1 minute ago, Bkk Brian said:

I think not, can you cite those experts?

if i gave you a link, you would refute it regardless of the content.  so i'm not going to bother.  sorry.

Just now, buick said:

if i gave you a link, you would refute it regardless of the content.  so i'm not going to bother.  sorry.

Great, I must remember that one, thanks

28 minutes ago, buick said:

if i gave you a link, you would refute it regardless of the content.  so i'm not going to bother.  sorry.

I would like to see the link please.

7 hours ago, DrJack54 said:

Vietnam to move ahead of Thailand at some point. Only total cumulative cases below Thailand.

Daily + and deaths move ahead of Thailand and that's with tough lockdown.

and nearly 50% greater population

51 minutes ago, James105 said:

It's really expensive.  The UK blew £37bn on test, track and trace and even with that amount of cash it is widely viewed as a waste of money that did nothing much to change the outcomes (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-trace-idUSKBN2B2009).   Maybe the UK can blow that kind of money without too many consequences, but over here I think that money (if they had it spare) could be better used to help those who have lost all of their income due to the lockdowns, or used to acquire hospital beds, ICUs etc.  

Good call. 
 

Imagine of that amount of money was wasted over here. The daily ‘corrupt government’ posters would have a field day. As it is, according to many, they can’t even buy a vaccine!

 

Wonder at times which  governments are more corrupt. 
 

 

3 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Good call. 
 

Imagine of that amount of money was wasted over here. The daily ‘corrupt government’ posters would have a field day. As it is, according to many, they can’t even buy a vaccine!

 

Wonder at times which  governments are more corrupt. 
 

 

Exactly how is it a good call, its to do with the UK? They do not have that programme over here and never will, so its completely irrelevant.

 

Contact tracing here is carried out by health volunteers and issuing timelines. 

55 minutes ago, buick said:

i agree.  i think testing programs are great very early on.  hopefully, it is possible do to the contact tracing and try to isolate areas of infection from areas that are clear of infection.  but once the virus is widespread, i don't see the necessity for mass testing.  you know where the cases are when people show up to get a test because they feel sick.  and such test comes up positive.   i think many 'experts' have suggested monitoring hospitalizations is a better metric than cases once the virus is widespread.  there may be a time when testing in thailand is helpful again, once this wave dies off and there is a need to detect where the next one takes off.

Its  ok when you have a government wiling to pay someone 80% of their wages not to go to work and have the Summer off but it’s a different situation when you are asking 70-80% of asymptomatic people who have already suffered immense hardship to stay at home and get nothing. 
 

Its a judgement call by the government and they obviously don’t see it currently as being out of control and they are the ones who have the masses to consider, not the foreigners sitting in their cozy condos drawing monthly pensions or investments who are, on the whole, not the ones suffering. 
It’s a whole different decision making process from each side.  

 

I recall at the start of all this when people were accusing the government of lying with the numbers, at the time when the country was closed and everywhere including the UK and USA were spiralling but Thailand were reporting zero cases. 
 

The argument was always along the lines of :

 

“well if there was a real problem here we would know straightaway because there would be bodies on the streets, the hospitals couldn’t cope, they couldn’t keep it off social media bla bla bla. “
 

Strangely you don’t hear that argument too much these days. I guess it changes with the agenda. 
 

Nowadays you have to rely on individual reports of an ambulance with its siren on heading towards a hospital to get all excited. 
 

Thank goodness that’s all we hear about at this time. 

1 hour ago, James105 said:

Maybe the UK can blow that kind of money without too many consequences, but over here I think that money (if they had it spare) could be better used to help those who have lost all of their income due to the lockdowns, or used to acquire hospital beds, ICUs etc.  

 

No I think many temples are in need of a refurbishment and the airforce and navy always need subs and new aircraft plus their has to be plenty in the pot for the annual allowances etc, so not much available for the people.

56 minutes ago, Kadilo said:

Its  ok when you have a government wiling to pay someone 80% of their wages not to go to work and have the Summer off but it’s a different situation when you are asking 70-80% of asymptomatic people who have already suffered immense hardship to stay at home and get nothing. 
 

Its a judgement call by the government and they obviously don’t see it currently as being out of control and they are the ones who have the masses to consider, not the foreigners sitting in their cozy condos drawing monthly pensions or investments who are, on the whole, not the ones suffering. 
It’s a whole different decision making process from each side.  

