SURVEY: Wasuthon--Stay in Denmark or return him to Thailand?

[Scott]

Ten-year-old Wasuthon Nielsen also called “Guide” came to Denmark from Thailand three years ago after his adoptive mother brought him with her to her Danish hometown of Taulov, where she lives with her Danish husband. Now the Danish authorities have decided to deport Wasuthon back to Thailand.

 

In your opinion is this the right decision or a huge miscarriage of justice?

 

Please feel free to leave a comment.

 

For further reading:

https://aseannow.com/topic/1231162-wasuthon-is-being-deported-back-to-thailand-by-danish-authorities/

 

https://scandasia.com/wasuthon-is-being-deported-back-to-thailand-by-danish-authorities/

 

[bkkcanuck8]

This is a hard one for me...  If there is anyone to punish it is the adoptive mother for violating immigration laws.  I don't feel punishing the child who was brought to Denmark who cannot legally make decisions for himself.  He also has lived there for 3 years, made friends, gone to school (basically a third of his life - and most of is memory)... and punishing him for someone else's malfeasance is wrong.  If there is someone to punish, find a way to punish the one who violated the law -- without punishing the child.

Edited September 12, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[pegman]

9 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

This is a hard one for me...  If there is anyone to punish it is the adoptive mother for violating immigration laws.  I don't feel punishing the child who was brought to Denmark who cannot legally make decisions for himself.  He also has lived there for 3 years, made friends, gone to school (basically a third of his life - and most of is memory)... and punishing him for someone else's malfeasance is wrong.  If there is someone to punish, find a way to punish the one who violated the law -- without punishing the child.

You come across as a unusually cold hearted Canuck. I say the boy should remain n Denmark. If not here in Canada we have plenty of space for the family. Come join the melting pot. 

[bkkcanuck8]

4 minutes ago, pegman said:

You come across as a unusually cold hearted Canuck. I say the boy should remain n Denmark. If not here in Canada we have plenty of space for the family. Come join the melting pot. 

You have problem reading english and understanding that I am saying deporting him is wrong

 

"If there is someone to punish, find a way to punish the one who violated the law -- without punishing the child. "

Edited September 12, 2021 by bkkcanuck8

[pegman]

4 minutes ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

You have problem reading english and understanding that I am saying deporting him is wrong

 

"If there is someone to punish, find a way to punish the one who violated the law -- without punishing the child. "

Don't you think if the mother is punished (deported) the boy is forced to leave too? 

[Pravda]

 

6 minutes ago, pegman said:

Don't you think if the mother is punished (deported) the boy is forced to leave too? 

 

Are you going back to Canada?

[Rampant Rabbit]

Ask the Thai govt what they would do if this was happening in Thailand

[pegman]

48 minutes ago, Pravda said:

 

 

Are you going back to Canada?

I'm there now waiting the situation out. 

[Misterwhisper]

The boy seems well integrated. He also didn't make the decision himself to migrate to Denmark. His aunt made that decision for him, and she's the one who made mistakes in the adoption process. The boy shouldn't be punished because of his aunt's errors.

 

There certainly are scores of other migrants who are stubbornly unwilling to integrate and would be more deserving of being deported than this 10-year-old boy. Some parts of Copenhagen nowadays look and feel like seedy, filthy urban neighborhoods straight out of the Middle East or Northern Africa -- with all the negative connotations.

 

Luckily, Denmark has taken the wise resolve of closing its borders to uncontrolled migration, a move that many other European nations should follow suit.  

[bdenner]

If the boy is happy and well treated, as he appears to be, leave him there. Is anyone in Thailand requesting his return?

Me, as a ten year old, having to make a choice between an Aunt or my Grumpy Olde grand parents (in my case) to live with = there is no choice.

[Scouse123]

Allowing this to slide sends out the wrong message for those that think they can break the law and garner public sympathy to break the law without consequences.

 

This is what we get in the UK in a different form, with kids coming to the UK as unaccompanied minors and assisted by smart and fast lawyers who know the loopholes, only then months later for the parents to magically reappear and take the UK to the ECHR, accusing the UK of depriving a person their rights to a stable family life etc etc

 

She knew what she was doing and knew it was wrong and when they get caught they cry foul, try emotional blackmail and play the victim.

