Thailand reports record high new COVID-19 cases and deaths - but even more recoveries

[blackcab]

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[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

Really, or that is what they have announced...  Last time I read anything they had actually only ordered (confirmed) between 3 and 4 million doses, which AZ had indicated they could get more if they actually bothered to join COVAX (which they finally did)... while at the same time they had been saying they had orders for 10 million a month... but the documentation showed it to be a lie.

They also got Sinovac and the other Chinese one. But 10 million was the official number for August

[welshguy]

 

 

8 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Is it generally the case that people who have had Covid still need to be vaccinated?  Won't they already have anti-bodies?

Yes.  Of course.

 

You can still  get it again...Of course if you do get it, you can also pass it on. Hence getting everybody vaccinated worldwide is the solution.

 

( by  "everybody" I mean the majority, or the amount the experts/scientists/virologists etc etc. are saying).

[Kadilo]

Good news the for UK travellers as the government left Thailand in the Amber travel group of countries in the latest review yesterday despite moving Mexico into the Red. 
 

 

[club]

14 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

If they can manage 600,000 jabs per day.... they should run out of the vaccines they have in about .... at most 8 days....  the problem is not how many people they can do per day, unfortunately they can jab more people per day than their monthly supply currently allows because they failed to acquire sufficient supply - so they have to rely on handouts and begging to be moved up in the queue.

The problem is the quality of the vaccines. The Thai people are smart, they know the China vaccines are no match for the Delta variant and they dont want it. AZ would be great if they to get more. Protection is right up there with Pfizer and Moderna.   

[anchadian]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

This is the kind of new high I like to see In just two days, they vaccinated just over one million people. Way to go #Thailand! Please also note that the statistics now includes people getting their third booster shot.

 

https://twitter.com/RichardBarrow/status/1423541276188676098

 

 

National Vaccination Rollout:

 

DAY 52: 164,270 <— holiday

DAY 53: 420,148

DAY 54: 480,155

DAY 55: 194,342 <— Saturday

DAY 56: 180,552 <— Sunday

DAY 57: 332,299

DAY 58: 379,271

DAY 59: 383,607

DAY 60: 670,834 <— NEW HIGH

 

TOTAL: 15,532,016 doses

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1423540130397048833

 

About 6.46% of the population is fully vaccinated with two doses. 14,783,001 (+290,616) people have received the first dose, 4,178,702 (+92,991) have been fully inoculated, and 175,190 have received a third shot. #วัคซีนโควิด19 #COVID19 #ล็อกดาวน์ #KE

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1423582923937042440

 

[bkkcanuck8]

4 minutes ago, anchadian said:

About 6.46% of the population is fully vaccinated with two doses. 14,783,001 (+290,616) people have received the first dose, 4,178,702 (+92,991) have been fully inoculated, and 175,190 have received a third shot. #วัคซีนโควิด19 #COVID19 #ล็อกดาวน์ #KE

https://twitter.com/KhaosodEnglish/status/1423582923937042440

 

 

Your line should be moved down to something like average or mean.... it only goes through two days - one at the beginning and the other as of the last day....  maybe they work hard one day a week to jab as many as possible so they would have the rest of the weak to jab the stragglers and wait for the next delivery ????  I bet a good portion of that 'big day' is the pfizer for medical professionals...

Edited August 6, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[ThailandRyan]

29 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Is it generally the case that people who have had Covid still need to be vaccinated?  Won't they already have anti-bodies?

Not always and those antibodies might not be sufficient for the variant changes. Think of getting vaccinated yearly for the flu because the strain is different, I think the same can be said for yearly boosters of a covid vaccine. 

[Marvin Hagler]

28 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Let’s see what the next few days bring eh. 

I know it’s not fashionable

on here but let’s see what happens over the next week before we pooh pooh what they have already achieved. 
 

Lets be honest no one thought they could do 600,000/day. That’s more i believe than the UK managed at their peak will all those extra resources available in terms of volunteers, army, St. John’s etc etc. 
 