 

I recall at the start of all this when people were accusing the government of lying with the numbers, at the time when the country was closed and everywhere including the UK and USA were spiralling but Thailand were reporting zero cases. 
 

The argument was always along the lines of :

 

“well if there was a real problem here we would know straightaway because there would be bodies on the streets, the hospitals couldn’t cope, they couldn’t keep it off social media bla bla bla. “
 

Strangely you don’t hear that argument too much these days. I guess it changes with the agenda. 
 

Nowadays you have to rely on individual reports of an ambulance with its siren on heading towards a hospital to get all excited. 
 

Thank goodness that’s all we hear about at this time. 

I was trying to find out what your response had to do with “ramping up testing” but I came to the only conclusion left which was that you decided to throw everything at the wall to see what sticks. 
 

However I do indorse the fact and am in agreement with your assessment on the governments continued mismanagement of the situation.

1 hour ago, Kadilo said:

Its  ok when you have a government wiling to pay someone 80% of their wages not to go to work and have the Summer off but it’s a different situation when you are asking 70-80% of asymptomatic people who have already suffered immense hardship to stay at home and get nothing. 
 

Its a judgement call by the government and they obviously don’t see it currently as being out of control and they are the ones who have the masses to consider, not the foreigners sitting in their cozy condos drawing monthly pensions or investments who are, on the whole, not the ones suffering. 
It’s a whole different decision making process from each side.  

 

I recall at the start of all this when people were accusing the government of lying with the numbers, at the time when the country was closed and everywhere including the UK and USA were spiralling but Thailand were reporting zero cases. 
 

The argument was always along the lines of :

 

“well if there was a real problem here we would know straightaway because there would be bodies on the streets, the hospitals couldn’t cope, they couldn’t keep it off social media bla bla bla. “
 

Strangely you don’t hear that argument too much these days. I guess it changes with the agenda. 
 

Nowadays you have to rely on individual reports of an ambulance with its siren on heading towards a hospital to get all excited. 
 

Thank goodness that’s all we hear about at this time. 

 

A self-proclaimed man of the people who wants to unleash a deadly virus on even more people by removing all restrictions.

 

2 hours ago, James105 said:

It's really expensive.  The UK blew £37bn on test, track and trace and even with that amount of cash it is widely viewed as a waste of money that did nothing much to change the outcomes (https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-health-coronavirus-britain-trace-idUSKBN2B2009).   Maybe the UK can blow that kind of money without too many consequences, but over here I think that money (if they had it spare) could be better used to help those who have lost all of their income due to the lockdowns, or used to acquire hospital beds, ICUs etc.  

a lot of that $37bn was spent on payments to people who had to isolate due to contact with the infected. Do you think those people should not have been in isolation, ie allowed to walk around, or should they not have received compensation?

Thailand confirms first case of VITT linked to AZ jab

 

Thailand found one confirmed case of vaccine-induced thrombosis and thrombocytopenia (VITT) caused by the AstraZeneca shot, after more than 15 million doses have been administered, the Ministry of Public Health said on Wednesday.

 

There was also one confirmed case of heart inflammation linked to the Pfizer jab, they said.

 

https://www.thaienquirer.com/32412/thailand-confirms-first-case-of-vitt-linked-to-az-jab/

Thailand records 20% infection rate among those tested for COVID in past 40 days

The Thai Medical Sciences Department has reported a 20% COVID-19 infection rate among people undergoing tests in the past 40 plus days.

 

Of 40,007 people tested on September 4th, at 288 of the 375 authorised laboratories across the country, 8,804 tested positive, representing an infection rate of 22%.

 

From January 1st to September 4th, 12,575,261 people were tested and 1,026,043 were found to be infected, said the department.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-records-20-infection-rate-among-those-tested-for-covid-in-past-40-days/

 

1 hour ago, Danderman123 said:

a lot of that $37bn was spent on payments to people who had to isolate due to contact with the infected. Do you think those people should not have been in isolation, ie allowed to walk around, or should they not have received compensation?

It’s £ and not $.   Most was spent on testing.   It has not all been spent (yet).   None of it was spent on paying people to isolate.   

