'We don't know if we'll survive': Thailand sex workers left struggling as COVID-19 lockdown drags on

[Ralf001]

blah blah blah.

 

They will survive.

[impulse]

My heart goes out to people whose livelihoods have been devastated. 

 

But if the lockdowns allow (force?) them to find a vocation other than being exploited by sweaty old foreigners, perhaps there's a silver lining.

 

Besides, 2 or 3 more revision cycles, and their jobs are going to be taken over by Japanese robots anyway.  They may as well start looking for alternatives now.

 

[Tanomazu]

4 hours ago, NanaSomchai said:

...to keep carrying on fleecing and scamming foreigners/tourists at every chance they get instead of trying to educate themselves, get a proper job, get out of the adult industry and elevate themselves in society.

 

This is Thailand.

True, but you can't blame them. The state fails to provide a proper education, or the financial means to pursue one.

 

Even if they wanted to. Even if they have the brains, many do, they have no chance.

Edited August 18, 2021 by Tanomazu

[daveAustin]

5 hours ago, impulse said:

Besides, 2 or 3 more revision cycles, and their jobs are going to be taken over by Japanese robots anyway.  They may as well start looking for alternatives now.

Wish they’d hurry up with them bots. Never had an issue getting a girl, but kinda like the idea of a very fit, incredibly loyal and intelligent beauty that can cook Michelin-star food, never gets a headache,  doesn’t get tired, doesn’t whinge and, most importantly, can be turned off. lol

[Tanomazu]

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Wish they’d hurry up with them bots. Never had an issue getting a girl, but kinda like the idea of a very fit, incredibly loyal and intelligent beauty that can cook Michelin-star food, never gets a headache,  doesn’t get tired, doesn’t whinge and, most importantly, can be turned off. lol

Problem is, no matter how beautiful she is, she'll turn 55. Then what?

 

And they all get an attitude by that age.

[impulse]

29 minutes ago, Tanomazu said:

1 hour ago, daveAustin said:

Wish they’d hurry up with them bots. Never had an issue getting a girl, but kinda like the idea of a very fit, incredibly loyal and intelligent beauty that can cook Michelin-star food, never gets a headache,  doesn’t get tired, doesn’t whinge and, most importantly, can be turned off. lol

Problem is, no matter how beautiful she is, she'll turn 55. Then what?

 

And they all get an attitude by that age.

If it's a Japanese robot like we're discussing, you either do an upgrade or turn her in for the next year's model.  Or buy next year's model and keep them both...  They won't mind a threesome.

 

 

[olfu]

On 8/16/2021 at 12:49 AM, NanaSomchai said:

I don't recall ever anyone building a 7+ bedrooms mansion with a king sized swimming pool, let alone build an empire or becoming the next Elon Musk or the next Jeff Bezos, by stuffing someone else's genitals in their face/in their private intimate parts for a decade or two, ever.

 

The sex trade as we softly like to call it on this forum is actually called "modern slavery", or "sexual exploitation" or "human trafficking" according to trustworthy World recognized charities/organizations such as (but not limited to), Unicef, Amnesty International, WHO, etc...

 

It is time users on this forum take those pink-rose tinted glasses off and start to call a spade, a spade.

 

Keeping people in the sex trade does NOT build any future for anyone.

Yes some punters might become faithful sponsors over the years after sending millions of baht over the years and yes the luckiest of these girls might be able to repay their families debts, repay their mortgages, acquire that fancy shiney car, some might even get married and have children with some of these girls, I'll give you that, but at the end of the day, keeping people engaged actively in the sex trade is morally and ethically wrong.

 

Thailand has been talking about "clearing" and "cleaning" it's image for years but has never got around to it, it is now better than never the perfect time or should I say; the perfect opportunity to do so.

 

Thailand has yet to reinvent itself and the sex workers have to enter the 21th century, which based on the clear shifting to provide such services through online, some readers might be inclined to think it is already happening anyway.

you teach us about modern slavery?