So let’s buck the trend and for one day and say  well done and find something to be optimistic about. 

Do you honestly believe the Thais have it in them to vaccinate more people per day than the UK? Think about the phenomenal transport infrastructure in the UK, the seamless logistics and the number of hospitals and medical personnel not to mention the favourable climate and communications program second to none.

 

Who is checking the number of Vaccines actually administered? Do you honestly think it is beyond the Thais to make up the numbers? Where are the checks and balances? Claiming high number of vaccinations is literally the ONLY thing the powers that be have left to try and save themselves. History suggests they would be highly likely to lie in order to maintain their place at the trough.

[jacob29]

1 hour ago, Bkk Brian said:

36% of people who died from covid yesterday were under 60 years old. The trend for younger victims of this virus continues.

Misleading representation without providing infection numbers and vaccination rates for each age group. I don't know the age numbers for Thailand, but for Australia, around 20% of infections were people 60+ (https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics).

 

If Thailand is similar, it suggests an IFR of 7x higher for 60+. Considering the elderly have been targeted for vaccination, these numbers don't sound out of line with what you would expect.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

29 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

I bet a good portion of that 'big day' is the pfizer for medical professionals...

For the most recent day, 175,000+ doses were booster shots for medical staff, most of them AZ, and a few (1,400+) Pfizer thrown in, but that Pfizer number probably will increase in the days ahead.

 

Without the medical staff booster shots (re-do's made necessary by the government's original reliance on Sinovac), the general population vaccinations would have been a good day, a high day, but nothing earth shattering.

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

1 minute ago, jacob29 said:

Misleading representation without providing infection numbers and vaccination rates for each age group. I don't know the age numbers for Thailand, but for Australia, around 20% of infections were people 60+ (https://www.health.gov.au/news/health-alerts/novel-coronavirus-2019-ncov-health-alert/coronavirus-covid-19-case-numbers-and-statistics).

 

If Thailand is similar, it suggests an IFR of 7x higher for 60+. Considering the elderly have been targeted for vaccination, these numbers don't sound out of line with what you would expect.

This is from the report: "64% of those who died were older than 60 years old"

 

So, 36% of people who died from covid yesterday were under 60 years old. 

 

Not misleading at all.

[club]

Also forgetting that just like the healthcare workers who got 2 jabs of Sinovac and had to get a booster, many other people including government workers also need a booster after getting the weak Sinovac

[Kadilo]

17 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

Do you honestly believe the Thais have it in them to vaccinate more people per day than the UK? 

Yes. When they pull together and work as a team they are a force. Seen it with my own eyes. 

Edited August 6, 2021 by Kadilo

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

12 minutes ago, club said:

Also forgetting that just like the healthcare workers who got 2 jabs of Sinovac and had to get a booster, many other people including government workers also need a booster after getting the weak Sinovac

 

I wanna say I saw an MoPH report the other day indicating that some 3+ million Thais who have received any vaccinations thus far have received the two dose Sinovac regimen.

 

Like this recap of second dose shots in Thailand as of yesterday. The vast majority of second shot doses in Thailand thus far have been Sinovac...  And that almost certainly means their first doses were Sinovac as well.

 

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/fanmoph/photos/a.769525979740426/6636109933081972/?type=3

Edited August 6, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[jacob29]

3 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

This is from the report: "64% of those who died were older than 60 years old"

 

So, 36% of people who died from covid yesterday were under 60 years old. 

 

Not misleading at all.

Which is why I said misleading representation, not misleading numbers. It does not mean the trend for younger people continues. The obvious subtext - whether you intended it or not - being younger people are increasingly at risk of death.

 

It means elderly people are getting vaccinated and not dying as much, which is absolutely expected at this stage.

[farangman]

6 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think those numbers may not be all that they seem to be... Because, MoPH's official figure for Bangkok's population is 7.7 million, which is what they've been using all along for their vaccination reports...

 

And as of a week ago, Bangkok had only given  5.9 million doses in total, including 4.88 million first doses. So yes, they would have had added doses in the ensuing week, but not that many....