 

How would Thailand react if the situation was reversed?

 

I don't care if the Canadian poster wishes to call me cold hearted.

[connda]

3 hours ago, bkkcanuck8 said:

This is a hard one for me...  If there is anyone to punish it is the adoptive mother for violating immigration laws. 

If the shoe was on the other foot, how would Thai immigration act?

There's your answer.

[Scott Tracy]

From what I read, the adoption is legal in Thailand, but not in Denmark. Harsh from the Danish authorities, in my opinion. Who do they think is his guardian under Danish law? His biological mother? His grandparents? Under Thai law, his aunt is his mother.

 

Imagine, if you will, a marriage taken place in Thailand, not recognised elsewhere. No legal recourse. This is the same. Pick and choose what to recognise. Oh no, the adoption is not legal in Denmark, off you go. As far as I can see, the aunt violated no Thai law when she adopted the boy. She may not have been aware that the Danish authorities did not recognise the adoption, until he arrived in Denmark and was refused entry. Why was he not refused entry? Why doesn't the Danish husband adopt the boy under Danish law?

[kingstonkid]

42 minutes ago, Scouse123 said:

Allowing this to slide sends out the wrong message for those that think they can break the law and garner public sympathy to break the law without consequences.

 

This is what we get in the UK in a different form, with kids coming to the UK as unaccompanied minors and assisted by smart and fast lawyers who know the loopholes, only then months later for the parents to magically reappear and take the UK to the ECHR, accusing the UK of depriving a person their rights to a stable family life etc etc

 

She knew what she was doing and knew it was wrong and when they get caught they cry foul, try emotional blackmail and play the victim.

 

How would Thailand react if the situation was reversed?

 

I don't care if the Canadian poster wishes to call me cold hearted.

I think that you are reading this wrong.  The way I read it both the Dane and the Thaqi lady did not see themselves as doing anything wrong.  

The lady was already his adopted mother.

She married a Dane

they decided to live in Denmark thinking that he could adopt Guide if he liked it there.

 

In all actuality it makes sense to me.

You have a child that wants to learn appreciates what he has been given and a loving mother and father that are working, paying taxes and ot a burden to the community.

[rudi49jr]

1 hour ago, Scouse123 said:

I don't care if the Canadian poster wishes to call me cold hearted.

The Canadian poster may not be the only one.

[Virt]

Dane here and i say let him stay.

Rules are rules and we have the strict rules in Denmark for a reason, but that does not mean it's not possible to find a solution in this case.

 

Maybe some official adopting can be looked into so it's the danish guy that adopt him?

No idea, but the story is in several newspapers, so maybe it end well for the family after all.

 

It's not the first time a Thai national hit the mainstream news here.

We had a case a few years back when a thai girl Atcharapan "Mint" Yuangyai was deported and it caused a lot of headlines, so a year later the Parliament changed the rules so 83 foreign kids could get/reapply for family reunification in Denmark. As far as i know she is back in Denmark now.

[drenddy]

If the boy wants following :

 

 - getting drunk every weekend ( or taking drugs, as Taulov is near Fredericia, where drugs are easily available and drug use, as well alcohol, is rampant among teenagers in Denmark)

 - totally brainwashed by Jante's law

 - walking around with socks in sandals

 - complete disregard to other cultures,

 - believe that Denmark is the center of the Universe

 

 Then let him stay here.

 

 If the boy maintains his thai soul, I predict a (very ) difficult transition for him here.

 

 There is though a litte thai shop in Vejle(near Taulov), where mom can buy groceries to make somtam.

Edited September 12, 2021 by drenddy

[DBath]

Give the poor kid a break - some of you are being too rigid...the Danish gov't need to make an exception or tweak their archaic policy.

 

Anyway, the people have spoken and it's even a decent sample size at latest count (44 to 5): YOU LOSE!

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

Ask the Thai govt what they would do if this was happening in Thailand

The Thai government are mostly Military Academy educated soldiers who would not have the brains to know what is best involving a kid in this situation. If any of them was asked, they would just toss a coin to give an answer.