You never lived in in US where modern slavery applied to mostly males.

[thaibeachlovers]

14 hours ago, DBath said:

You’ve described to a ‘T’ what I hate most about western women - particularly those in the US. I’ve lived and worked in every major US city and I can tell you firsthand California/west coast women are probably the worst, followed by the southern princesses, IMO. Then just keep going down the list chronologically until you reach the midwestern girls, who’re at the bottom. 

Oh dear. Times have changed since the Beach Boys sang about California Girls then?

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, impulse said:

If it's a Japanese robot like we're discussing, you either do an upgrade or turn her in for the next year's model.  Or buy next year's model and keep them both...  They won't mind a threesome.

 

 

If I have any regrets about crossing the great divide, it's that I died before sexbots were invented.

[thaibeachlovers]

11 hours ago, impulse said:

My heart goes out to people whose livelihoods have been devastated. 

 

But if the lockdowns allow (force?) them to find a vocation other than being exploited by sweaty old foreigners, perhaps there's a silver lining.

 

Besides, 2 or 3 more revision cycles, and their jobs are going to be taken over by Japanese robots anyway.  They may as well start looking for alternatives now.

 

No idea why so many posters claim that bargirls are being exploited by old farangs, when it's normally, IMO, the other way around.

[impulse]

41 minutes ago, thaibeachlovers said:

No idea why so many posters claim that bargirls are being exploited by old farangs, when it's normally, IMO, the other way around.

I've just never met a little girl that claimed her goal in life was to blow old foreigners for money.  Nurse, teacher, singer, model, actress, even corrupt gub'ment official, sure.  Sperm receptacle for money?  Never.

 

And anyone who looks at an underage girl and hopes she grows up to be a real good hooker is sick.

 

[BritManToo]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:49 PM, NanaSomchai said:

The sex trade as we softly like to call it on this forum is actually called "modern slavery", or "sexual exploitation" or "human trafficking" according to trustworthy World recognized charities/organizations such as (but not limited to), Unicef, Amnesty International, WHO, etc...

 

It is time users on this forum take those pink-rose tinted glasses off and start to call a spade, a spade.

Lived with 3 ladies from the sex trade, they certainly didn't consider themselves slaves/exploited/trafficked.

One of them did it because she wanted the sex.

One did it because it was the best way for her 'to be free'.

 

Modern slavery is working in an office with unpaid and compulsory overtime.

I did it it the UK for years, and given a choice, I would have preferred to work as a bar girl, with the opportunity of a free house and being kept for life.

 

Rather than me taking off my rose-tinted glasses, you should throw off your out-dated prudish Christian morality.

Edited August 19, 2021 by BritManToo

[BritManToo]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:42 PM, Bkktodd said:

In the 22 years ive been living in Thailand im amazed at all the farangs who managed to meet their wives, live in caretakers in the village.  Noone ever admits they married a bar/gogo  girl… the hypocrisy is astounding .

I've admitted it, and it's been great.

Set up house with them 3x, but only married one of them.

[Rimmer]

An inflammatory post has been removed:

 

[DBath]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Lived with 3 ladies from the sex trade, they certainly didn't consider themselves slaves/exploited/trafficked.

One of them did it because she wanted the sex.

One did it because it was the best way for her 'to be free'.

 

Modern slavery is working in an office with unpaid and compulsory overtime.

I did it it the UK for years, and given a choice, I would have preferred to work as a bar girl, with the opportunity of a free house and being kept for life.

 

Rather than me taking off my rose-tinted glasses, you should throw off your out-dated prudish Christian morality.

I love your sense of humor and reading many of your posts, but I have to say BritMan it would be a cold day in hell before I would ever come to you for advice about women, marriage or relationships.
 

I do wish I could have known you during my whore-mongering days, though. ????

