Pfizer vaccine: shot in the arm for Thailand’s medics comes with a dose of controversy

[webfact]

 

 

(Photo by Thai PBS)

 

Thais are closely monitoring the distribution of US-donated Pfizer jabs amid widespread concern that so-called VVIPs will snatch the highly effective mRNA vaccine away from its rightful recipients.

 

On Monday, the hashtag #whereisPfizervaccine began top-trending on Twitter after several hospitals complained they had been allocated far fewer Pfizer shots than they had requested. It was heartbreaking to hear that medics treating COVID-19 patients in Pattani Hospital had to draw lots to determine who would get a booster shot.

 

Most frontline health workers have already received two shots of Sinovac, but evidence indicates immunity provided by the Chinese-made inactivated vaccine has dropped fast, and a booster is necessary.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/pfizer-vaccine-shot-in-the-arm-for-thailands-medics-comes-with-a-dose-of-controversy/

 

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[RotBenz8888]

4 minutes ago, webfact said:

whereisPfizervaccine

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by RotBenz8888

[Scrotobike]

And..... the 150,000 for us dirty foreigners are....poof as if by magic.....

Is there a high demand for the HiSo children going to "study abroad"?

As transparent as charcoal!

[John Drake]

Priority for frontline workers at K Village.

[Thailand]

I am sure Prayuth and Anutin will ensure that the vaccine and the 5 mill bonus will be properly allocated.

[internationalism]

the last time I hear anything concrete about pfizer, when they were dispatching some to buriram province under cover of dark 

[trainman34014]

Can just see it now as 'Hi-So's' creep in the back door of Hospitals and then....'''Pssst; rent me your Nurses Uniform for twenty minutes, name your price and i'll bring it back right after the jab ' !

[Srikcir]

"vaccine has dropped fast" 

Lowest efficacy than the other brands, recent evidence suggests 50% drop every 40 days. 

The government's extensive use of SinoVac was likely a political and economic one - advance China's worldwide medical tech and save from buying more expensive Western vaccines.

The Thai government should immediately purchase additional Pfizer doses in number given as a booster to medical workers regardless of the cost for immediate  distribution to "unjabbed" vulnerable peoples to account for its misguided covid 19 vaccine foreign policy. Without cost to the recipient.

[Thailand]

4 hours ago, Scrotobike said:

And..... the 150,000 for us dirty foreigners are....poof as if by magic.....

Is there a high demand for the HiSo children going to "study abroad"?

As transparent as charcoal!

Might be quite elderly children.

[AgentSmith]

Just to make it very clear: registration for Pfizer jabs for foreigners over 60 or with certain underlying diseases is still wide open at several hospitals in Bangkok. No need for posts from people in these groups saying they can't get it because they can if they want to.

Edited August 11, 2021 by AgentSmith

[hotchilli]

2 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Can just see it now as 'Hi-So's' creep in the back door of Hospitals and then....'''Pssst; rent me your Nurses Uniform for twenty minutes, name your price and i'll bring it back right after the jab ' !

Hi-so go to hospital for their jabs... how ungodly.

I bet they get a home service along with other influential people.

[mtls2005]

5 hours ago, webfact said:

medics treating COVID-19 patients in Pattani Hospital had to draw lots to determine who would get a booster shot.

 

I wonder how they managed this lottery? Like the annual military conscription?

 

 

[scorecard]

11 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Hi-so go to hospital for their jabs... how ungodly.

I bet they get a home service along with other influential people.

Or just walk in to their preferred 5 star hospital (possibly taking selfies to show friends) with no thought whatever as to what precautions they should take to respect the lives of other patients and health workers in the hospital. 

[BestB]

I do not know why anyone is surprised. Half has been sold to come private clinic and someone just made a few million dollars and someone else made just as much

[garyk]

What a mess, Nothing will change in Thailand.

[fvw53]

Where is the scientific evidence that the Pfizer mRNA vaccine is more "highly effective" than for instance AstraZeneca ?

One thing is sure : there is a big fight going on in the world of Big Pharma and not only for the market of to-day but also for the sales of many years in the future because this COVID will not go away and will require additional jabs once (or even more) a year.

Go to Forbes.com and fill in their search tool : ""How The Covid-19 Vaccine Injected Billions Into Big Pharma—And Made Its Executives Very Rich

 

Edited August 11, 2021 by fvw53
typo

[Snoopax]

6 hours ago, Scrotobike said:

And..... the 150,000 for us dirty foreigners are....poof as if by magic.....

Is there a high demand for the HiSo children going to "study abroad"?

As transparent as charcoal!

Don't worry, Karma is coming for them.

[steve187]

2 hours ago, BestB said:

I do not know why anyone is surprised. Half has been sold to come private clinic and someone just made a few million dollars and someone else made just as much

link please, but i fear its in your head

[Thingamabob]

7 hours ago, Thailand said:

I am sure Prayuth and Anutin will ensure that the vaccine and the 5 mill bonus will be properly allocated.

Anutin's Sino Thai money gives him massive power but not, apparently, the power to properly organize the medical services.

[Scrotobike]

1 hour ago, Snoopax said:

Don't worry, Karma is coming for them.

Karma - the long game!

[Random ACT]

Just to make things More interesting..!

These are the Health workforce status in Thailand for 2019

Profession	Estimated No.
Doctors	32,900
Nurses	228,200
Dentists	10,500
Pharmacists	13,300
Total	284,900

 

lets say 300 -350 K of healthforce, hmm God knows why the hxxx all this fuzz..!  I think to give the Pfizer shot as a booster they will still have 1 Mil after the 150 K they allocated for foreigners, it's really out of any human being logical mathematical calculation and understanding that one day questions will be asked and the most important of them all. IS (is it all worth it..?!) I really Love this Country lets hope all will be good.