 

 

 

This is Bangkok province's latest vaccinations report, which shows 4.1 million first doses have been given, and 1.15 million second doses.... out of a total population of 7.7 million.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/prbangkok/photos/a.340316886067939/3714462191986708/?type=3

 

 

 

 

Genuine question as I dont know the answer......Is the 7.7 million number that they are using, the number of vaccinable aged population i.e. not including children?

[club]

2 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I wanna say I saw an MoPH report the other day indicating that some 3+ million Thais who have received any vaccinations thus far have received the two dose Sinovac regimen.

 

Then that's 3 million more vaccines they have to get. It even could be AZ I imagine

[Bkk Brian]

2 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

Which is why I said misleading representation, not misleading numbers. It does not mean the trend for younger people continues. The obvious subtext - whether you intended it or not - being younger people are increasingly at risk of death.

 

It means elderly people are getting vaccinated and not dying as much, which is absolutely expected at this stage.

If thats what you think up to you but a tiny percentage of elderly people in Thailand have been vaccinated, one of their great failures in prioritizing the vaccination plan. So the evidence for your theory is not correct. 

 

The delta variant also affects and kills people younger

 

 

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

25 minutes ago, farangman said:

Genuine question as I dont know the answer......Is the 7.7 million number that they are using, the number of vaccinable aged population i.e. not including children?

 Can't speak to the children issue. But the 7.7 million population figure for Bangkok is what the MoPH has used in every single vaccination report they've ever produced for purposes of progress toward meeting their 70% goal.....

 

Same like this below (the highlighted number in red at the bottom of this MoPH graphic from last month):

 

 

Same as this one:

 

https://www.facebook.com/informationcovid19/photos/a.106455480972785/378714893746841/?type=3

 

 

The actual population number in the government's 2010 census for Bangkok province was 8.3 million, and the current 2020 population is estimated to be 10 million total.  So any way you cut it, they've still got a long ways to go.

 

I've never heard or seen MoPH explain how/why they came to use the 7.7 million Bangkok population number as the total base for their vaccination goals.

 

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[jacob29]

10 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

If thats what you think up to you but a tiny percentage of elderly people in Thailand have been vaccinated, one of their great failures in prioritizing the vaccination plan. So the evidence for your theory is not correct. 

 

The delta variant also affects and kills people younger

 

 

I'm aware there are indications delta is affecting young people more than previous strains (in hospitalizations, haven't seen data on mortality), but the numbers you quoted are not supportive of an elevated IFR in the <60 demographic.

 

Around 20% of Thai population is 60+ (~13m people). With 15m people receiving at least one dose, I find it highly implausible only a tiny percentage of those vaccinations found their way to 60+ groups. The failure has been diverting vaccines to sandboxes, outside of that they have been prioritizing the elderly.

Edited August 6, 2021 by jacob29

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

I'm aware there are indications delta is affecting young people more than previous strains (in hospitalizations, haven't seen data on mortality), but the numbers you quoted are not supportive of an elevated IFR in the <60 demographic.

 

Around 20% of Thai population is 60+ (~13m people). With 15m people receiving at least one dose, I find it highly implausible only a tiny percentage of those vaccinations found their way to 60+ groups. The failure has been diverting vaccines to sandboxes, outside of that they have been prioritizing the elderly.

 

Just as one indicator, one of the most recent MoPH breakdowns I've seen for Bangkok by target group, which was dated late July, said that among all age 60 plus residents, about 60 percent had received a first dose, and only 3+% had received their second dose.

 

And the vaccination rate for Bangkok is going to be pretty much higher than almost everywhere else in Thailand, with the exceptions of Phuket and Samui.

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[Bkk Brian]

9 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

I'm aware there are indications delta is affecting young people more than previous strains (in hospitalizations, haven't seen data on mortality), but the numbers you quoted are not supportive of an elevated IFR in the <60 demographic.