 

https://fullfact.org/online/37bn-test-trace-spending/

4 hours ago, buick said:

i agree.  i think testing programs are great very early on.  hopefully, it is possible do to the contact tracing and try to isolate areas of infection from areas that are clear of infection.  but once the virus is widespread, i don't see the necessity for mass testing.  you know where the cases are when people show up to get a test because they feel sick.  and such test comes up positive.   i think many 'experts' have suggested monitoring hospitalizations is a better metric than cases once the virus is widespread.  there may be a time when testing in thailand is helpful again, once this wave dies off and there is a need to detect where the next one takes off.

So the WHO rhetoric of 'test,test,test' , and if your getting above 3-5% positivity from test you need to test more, is totally wrong then? Idea of random/mass testing is to spot an outbreak before it gets out of hand. By the time people are turning up at hospitals the outbreak/cluster is well established as it could have been ongoing for a week or more, plenty of time for many to get infected from one case.

1 hour ago, anchadian said:

Thailand records 20% infection rate among those tested for COVID in past 40 days

The Thai Medical Sciences Department has reported a 20% COVID-19 infection rate among people undergoing tests in the past 40 plus days.

 

Of 40,007 people tested on September 4th, at 288 of the 375 authorised laboratories across the country, 8,804 tested positive, representing an infection rate of 22%.

 

From January 1st to September 4th, 12,575,261 people were tested and 1,026,043 were found to be infected, said the department.

 

https://www.thaipbsworld.com/thailand-records-20-infection-rate-among-those-tested-for-covid-in-past-40-days/

 

So for the year 2021 so far an 8% positive rate. Going by the WHO 5% threshold for adequate testing more needed as Dander would say.

1 hour ago, James105 said:

It’s £ and not $.   Most was spent on testing.   It has not all been spent (yet).   None of it was spent on paying people to isolate.   

 

https://fullfact.org/online/37bn-test-trace-spending/

And 50,000 employees, where as Thailand uses its health volunteers

Foreign Ministry denies being lax in procuring jabs from other countries

 

The Foreign Ministry on Wednesday dismissed accusations that it has refused to cooperate with other countries to procure Covid-19 vaccines.

 

He gave the example of Thailand's recent vaccine swap with Singapore, similar to the deal done earlier with Bhutan.

 

"Singapore was willing to deliver 120,000 doses of AstraZeneca vaccine in return for Thailand's donation of RT-PCR test kits at the beginning of Covid-19 crisis," he explained.

 

https://www.nationthailand.com/in-focus/40005879

Baiting posts reported and removed.  

 

16 hours ago, Neeranam said:

What's the point? 

 

 

!00% agree - testing to prove what is already known is a waste of $$. Focus on getting the vaccine rolled out (old/sick first  to reduce hospitalisations/deaths), then get the country open. Time to follow the world and live with Covid. This could have already been accomplished if the dipsticks had joined covax etc.

25 minutes ago, Scrotobike said:

!00% agree - testing to prove what is already known is a waste of $$. Focus on getting the vaccine rolled out (old/sick first  to reduce hospitalisations/deaths), then get the country open. Time to follow the world and live with Covid. This could have already been accomplished if the dipsticks had joined covax etc.

True , but they far from alone in this case ( not the covax program , but the general covid programs ) . Anybody with a single braincel does know that this is soo widespread that basic testing solves nothing , we are all going to get it . So , everybody should get a vaccine ( mandatory imho ), so that the hospitals do not get overrun ( the big problem with covid ) and try to follow up on the spread/mutations . As long as hospital beds are being filled with covid patients , we are in high rules country ( not only Thailand ) .

Some more baiting/stalking posts have been removed.

3 hours ago, Scrotobike said:

!00% agree - testing to prove what is already known is a waste of $$. Focus on getting the vaccine rolled out (old/sick first  to reduce hospitalisations/deaths), then get the country open. Time to follow the world and live with Covid. This could have already been accomplished if the dipsticks had joined covax etc.

Agree with the dipsticks but without ramped out testing its possible for the virus to brew silently especially with the easing of restrictions, if thats not monitored well then we're back to square one, lockdowns, nobody wants that to happen again.

Thailand reports 16,031 COVID-19 cases, 220 deaths

 

File photo: REUTERS/Soe Zeya Tun

 

Thailand on Thursday (September 9) reported 16,031 new COVID-19 cases, 15,417 recoveries and 220 additional deaths over the past 24 hours.

 

Full story: https://aseannow.com/topic/1230836-thailand-reports-16031-covid-19-cases-220-deaths/

 

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