Edited August 19, 2021 by DBath

[Harveyboy]

On 8/16/2021 at 1:51 PM, OneMoreFarang said:

Better adopt at least three of them. Then they can play cards together sing a song and enjoy their lives. ???? 

can i be a good Samaritan and adopt a few I'll take very good care of them .... promise..

[Broken Record]

10 hours ago, daveAustin said:

Wish they’d hurry up with them bots. Never had an issue getting a girl, but kinda like the idea of a very fit, incredibly loyal and intelligent beauty that can cook Michelin-star food, never gets a headache,  doesn’t get tired, doesn’t whinge and, most importantly, can be turned off. lol

Right, book me up for 2.

[DBath]

5 hours ago, thaibeachlovers said:

Oh dear. Times have changed since the Beach Boys sang about California Girls then?

Well, yes that's true, but they also probably had the luxury of having their pick of every litter.

[BritManToo]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

I've just never met a little girl that claimed her goal in life was to blow old foreigners for money.  Nurse, teacher, singer, model, actress, even corrupt gub'ment official, sure.  Sperm receptacle for money?  Never.

I've never met a little boy that claimed his goal in life was to work in an office for 60 hours a week in order to support a lazy white woman who denies him sex and bangs other guys while he's at work.

 

We all make compromises, usually white men make the most/worst more soul destroying.

[Bruno123]

6 hours ago, impulse said:

I've just never met a little girl that claimed her goal in life was to blow old foreigners for money.  Nurse, teacher, singer, model, actress, even corrupt gub'ment official, sure.  Sperm receptacle for money?  Never.

 

And anyone who looks at an underage girl and hopes she grows up to be a real good hooker is sick.

 

 

I can actually back up what BritManToo is asserting to a certain extent. I've had girls, at the beach(in the old days) tell me that they have come down from Bangkok because it's the only way they can get sex.

Girls with high ranking police and army parents in Pattaya just to have fun with foreigners. 

The eligible guys getting it offered for free will meet that kind of girl because that kind of girl is looking for them.

I know this kind of girl even to this day. Though some as now simply not welcome back home because of COVID and perhaps other reasons.

How am I sure? They even show me pictures of their other life on the phones; hundreds of them.

Not only Thai. One Russian woman confided in me that is from whom she gets her love; from her customers.

That's not to say that she does not need the money. But the money is not the only reason why she does it.

Some people; often psychopaths or with some similar personality disorder, will choose that kind of life, as it gives them the 'freedom' they crave.

 

BMT's experiences have likely been shaped by women with personality disorders.

[kingstonkid]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:49 PM, NanaSomchai said:

I don't recall ever anyone building a 7+ bedrooms mansion with a king sized swimming pool, let alone build an empire or becoming the next Elon Musk or the next Jeff Bezos, by stuffing someone else's genitals in their face/in their private intimate parts for a decade or two, ever.

There are many cases of girls that have made an awesome living through the oldest profession known to manor woman.

 

A woman is not going to come out and say I am a millionaire because I pedalled my ass. BUT they will come out and say I am a millionaire because I had a job that provided me a good income and I learnt to manage and invest my money.

 

In western culture it is easier because the training is there. BUT that does not mean that a girl in Thailand that had a plan and stuck to it could not do the same.

 

[kingstonkid]

On 8/16/2021 at 9:15 AM, NanaSomchai said:

And sex is what we're paying them for and it is what we're getting. Nothing else.

 

Pay them for sex, have a good time and move on. Most of these girls are sex addicts, alcohol addicts, have mental issues and are "damaged" beyond repair anyway.

You poor poor man.

 

Sex addiction and prostitution do not go hand in hand.  Most girls tht are prostitutes are very rarely sex addicts because a sex addict and the joy it brings does it for the sex prostitutes do it for the money and only care bout you the client being happy.

 

Yes there are different levels of prostitutes just like in a profession.

 

There are the girls that get into it because of drugs or alcohol and live the life and die.  I am not sure where in BKK you would find them and really do not care.

