Haven't even got to the ridiculous COE yet the embassy in London has taken 12 days before requesting more documents than a high court for an expired O visa renewal suggest anyone requiring the same before sandboxing allow for the 3 hours a day they work without answering any phones or for the 5-7 working days it will now take to stick a sticker in a passport on top of that

Pyapong forgot to mention how much these 30,000 wil spend.

On 7/13/2021 at 3:41 AM, webfact said:

He reminded the public that vaccination cannot stop spread of the virus 100%. 

Seems, he never looked into the endpoints of the Phase 3 studies:

 

The endpoints to get the emergency use approvals were:

           Prohibiting Severe Covid 

 

And NOT:

           Achieving sterile immunity.

 

Therefore: no matter, what some journalists say, the vaccines were never designed and proofed to stop transmission in the clinical studies.

 

Achieving sterile immunity is just wishful thinking.

23 hours ago, smedly said:

and how many are actual tourist on vacation for 2 to 4 weeks

 

I would say not very many

Departure numbers are needed. Will we ever get them, I doubt it. 

17 hours ago, ChrisY1 said:

What isn't mentioned in this OP, is that if one person on a flight "tests" positive....it seems the entire plane load of tourists are removed from their resorts, (no refunds) to and alternate quarantine hotel, not of their choice, hit with ~Thb 50,000 bill for the full 14 days. It sounds very much like a design!

Only 14 quarantined not the whole plane

10 hours ago, Salerno said:

Where do you get that from? Not the reports I've seen e.g. 

 

 

SHA+ refunded, she was sitting next to the next to the guy that tested positive in a family of 12 on a fairly full flight and only 14 quarantined.

Best Wishes Stephanie, I hope that you have a positive outcome because this is a very sad way for the Thai Government to treat a visitor after all their announcements prior to the "Sandbox" extravaganza, you are being outwardly tolerant, someone owes you big time.

On 7/13/2021 at 2:14 PM, Pattaya Spotter said:

Sounds good...carry on Sandboxers.

What beats me is how infected passengers can get on planes, maybe with bodgey Mumbai covid certificates. 

11 minutes ago, kiwikeith said:

What beats me is how infected passengers can get on planes, maybe with bodgey Mumbai covid certificates. 

Maybe false negative tests...also some newly infected people don't have sufficient virus/antibodies in their system until after a few days for a positive test result.

3 hours ago, Bernietravelling said:

Seems, he never looked into the endpoints of the Phase 3 studies:

 

The endpoints to get the emergency use approvals were:

           Prohibiting Severe Covid 

 

And NOT:

           Achieving sterile immunity.

 

Therefore: no matter, what some journalists say, the vaccines were never designed and proofed to stop transmission in the clinical studies.

 

Achieving sterile immunity is just wishful thinking.

They are talking now of giving booster shots to the elderly, giving a third shot to boost immunity and some virologists saying that vaccination is causing mutations, whatever happens it is not looking good. 

NZ government has just put out an email for workplace vaccination. 

The big pharma boys are on a mad mission, and now news media and politicians have become experts at advising people to rush out and be jabbed, line up the pregnant women and young children here comes your needle. 

On 7/13/2021 at 8:41 AM, webfact said:

He reminded the public that vaccination cannot stop spread of the virus 100%. 

The % of "at risk" people is well known.

Just now, Bernietravelling said:

Yeah, I also do not understand this 100% vaccination campaign, if even the manufacturers did not check sterile immunity in their Phase 3, but trying to prohibit Severe Covid.

In essence, that means: with the vaccine you try to protect yourself from ending up in ICU, but you do not protect others from infection.

 

Due to that, the risk/benefit ratio gets extreme importance.

How many children and teenagers ended up in ICU or dieing from Covid

versus side effects of the vaccine?

The deaths from those under 18 were -nearly- unexistent.

Digging into EudraVigilance (aka. VAERS from the EU), you can conclude, that depending on the country, roughly 3-4 times of children died already from vaccination ADR (eg. myocarditis), compared to Covid. 

Our politicians are neglecting that the WHO recommends to wait for further studies regarding children.

 

 

From a laymen’s point of view, I anyway do not comprehend these vaccines:

 

There are meanwhile endless peer-reviewed studies, which proof:

The reason for Severe Covid is not the full virus - it is the Spike Proteins.

 

And with the vaccines, we let the human cells produce exactly those Spike Proteins? 

Sounds -well...- inappropriate to me !

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

The initial assumption was: the mRNA and the produced Spike Proteins stay near the injection, in the muscle.

Meanwhile, we know from studies: they can be distributed to the blood stream and organs.

 

Even a recent Pfizer !!! study showed:

they did not only find the full Spike Protein (which is “constructed” from the S1 protein and S2 protein), but also the smaller S1 protein.

 

(The explanation seems to be the intended immunization mechanisms of the vaccines:

The human cells produce the Spike Protein, which is then “presented” outside the cell, so that the “reconnaissance” of the T-cells detects them and then the Killer Cells destroy the Spike producing cell to stop the further spread of infectious viruses.

However, the produced Spike Proteins are not “presented” outside the cell at the same time.

Therefore, when the Killer Cells destroy the human production cell, not presented Spike Proteins and proteins, still in production, are released)

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