watthong Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 And don't discount the tentacles of the "Dis-information Dozen" that the US has recently called out for 65% of rubbish-info doled out the unwitting and unknowing American public during the pandemic. Those tentacles reach deep, some eventually show up on this forum and latch onto every thread about Covid, as I'm sure you could tell by now (actually you can smell one here at the moment...) They tend to be quite verbose, supported by dubious data, their logic run circles to nowhere and finally they decide for themselves, and the rest of us, that it all makes sense. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 10:57 AM, Heng said: Huge credit to them though working through this. It's their job! They know what they sign up for, i.e. dealing with nothing but the sick, infected and injured. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 3:10 PM, hotchilli said: Headline reads "Pataya Expat" anyone spot the "singular form of the word" That's because it was written by one expat but it'll be plural on Wednesday after I've had mine. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 23 hours ago, nightbird said: Israel reports that at least 50% of their hospital patients were infected after they were vaccinated. Can someone explain to me why you would all be rushing out to be vaccinated if it only gives you a 50% chance of protection? Do you not think that 50% protection is better than no protection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcpu Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 23 hours ago, nightbird said: Israel reports that at least 50% of their hospital patients were infected after they were vaccinated. Can someone explain to me why you would all be rushing out to be vaccinated if it only gives you a 50% chance of protection? Because the 50% is NOT about protection. The 50% is the chance of catching the virus. The main protection is in NOT getting ill and in NOT dying. ie. 1. 50% against catching is better than none. 2. the efficacy against serious illness is FAR super and much higher than 50% 3. the efficacy against death is FAR superior and much higher than 50% 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 15 hours ago, impulse said: How many kids have been born to vaccinated mothers? Any of them old enough to exhibit learning disabilities? Why should they "have learning disabilities"? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 (edited) 7 hours ago, sandyf said: You are denied the freedom to go around assaulting people in general, so why an exception to assault them with a virus. What makes you think that he has the virus? Edited July 25, 2021 by Liverpool Lou Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 1 hour ago, nightbird said: If you get your news from CNN and Fox you'll never hear what doctors and researchers are saying. I copied a short blurb for you from a post that a doctor made the other day on one of the 'alternative' new sites that exist. Are you going to dispute his experience when you really have none of your own to debate with? What makes that unaccredited, anonymous piece from "a doctor" on an "alternative" news site anymore credible than Fox or CNN reports? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Letseng Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 On 7/24/2021 at 5:31 AM, ASEAN NOW News said: 165 then after 143 143 isn't normal. Too high for 1 kidney. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted July 25, 2021 Share Posted July 25, 2021 16 hours ago, jkcjag said: The photo was on his phone...how would help with Thai promotion?? The photo that was taken got posted... you figure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise Pete Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) On 7/24/2021 at 12:51 PM, impulse said: Exactly how would they test the long term effects of a vaccine that hasn't been around for a long term yet? How many kids have been born to vaccinated mothers? Any of them old enough to exhibit learning disabilities? Vaccines don't have long-term side-effects. They are gone from your body in a day or two. It's not like medication, which can have a long half-life. Either a problem shows up quickly or not at all. Edited July 26, 2021 by Paradise Pete 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 17 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: What makes you think that he has the virus? What proof that he hasn't? Others are subject to laws regarding the carrying of restricted items. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 3 minutes ago, sandyf said: 17 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: What makes you think that he has the virus? What proof that he hasn't? I don't have to prove that he isn't infected, it was you who suggested that he may be and suggested that as a result he'd be assaulting others! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 17 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: What makes that unaccredited, anonymous piece from "a doctor" on an "alternative" news site anymore credible than Fox or CNN reports? Because it is backed up by hands on experience and links to other articles that don't get published on Fox or CNN. They are sound bite channels, fed by politics and whatever fits their view. Do you really think the stats that Big Pharma release are credible under the eyes of researchers, immunologists, and real medical facts? The people on the ground fighting this thing see what others don't. In the end, you believe what you want and do what you will. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liverpool Lou Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 minute ago, nightbird said: 17 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: What makes that unaccredited, anonymous piece from "a doctor" on an "alternative" news site anymore credible than Fox or CNN reports? Because it is backed up by hands on experience and links to other articles The comment I responded to was not "backed up" by anything, there was no source quoted, no name of "hands on the doctor", nothing! I'm not saying that the content wasn't accurate, it may have been, it may not have been, what I was saying is that anonymous, uncredited pieces posted here have no more credibility that any other reports. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sandyf Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 6 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: I don't have to prove that he isn't infected, it was you who suggested that he may be and suggested that as a result he'd be assaulting others! Don't go round in circles, the unvaccinated are more of a danger to society and have already assaulted the NHS. big style. The government should be taking steps to make sure that only those that have done the right thing, unless of course there is a medical exemption, are allowed to socialise, those that choose otherwise can stay out in the cold. In years gone by, there were those that tried to avoid military service on the grounds conscience. Where would we be if everyone found some reason to shirk their responsibility. People should think twice before claiming their freedom has been denied. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nightbird Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 7 hours ago, Liverpool Lou said: The comment I responded to was not "backed up" by anything, there was no source quoted, no name of "hands on the doctor", nothing! I'm not saying that the content wasn't accurate, it may have been, it may not have been, what I was saying is that anonymous, uncredited pieces posted here have no more credibility that any other reports. It was a very long piece linked to a website with tons of information. I felt this was not the forum to get into all of it as there are many boards who already deeply discuss various points of view and findings. Verification has little meaning these days for many people. Has it been verified that masks will help protect one from Covid? If so, why are so many not listening? I'm not here to convince anyone of anything. That is up to you. For me, it's all a casual discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry Om Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 8 hours ago, Paradise Pete said: Vaccines don't have long-term side-effects. They are gone from your body in a day or two. It's not like medication, which can have a long half-life. Either a problem shows up quickly or not at all. Sometimes there are good side effects. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/women-are-claiming-boobs-get-bigger-after-having-pfizer-jab/news-story/507c2b8d36cd53cec5072f567e7dd1d7 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paradise Pete Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 1 hour ago, Harry Om said: Sometimes there are good side effects. https://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/health-problems/women-are-claiming-boobs-get-bigger-after-having-pfizer-jab/news-story/507c2b8d36cd53cec5072f567e7dd1d7 That's the kind of rumor they should be spreading. If they said there was a 1% chance of making your wang bigger men would be knocking people down to get in the queue. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 11 hours ago, Paradise Pete said: Vaccines don't have long-term side-effects. They are gone from your body in a day or two. It's not like medication, which can have a long half-life. Either a problem shows up quickly or not at all. Except that what we're getting aren't vaccines in the traditional sense. Sinovac is. mRNA isn't. It'll be years before we know if that messenger RNA instructed our bodies to do anything unintended. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 4:41 AM, Liverpool Lou said: On 7/24/2021 at 12:51 PM, impulse said: How many kids have been born to vaccinated mothers? Any of them old enough to exhibit learning disabilities? Why should they "have learning disabilities"? Hopefully, they won't. We'll find out in a few years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
impulse Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) On 7/25/2021 at 1:30 AM, jkcjag said: What is quite clear are the short term effects, and potential death, of being infected with COVID19 by not being vaccinated...the choice is yours. However, consider that you may be a carrier and may infect many others when making your choice. I made my choice, based on my age and risks. I got the jabs as soon as it was practical. I may have made a very different choice had I been of child bearing age. So I support their right to make that choice, even if it puts me at slightly higher risk. Edited July 26, 2021 by impulse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 25 minutes ago, impulse said: Except that what we're getting aren't vaccines in the traditional sense. Sinovac is. mRNA isn't. It'll be years before we know if that messenger RNA instructed our bodies to do anything unintended. Astra Zenica is also not mRNA. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shdmn Posted July 26, 2021 Share Posted July 26, 2021 (edited) 20 minutes ago, impulse said: I made my choice, based on my age and risks. I got the jabs as soon as it was practical. I may have made a very different choice had I been of child bearing age. So I support their right to make that choice, even if it puts me at slightly higher risk. Yes, you have a choice. Like this guy. Quote I got 99 problems but a vax ain’t one. https://www.standard.co.uk/news/world/antivaxxer-dies-covid-los-angeles-b947491.html Edited July 26, 2021 by shdmn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Husain Tula Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 12:22 AM, Jingthing said: Well, forget about that original direct registration on the site. I did that too with no contact ever. Now it's all about the links. Check that page often and eventually you'll see information for registration at one or more of the hospitals. Guess what, shortly after my last reply, I received an email telling me my appointment was on 27 July and that I would receive a confirmation SMS in my mobile the day before, which I did. It was at Bangsue Grand station in Bangkok, On 27 July, I headed to the location which was packed, but staff were very efficient and I managed to get my first AstraZeneca jab and walk out in 90 minutes. My schedule for the second shot is in mid October. By the way, I asked the staff who was registering my details if it's open for expatriates to walk in if they are from other provinces, and he said they can. I didn't verify his answer though, but vaccines are going fast. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jingthing Posted July 28, 2021 Share Posted July 28, 2021 52 minutes ago, Husain Tula said: Guess what, shortly after my last reply, I received an email telling me my appointment was on 27 July and that I would receive a confirmation SMS in my mobile the day before, which I did. It was at Bangsue Grand station in Bangkok, On 27 July, I headed to the location which was packed, but staff were very efficient and I managed to get my first AstraZeneca jab and walk out in 90 minutes. My schedule for the second shot is in mid October. By the way, I asked the staff who was registering my details if it's open for expatriates to walk in if they are from other provinces, and he said they can. I didn't verify his answer though, but vaccines are going fast. Congratulations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GroveHillWanderer Posted July 29, 2021 Share Posted July 29, 2021 On 7/25/2021 at 3:16 PM, Jingthing said: Yes but maybe not the best example. There was a batch of polio vaccine that accidentally contained live virus with predictable tragic results. True, but that was a one-off occurrence of a small family-run company that made a mistake in manufacturing one batch of the vaccine in the very first year the polio vaccine was available (1955). The same manufacturing error was never repeated again since, probably because of the heightened vigilance after that one, tragic but isolated event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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