 

Stay Safe  

[placeholder]

2 minutes ago, Random ACT said:

Just to make things More interesting..!

These are the Health workforce status in Thailand for 2019

Profession	Estimated No.
Doctors	32,900
Nurses	228,200
Dentists	10,500
Pharmacists	13,300
Total	284,900

 

lets say 300 -350 K of healthforce, hmm God knows why the hxxx all this fuzz..!  I think to give the Pfizer shot as a booster they will still have 1 Mil after the 150 K they allocated for foreigners, it's really out of any human being logical mathematical calculation and understanding that one day questions will be asked and the most important of them all. IS (is it all worth it..?!) I really Love this Country lets hope all will be good.

 

Stay Safe  

what about all the other people who work on the front lines? Cleaners, maintenance staff, etc.

[Random ACT]

Just now, placeholder said:

what about all the other people who work on the front lines? Cleaners, maintenance staff, etc.

true there is more frontLine workers such as First responders, Education, Corrections workers, Postal Service workers, Public transit workers, Grocery store workers. (Still the 1 Mil) would be enough for these in the official sector who are making the fuzz rightly so.

 

We still need this car's engine and wheels running so they come first and everyone else will come next its ok to prioritize and plan, but also not forgetting they also giving other effective vaccines brands its not only this one.

[GarryP]

My nephew who is a nurse at a medical station out in the sticks in Kalasin got his Pfizer booster today. He had already had 2 sinopharm shots. 

[impulse]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

"vaccine has dropped fast" 

Lowest efficacy than the other brands, recent evidence suggests 50% drop every 40 days. 

You're confusing antibody count with efficacy.  Many of us who were jabbed for measles, polio, etc. are still protected decades later, in spite of the fact that the antibody count has dwindled to a tiny percentage of what it was the day we got the vaccines.

 

[placeholder]

5 hours ago, Srikcir said:

"vaccine has dropped fast" 

Lowest efficacy than the other brands, recent evidence suggests 50% drop every 40 days. 

The government's extensive use of SinoVac was likely a political and economic one - advance China's worldwide medical tech and save from buying more expensive Western vaccines.

The Thai government should immediately purchase additional Pfizer doses in number given as a booster to medical workers regardless of the cost for immediate  distribution to "unjabbed" vulnerable peoples to account for its misguided covid 19 vaccine foreign policy. Without cost to the recipient.

Given that the Thai govt could have ordered a lot more AZ vaccine at a much cheaper price but instead chose Sinovac suggests a far more discreditable motivation for its use. That said, there were only lab studies of antibody levels. Not a good way to predict effectiveness of a vaccine.

[internationalism]

37 minutes ago, Random ACT said:

Just to make things More interesting..!

These are the Health workforce status in Thailand for 2019

Profession	Estimated No.
Doctors	32,900
Nurses	228,200
Dentists	10,500
Pharmacists	13,300
Total	284,900

 

lets say 300 -350 K of healthforce, hmm God knows why the hxxx all this fuzz..!  I think to give the Pfizer shot as a booster they will still have 1 Mil after the 150 K they allocated for foreigners, it's really out of any human being logical mathematical calculation and understanding that one day questions will be asked and the most important of them all. IS (is it all worth it..?!) I really Love this Country lets hope all will be good.

 

Stay Safe  

wrong statistics.

nurses almost 500k

doctors 60k

way many more pharmacists, there is pharmacy on almost every street corner.

Similar with dentists.

Those figures are possibly only in the state health system. 

That's why 700k allocated. And still not enough - medics have to draw straws for pfizer.

 

At the beginning of the year in the first vax program there were listed 1.5mld medics. Includes private hospitals.

But does not include 900k health volunteers - those, who visit covid patients at home to check their oxygen, give them medicines, food

Edited August 11, 2021 by internationalism

[Random ACT]

24 minutes ago, internationalism said:

wrong statistics.

nurses almost 500k

doctors 60k

way many more pharmacists, there is pharmacy on almost every street corner.

Similar with dentists.

Those figures are possibly only in the state health system. 

That's why 700k allocated. And still not enough - medics have to draw straws for pfizer.

 

At the beginning of the year in the first vax program there were listed 1.5mld medics. Includes private hospitals.

But does not include 900k health volunteers - those, who visit covid patients at home to check their oxygen, give them medicines, food

I do agree with you about the Numbers it could be more realistic than what WHO announced in 2019, but still what lift of the donated vaccine will be cover more than 80% of those Numbers you stated. 

Stay Safe..

[david555]

1 hour ago, placeholder said:

what about all the other people who work on the front lines? Cleaners, maintenance staff, etc.

"Kannon fodder" they call that in army language war times 

Edited August 11, 2021 by david555

[RobU]

2 hours ago, placeholder said:

what about all the other people who work on the front lines? Cleaners, maintenance staff, etc.

I see your point but healthcare workers are the most vulnerable. they work in areas of High Viral Load ie they are surrounded by extremely poorly people with high concentrations of the the virus in their systems and are constantly touching and getting very close to them. I agree hospitals are dangerous places because the virus is exhaled on the breath of the patients and, no matter how strict the containment protocols are, the infected air will escape from the ward into the air of the corridors and changing rooms of the hospital. BUT healthcare workers are more at risk when they are at work and to be blunt they are valuable and not easily replaced (7 years training for a doctor 4 years training for a nurse).