COVID recoveries outnumber new cases in Thailand for second day running

[buick]

here is an interesting article from the UK. 

 

https://us.yahoo.com/news/delta-variant-wrecked-hopes-herd-155937283.html

[ChipButty]

46 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Would you call him fully recovered? I guess if he has to isolate he isn't. A load of medication as anyone who has been to a doctor here knows is the norm. If he isn't fully recoverd then we know why release numbers are so high. Not fully recovered but released from medical care but classified as recovered. Just more subterfuge.

He's not fully recovered 

[anchadian]

Pfizer vaccine: shot in the arm for Thailand’s medics comes with a dose of controversy

On Monday, the hashtag #whereisPfizervaccine began top-trending on Twitter after several hospitals complained they had been allocated far fewer Pfizer shots than they had requested. It was heartbreaking to hear that medics treating COVID-19 patients in Pattani Hospital had to draw lots to determine who would get a booster shot.

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pfizer-vaccine-shot-in-the-arm-for-thailands-medics-comes-with-a-dose-of-controversy/

[anchadian]

2 hours ago, anchadian said:

Chonburi Public Health Office has just announced they have 1,368 new cases and 11 more deaths. Most new cases are in Chonburi City (376), Bang Lamung/Pattaya (187), and Si Racha (340). 19,170 patients are now in care #COVID19 #โควิดวันนี้ #Thailand

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1425248080144658433

Further details:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/11/chonburi-announces-1368-new-covid-19-cases-with-11-deaths/

[anchadian]

Hua Hin Today: Tourism business have proposed that COVID-19 restrictions in Hua Hin and throughout Prachuap Khiri Khan are eased such as the opening of swimming pools and restaurants in hotels 

https://www.huahintoday.com/hua-hin-news/tourism-leader-calls-for-covid-19-restrictions-in-hua-hin-to-be-eased/

 

https://twitter.com/ThaiNewsReports/status/1425298513051545607

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by anchadian

[smedly]

2 hours ago, webfact said:

● 22,012 recoveries

playing with numbers again I see, what does recoveries even mean, infected people at home ?, it doesn't change the numbers  RAT tests change the numbers bevause they are not reported in the official numbers

[dinsdale]

Just now, ChipButty said:

He's not fully recovered 

Sorry to hear that but the point must be made that the figures of people being released as recovered must be seen as completely misleading. How many of today's 22,012 are in the same boat. This is where the >50% jump comes from. Before people were sent home from hospital fully recovered. Now they are being sent home classified as recovered when they are not. Being that the almost overnight jump was 50% it's fair to assume that somewhere around 50% of the newly classified recovered are infact not fully recovered as such to use this terminology is fraudulent. Just briefly last wk they used released from medical care and indeed this is what it is. It is not recovered. 

[ikke1959]

Something new to add the recoveries.... So the people can see that the lockdown is working as the vaccination.. But I am not sure to trust these numbers.. I am even thinking that in while there are more recoveries so that we have negatieve covid cases to keep the high numbers of recoveries... Of course I understand that and I am happy that most people will be healthy again

[Bkk Brian]

32 minutes ago, buick said:

i know my suggestions will be immediately rejected by most.  but here it goes.  not long ago i did a comparison btwn the peak in india and what the peak might be in thailand.  we all know the official numbers for both countries are not perfect but most likely give a general idea on the direction of up or down.  india's peak was roughly 400,000 cases/day (7 day daily avg) and 4,000 deaths.  divide by 20 and that put thailand at 20,000 and 200.  again, it isn't a perfect analysis, far from it, but it does give you some idea.  as an example, we probably won't see 1,000 deaths in a day (using the 7 day daily avg).  will we see 500 ?  probably not.  300 ?  i wouldn't bet against that one.  my bet/guess is we are getting close to the peak of this wave.  coming back down won't feel great with alot more deaths to register.  but hopefully we are almost halfway through and the vaccines will help fight the next wave.