 

There are girls that get into the business because they need a few extra bucks.

 

The predominant ones are the girls that you see in Soi buakao walking street patpong, soi Cowboy and NANA bars.  They are the professionals and as such have absolutely no time for having either of the above categories near them hurting their business.

 

Most of them are girls that had nothing at home.  They are also the ones that are believe it or not in their minds looking for the white knight to come and rescue them so that they can have a good life and provide for their families.

The smart ones and I am sure there are a few know that they will not be able to do this for the rest of their lives and save their money and invest it.

 

Prostitution is in every country (even the Muslim) in the poorer countries it is not as regulated.  These girls that re smart have investment councillors and accountants they file their taxes and get all the benefits.

 

I had a friend that could not understand why a person would date a stripper (for Thailand insert bar girl) then after he met a few he realized that walking down the street with a girl that takes care of her looks and dresses to the 9's was not a bad thing.

 

 

[Leaver]

On 8/18/2021 at 4:07 PM, Tanomazu said:

 

It actually took years until Thailand was back to normal after the Tsunami, even if they could start rebuilding quickly, tourism did not return immediately. Losses to the Thai economy were 14 billion Baht, or 3 per cent of GDP, depending who you believe.

 

Obviously the Covid madness will end, and there is already an end in sight. As you'll have heard the UK has lifted the Covid restrictions, Germany will follow suit as its numbers are very low, Sweden has close to 0 deaths per day (despite no masks and no hard lockdowns), in the US vaccination is going well. This pandemic too, like all the previous ones, will disappear.

 

I think you missed my point.  

 

The tsunami was given as an example of how the tourism industry bounced back afterwards.  

 

As soon as the water receded, clean up could begin, the dead could be farewell, and rebuilding could start, all the while advertising Thailand is open for tourism after the tsunami.  

 

With covid, 18 months later, cases are going up here, and people are still dying.  A very different situation to the tsunami.  

 

I have a feeling covid will circulate the world, season after season, like the flu, but that's for another thread.

 

That said, yes, a time will come when the world has moved on from covid.  With 196 countries in the world, we are talking years for every country to be past covid, but the current high death rate from covid will come to an end.   

[BritManToo]

13 minutes ago, kingstonkid said:

Sex addiction and prostitution do not go hand in hand.  Most girls tht are prostitutes are very rarely sex addicts because a sex addict and the joy it brings does it for the sex prostitutes do it for the money and only care bout you the client being happy.

Completely wrong.

The first Thai (freelancer bar) girl I moved in with wanted sex 5x a day.

She said, "I want the sex anyway, men giving me money for something I would do anyway is perfect".

She almost killed me, always trying to feed me viagra, I ran away in the end.

 

Then the Filipino lady (night club door girl) I had a fling with in Barretto, part of her duties was to fetch and carry for the 'dancers', her opinion from the locker room talk, "1/3 of the girls working here do it because they like having sex with random guys". She was also a sex addict, didn't even want money from me, just wanted sex.

[Leaver]

On 8/16/2021 at 2:49 PM, NanaSomchai said:

I don't recall ever anyone building a 7+ bedrooms mansion with a king sized swimming pool, let alone build an empire or becoming the next Elon Musk or the next Jeff Bezos, by stuffing someone else's genitals in their face/in their private intimate parts for a decade or two, ever.

 

Times have changed.  

 

Sleep with a man, get paid by the hour.  Make a porn movie, get paid for each sale, years into the future.  Stream yourself online, get paid per view, and directly by the viewers.

 

In many cases, that someone else in the live stream is their boyfriend / husband. 

 

A random one from a Google search.  Top 10 earners on Only Fans.

 

https://sea.mashable.com/culture/17130/top-onlyfans-creators-can-earn-nearly-27000-more-than-doctors-survey-finds

 

Top earner on Only Fans - Over $29 million per annum.  She can easily afford the things you mention.  

