making this life saving decision.

 

Absolute cowards risking the lives of of people who are turned away from hospitals because of lack of staff due to infection.

Leaked comments over Pfizer vaccine sparks outrage on social media

 

Among the comments recorded was one saying: “If we give Pfizer vaccines to medics, it will imply that the quality of the Sinovac vaccine given to them earlier is low, and it will be difficult for us to find a reasonable excuse.”

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40002843