Not seen any rejections yet, have a read of this post from yesterday on the same subject but from a different angle although with the same hope and a little evidence

Edited August 11, 2021 by Bkk Brian

[smedly]

2 hours ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Nice to see the more positive headline.

sad to see some people that should know better are falling for it

Edited August 11, 2021 by smedly

[jerrymahoney]

30 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Today was Thailand's only third time above 21,000 cases, and as predicted, the day's case count rose again after the not uncommon downturn period over the weekend that had daily cases in the 19,000s. So much for some folks' downward trend.

So that is an upturn in the downturn and not a downturn in the upturn.

[anchadian]

Thailand scrambles for COVID-19 antiviral as vaccines run short

Bangkok to import more Favipiravir as patient numbers surge

 

BANGKOK -- After a botched vaccine rollout that saw a third wave of COVID-19 wash over Thailand, the country is rushing to secure supplies of the antiviral medication Favipiravir as the number of patients and fatalities spirals higher.

 

https://asia.nikkei.com/Spotlight/Coronavirus/Thailand-scrambles-for-COVID-19-antiviral-as-vaccines-run-short

[anchadian]

Covid blame game spreads like a virus in Thailand

 

Political squabbling spikes with rising infections and deaths as kingdom shifts from Covid success story to cautionary tale

 

BANGKOK – When Thai Public Health Minister Anutin Charnvirakul met with Pfizer company representatives in Bangkok in late 2020, the businessman-cum-politician declined to place a Covid-19 vaccine order because in his words the shot was not yet proven effective on “yellow-skinned people”, according to government sources familiar with the meeting.

 

https://asiatimes.com/2021/08/covid-blame-game-spreads-like-a-virus-in-thailand/

[smedly]

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I suspect that the virus can infect people at levels too low for PCR detection

not correct - do some research

[lolalol]

I think this is a sesame street statistics.

[smedly]

2 hours ago, ThailandRyan said:

This is a requirement now due to the GF having to have a procedure completed

how do they look ????

[ChipButty]

14 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

Sorry to hear that but the point must be made that the figures of people being released as recovered must be seen as completely misleading. How many of today's 22,012 are in the same boat. This is where the >50% jump comes from. Before people were sent home from hospital fully recovered. Now they are being sent home classified as recovered when they are not. Being that the almost overnight jump was 50% it's fair to assume that somewhere around 50% of the newly classified recovered are infact not fully recovered as such to use this terminology is fraudulent. Just briefly last wk they used released from medical care and indeed this is what it is. It is not recovered. 

They only took him off the oxygen the other day now they send him home all seemed a bit quick to me

Edited August 11, 2021 by ChipButty

[Bkk Brian]

Before delta but the most comprehensive and up to date study yet on asymptomatic. 35% of people.

 

The best comprehensive review of the asymptomatic status with Covid, >350 studies, just out

@PNASNews https://pnas.org/content/118/34/e2109229118 Overall: true, never had symptoms 35%; children 47%

(wonder what the rate is w/ Delta)

 

https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1425230814862708739

 

[dinsdale]

28 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Ah right. Are they part of the UK now?

Your post:

"Yes people who are fully vaccinated will be more than happy to holiday here in the high season once it opens up, such as those from the UK where Thailand still sits in the amber zone so no quarantine on return. The fact that it was not upgraded to red will reassure many it’s safe to come. 

 

Not everyone lives in fear thankfully."

 

You used the phrase "such as those from the UK" which demonstrates that the UK is but one example of ".... people who are fully vaccinated...." therefore using the USA as another example is legitimate. Your childish response holds no weight.

My post:

"Did you not see the USA is warning it's citizens even those fully vaccinated about travel to Thailand."

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

48 minutes ago, LiamB80 said:

They then moved me from ASQ to what they call a hospitel which is a hotel acting as a hospital.

Did you have any choice as to what hospitel facility / what location you were assigned to?

 

[ThailandRyan]

5 minutes ago, smedly said:

how do they look ????

I wish, but not needed.  It unfortunately deals with a medical issue.

[TallGuyJohninBKK]

9 minutes ago, brewsterbudgen said:

Falling for what?  Surely you're not suggesting the Admin of this Forum would be deceptive, are you?

There's a natural human tendency to look for some positive aspect of things, when in the broader scheme of things, they're in fact really going in the dumper... 