[DBath]

2 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

The Canadian poster may not be the only one.

It appears the overwhelming majority of those who participated in the survey would support your claim.

[Bluespunk]

4 hours ago, connda said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, how would Thai immigration act?

There's your answer.

No, that's just another question.

[rudi49jr]

4 hours ago, connda said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, how would Thai immigration act?

There's your answer.

How Thai immigration would react if the shoe were on the other foot is totally irrelevant.

[geisha]

To deport the child is a horrible act of cruelty, nothing less. The lady is his mother, legally adopted . A mistake was probably innocently made on entering Denmark or before at an embassy in Thailand. 
Important now, is that common sense takes over, and sorts this out . 

[Scott]

Racially tinged troll post removed.  

[bkkcanuck8]

12 hours ago, connda said:

If the shoe was on the other foot, how would Thai immigration act?

There's your answer.

They would ask the mother for a contribution to their retirement fund... are you saying Denmark should do the same?

[Rampant Rabbit]

16 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

The Canadian poster may not be the only one.

But not everyone

[Scouse123]

22 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

The Canadian poster may not be the only one.

Yeah,

 

And people should not be allowed to pick and choose the laws they wish to obey.

 

A common trait in Thai society.

[Scouse123]

20 hours ago, DBath said:

It appears the overwhelming majority of those who participated in the survey would support your claim.

Well luckily TVF don't decide Denmark's immigration policy and which laws to follow and which to ignore otherwise there would be no rules of law and everybody would claim their case to be an exception.

 

20 hours ago, DBath said:

Give the poor kid a break - some of you are being too rigid...the Danish gov't need to make an exception or tweak their archaic policy.

 

Anyway, the people have spoken and it's even a decent sample size at latest count (44 to 5): YOU LOSE!

 

We don't lose anything, Danish law wins and your loaded poll is irrelevant.

 

[Neeranam]

I think the kids should not be allowed to stay in Denmark.

From what I read, it sounds like the family in Thailand want him to go to Denmark to get a better life, like millions of people from developing countries. 

It's not his mother, it's his aunt, who is a cleaner! 

Thais in Denmark are already milking the system; it's enough some unqualified woman marrying a Dane, but to let some relative sponge of them as well is wrong. I am Thai btw, and it was extremely difficult for me to get citizenship. Denmark should reciprocate.

My friend married a Dane and moved to Thailand. After a couple of years, they decided to move back to Thailand and the Danish government gave them 500k baht of tax payers' money(in Danish money)  for relocation. 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited September 13, 2021 by Neeranam

[Scouse123]

23 hours ago, Scott Tracy said:

From what I read, the adoption is legal in Thailand, but not in Denmark. Harsh from the Danish authorities, in my opinion. Who do they think is his guardian under Danish law? His biological mother? His grandparents? Under Thai law, his aunt is his mother.

 

Imagine, if you will, a marriage taken place in Thailand, not recognised elsewhere. No legal recourse. This is the same. Pick and choose what to recognise. Oh no, the adoption is not legal in Denmark, off you go. As far as I can see, the aunt violated no Thai law when she adopted the boy. She may not have been aware that the Danish authorities did not recognise the adoption, until he arrived in Denmark and was refused entry. Why was he not refused entry? Why doesn't the Danish husband adopt the boy under Danish law?

There are plenty of practices in Thailand that are not recognized outside their country as being legal in other countries. You only have to look at Thai wedding ceremonies etc.

 

All those advocating on here to let him in to Denmark are giving no respect to Danish law. 

 

Yet as soon as a foreigner breaks Thai laws, the ' hang em high ' brigade on this very forum show their true colours by screaming ' Deport him '  for the slightest infraction of Thai laws or ' We are guests in their country, we should follow their laws ' that's another favorite on here.

 

Yet here we have a clear cut case of not meeting the criteria, (he has been through the appeals procedures and they have given their reasons for refusal), for permission to stay long term in a country which is run by a Western , fair democratic, law abiding country and now TVF members want the rule book thrown away and exceptions granted.

 

It doesn't work that way.