 

Around 20% of Thai population is 60+ (~13m people). With 15m people receiving at least one dose, I find it highly implausible only a tiny percentage of those vaccinations found their way to 60+ groups. The failure has been diverting vaccines to sandboxes, outside of that they have been prioritizing the elderly.

On the 9th July over 60's just 0.9% fully vaxxed:

 

 

 

[Marvin Hagler]

36 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Yes. When they pull together and work as a team they are a force. Seen it with my own eyes. 

You’ve seen 600,000 vaccinations with your own eyes?

[Marvin Hagler]

37 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Yes. When they pull together and work as a team they are a force. Seen it with my own eyes. 

Can you give me an example?

[bkkcanuck8]

7 minutes ago, Marvin Hagler said:

Can you give me an example?

Give each nurse a 30baht per dose bonus and make sure the officials are not around distracting everyone by wanting to have pictures taken for 3 hours while people wait... and they will easily be able to achieve a much higher rate of jabs per session.

[rabas]

42 minutes ago, jacob29 said:

I'm aware there are indications delta is affecting young people more than previous strains (in hospitalizations, haven't seen data on mortality), but the numbers you quoted are not supportive of an elevated IFR in the <60 demographic.

 

Around 20% of Thai population is 60+ (~13m people). With 15m people receiving at least one dose, I find it highly implausible only a tiny percentage of those vaccinations found their way to 60+ groups. The failure has been diverting vaccines to sandboxes, outside of that they have been prioritizing the elderly.

Delta is now recognized as significantly more virulent and deadly based on real studies. A recent study from Canada found:

 

"Increases with Delta variant were more pronounced: 108% (80-138%) for hospitalization; 234% (164-331%) for ICU admission; and 132% (47-230%) for death. Interpretation: The progressive increase in transmissibility and virulence of SARS-CoV-2 VOCs will result in a significantly larger, and more deadly, pandemic than would have occurred in the absence of VOC emergence."

 

Progressive Increase in Virulence of Novel SARS-CoV-2 Variants in Ontario, Canada

 

"After adjustment for age, sex, vaccination status, comorbidities, health unit, and temporal trend, large and significant increases in the risk of hospitalization, ICU admission, and death were seen..."

 

 

Edited August 6, 2021 by rabas

[anchadian]

 

2 Korat chicken processing factories report over 100 infections

 

2 chicken processing plants in northeastern Thailand’s Nakhon Ratchasima/Korat province have got the bubble/seal treatment after over 100 employees tested positive for Covid. The outbreak from the two poultry factories, which employs over 10,000 workers, aroused fear in the nearby residents at the prospect of Covid running amok in their area.

 

https://thethaiger.com/news/national/2-korat-chicken-processing-factories-report-over-100-infections

 

[jacob29]

33 minutes ago, Bkk Brian said:

On the 9th July over 60's just 0.9% fully vaxxed:

 

You don't need to be fully vaccinated to see benefits. There are reports of 40% reduced mortality for single dose sinovac, and 40-80% single dose AZ. Based on the BKK vaccination of 60% for 60+ in Bangkok mentioned in the post above yours, that's going to have a big impact on numbers. Which can be expected to diminish as cases increase outside of Bangkok.

[wensiensheng]

7 hours ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

 

I think those numbers may not be all that they seem to be... Because, MoPH's official figure for Bangkok's population is 7.7 million, which is what they've been using all along for their vaccination reports...

 

And as of a week ago, Bangkok had only given  5.9 million doses in total, including 4.88 million first doses. So yes, they would have had added doses in the ensuing week, but not that many....

 

 

 

This is Bangkok province's latest vaccinations report, which shows 4.1 million first doses have been given, and 1.15 million second doses.... out of a total population of 7.7 million.

 

 

https://www.facebook.com/prbangkok/photos/a.340316886067939/3714462191986708/?type=3

 

 

 

 

I wonder what will happen when bangkok first doses reach 7.7 million, and there is still 2 million odd people looking to be vaccinated? And when they get to 9.7 million first doses, Will it show 130% of people have had their first shot?