 

That doesn't change the fact that they're in fact going in the dumper. It just takes a clear-eyed look at the objective facts that are occurring, which not everyone is willing to do.

 

Plus it gets tiring/uncomfortable to day after day have to write the same headline -- Thailand sets a new record high for daily COVID cases (and/or deaths).

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by TallGuyJohninBKK

[smedly]

1 hour ago, LiamB80 said:

Yes, I got my discharge papers already. Just waiting for noon to officially leave this place.

were you fully vaccinated ?

[jerrymahoney]

18 minutes ago, smedly said:

2 hours ago, Danderman123 said:

I suspect that the virus can infect people at levels too low for PCR detection

not correct - do some research

"Studies have suggested that PCR tests start to detect RNA from SARS-CoV-2, roughly 1-3 days before the onset of symptoms – similar to when people start to become infectious – with the highest viral loads observed during the first few days of symptoms (assuming the person is symptomatic). From this point, the amount of virus gradually declines, until it can no longer be detected by PCR. In general, asymptomatic people may test positive for 1-2 weeks, while those with mild-to moderate disease often continue to test positive for a week or more after this."

 

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/false-negative-how-long-does-it-take-coronavirus-become-detectable-pcr  (5 JULY 2021)

Edited August 11, 2021 by jerrymahoney

[anchadian]

TIMELINE: Pattaya and Banglamung inform residents who visited places in relation to the most recent Chonburi confirmed Covid –19 cases

 

List of places here:

https://thepattayanews.com/2021/08/11/timeline-pattaya-and-banglamung-inform-residents-who-visited-places-in-relation-to-the-most-recent-chonburi-confirmed-covid-19-cases/

[Danderman123]

13 minutes ago, smedly said:

not correct - do some research

Almost by definition it is impossible to research my hypothesis.

 

Perhaps you could explain why antibodies are showing up in large fractions of the population, although it’s extremely unlikely that people were infected at testable levels to that degree. 
 

Two-thirds of Indians have coronavirus antibodies, survey shows

 

similar surveys in other countries show similar results.

 

There are not many explanation for this.

 

One explanation is that a billion Indians were infected by Covid-19. At a 1% Case Fatality Rate, that’s 10 million dead, but maybe 100 - 200 million with symptoms. Unlikely.

 

Another explanation is there is some other virus provoking an antibody reaction to Covid-19. Possible, but there’s a Nobel prize awaiting whoever figures it out.

 

my hypothesis is that people are being infected at extremely low levels, with no symptoms and a viral load too low for PCR, but enough to trigger an antibody reaction. 
 

your guess is as good as mine.

 

 

 

[LiamB80]

4 minutes ago, TallGuyJohninBKK said:

Did you have any choice as to what hospitel facility / what location you were assigned to?

 

No I didn’t have a choice. Each ASQ hotel is partnered with a hospital. Some are better than others so it’s a good idea to check which hospital they work with before booking. A doctor called my room and informed me I had covid and an hour later an ambulance showed up and took me away. I thought I was being taken to a hospital but it ended up being another hotel converted into a hospitel. 

[Danderman123]

5 minutes ago, jerrymahoney said:

"Studies have suggested that PCR tests start to detect RNA from SARS-CoV-2, roughly 1-3 days before the onset of symptoms – similar to when people start to become infectious – with the highest viral loads observed during the first few days of symptoms (assuming the person is symptomatic). From this point, the amount of virus gradually declines, until it can no longer be detected by PCR. In general, asymptomatic people may test positive for 1-2 weeks, while those with mild-to moderate disease often continue to test positive for a week or more after this."

 

https://www.gavi.org/vaccineswork/false-negative-how-long-does-it-take-coronavirus-become-detectable-pcr  (5 JULY 2021)

I am not talking about people who get infected with viral loads detectable early on with PCR.

 

I am talking about people who receive teeny tiny amounts of virus, so small that the body can handle it, but new antibodies are produced.

 

Again, this is not even my opinion, it’s just a hypothesis to explain the India numbers.

[LiamB80]

7 minutes ago, smedly said:

were you fully vaccinated ?

No I’m unvaccinated.

[metisdead]

Some troll posts, bickering and baiting posts and the replies have been removed.