 

How long before the top Thai gogo girls realise they can dance and do "a show" even from a room in their house in Issan, across 3 different time zones, for more than scrounging for lady drinks and bar fines, and having to sleep with strangers?  

 

Of interest is this final sentence below.  $180USD is around 6,000 baht.  The good gogo girls here would easily earn more than the average, most likely several times more.  A bar girl could also earn above average also. 

 

Given, they work online from their place in Issan, no rent and higher Pattaya prices to pay.  Some may be happy to raise their kids, take care of their parents and the farm, whilst bringing in 6,000 to 10,000 baht a month, possibly more.  Some may add the Thai boyfriend into the stream, or another bar girl, and make bigger money.  

 

Some may stream online from Pattaya, and then go freelancing at night.  

 

The Nightwish Group were doing something similar a while ago and were making money.  The girls will end up doing it themselves in the future and being their own boss.

 

"On average, the typical OnlyFans content creator only pulls in around US$180 per month – a far cry from the stacks of cash earned by creators such as gem101."

 

 

[Tanomazu]

1 hour ago, Leaver said:

 

I think you missed my point.  

 

The tsunami was given as an example of how the tourism industry bounced back afterwards.  

 

As soon as the water receded, clean up could begin, the dead could be farewell, and rebuilding could start, all the while advertising Thailand is open for tourism after the tsunami.  

 

With covid, 18 months later, cases are going up here, and people are still dying.  A very different situation to the tsunami.  

 

I have a feeling covid will circulate the world, season after season, like the flu, but that's for another thread.

 

That said, yes, a time will come when the world has moved on from covid.  With 196 countries in the world, we are talking years for every country to be past covid, but the current high death rate from covid will come to an end.   

No, I didn't miss your point, your point is just incorrect. It's not that different. The Tsunami cost Thailand 2-3 points in GDP, and so does Covid. The Tsunami impaired tourism for about 3 years, and so will Covid.

 

Now, of course there are differences, Covid affects the whole world, but just like the Tusnami issue, this pandemic will also come to an end. Even if it circulates from year to year, the vaccination will prevent the pandemic responses of lockdowns, which are  the real issue. We've seen the UK, wisely, climb down from that panic horse, and others will follow.

[Mr Meeseeks]

On 8/18/2021 at 4:12 PM, thaibeachlovers said:

The vast majority of Thais would never work as prostitutes, IMO.

Many 'good' or 'normal' girls certainly would do it for the money in my experience.

 

There are many millions more mia nois or giks than pros. In fact, it is part of the culture here for the males to have a bit on the side.

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

1 hour ago, BritManToo said:

Completely wrong.

The first Thai (freelancer bar) girl I moved in with wanted sex 5x a day.

She said, "I want the sex anyway, men giving me money for something I would do anyway is perfect".

She almost killed me, always trying to feed me viagra, I ran away in the end.

 

Then the Filipino lady (night club door girl) I had a fling with in Barretto, part of her duties was to fetch and carry for the 'dancers', her opinion from the locker room talk, "1/3 of the girls working here do it because they like having sex with random guys". She was also a sex addict, didn't even want money from me, just wanted sex.

It's a shame you got here too late in life to properly enjoy it.

[bang saen guy]

On 8/16/2021 at 8:58 AM, OneMoreFarang said:

I agree with the first part but not the second.

What do many Thai business if there are not enough customers and they don't make much money? They increase the prices to make more money - at least that is their idea. TiT

Using your logic, hotel prices should rise in low season and decrease in high season. Clearly not the case

[jacko45k]

14 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I've never met a little boy that claimed his goal in life was to work in an office for 60 hours a week in order to support a lazy white woman who denies him sex and bangs other guys while he's at work.

 

We all make compromises, usually white men make the most/worst more soul destroying.

Well we might add 'who becomes bitter and detestable at menopause and insists on a divorce and gets the house'!