Thai Court rejects dual pricing case from expat in Hua Hin

[jonclark]

10 hours ago, Neeranam said:

@VBF

Section 27 is under Chapter 3 -  Rights and Liberties of Thai People

 

I repeat, the Thai Constitution is not for foreigners. 

 

So if as you keep saying and believe that any reference to " all people, persons"  etc is explicitly directed at Thai people only..as the constitution only covers Thai people. One can assume by logical extension that where the constitution states "No person or people" it is meaning No Thai person. Correct?

 

Section 6 which covers his majesty the king states " No person shall expose the king to any sort of accustaion or action" 

 

Using your interpretation as detailed obove. This leaves a rather vacumous hole that means the king according to the constitution could be accused by a non Thai. As no person explicitly according to you means no Thai person. 

 

No government in it right mind would create a constitution that creates this problem. The only logical conclusion therefore must be that "no person," and by extension it's opposite "all people" must refer to and include non Thais who live in Thailand. 

[Dazauz]

I am 100% with everyone, we just had fights on here for the that posted for 47 bhat. Again I'll say the same thing it's about principal. Go into a national park lol we pay more, go here go there we pay more.. Few extra bhat I can understand but it's becoming the norm for farang to pay more and more. This guy in my eyes is great. He stood up. We also pay more fore insurance at the end of the day the insurance pays. That just makes eventually our insurance more expensive. Why are we not treated as locals. Pay tax, heath insurance etc etc I spend like a Thai. Seems these days it's not a fair system for us. Don't get me wrong I live Thailand but it's the people I love ok little food as well. The problem is the government has forgotten we still and will continue to contribute to community and the economy. 

My 2 cents

[4MyEgo]

1 hour ago, chrissables said:

I'm not sure how insurance will stop stop you worrying about the 10 fold increase for us at National Parks, and many of the other places that try it on including some restaurants.

 

How much is this insurance? I will do some math and work out if i should buy it.

I avoid any place/s that charges more than what a Thai pays, I can live without that BS.

 

As for insurance, we all have to accept that we are not on their system, like they wouldn't be on our system back home and would have to pay, regardless is they are such imbeciles that they cannot see charging more than Thai's is wrong, might have to do with them not having been outside their country ? 

 

That said, if one goes to a private hospital, one pays private hospital prices, which would basically be the same as going to a private hospital back home, public charge less, it's a business and the government back home only pays what it deems is the norm and you have to pay the difference.

 

I have been to public hospitals here, I have paid more than Thai's, but it still is cheaper, much much cheaper than it would be back home, private on the other hand are expensive, but still much cheaper than back home, i.e. I pay for outpatient, casual visit to see a Dr, or a specialist, drugs, x-rays and the like are also more expensive than in a public hospital here, you want 5 star then you pay for it, you want 2 star, then you pay for it, there is a clear difference.

 

Private emergency insurance is not cheap, mine also covers me for elective surgery and overseas in my home country for 90 days and 4 neighbouring countries (zone 4) for example, you can increase the zones (countries) you are covered in, but naturally your cost of the policy goes up.

 

I am 61 and pay around 10,000 baht a month, no deductible's or excess to be paid if I have a claim and my cover is for 1.2 mil USD or 40,000,000 baht.  

 

It's not cheap if you are on a pension, but I wouldn't live here on a pension, as I wouldn't be able to afford private cover, like I said, you get what you pay for and I have seen a couple of blokes pay out over 2 million for emergencies, fortunately for them, they had insurance, alternatively they would go to a public hospital and pay less, probably half ?

 

AA Insurance brokers here in Thailand can give you an XLS spread sheet with all the different insurers and their costs and covers and also recommend one for you.

 

No insurance, no cover = potential huge dip in your savings, i.e. if you have any.

[ttrd]

18 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

No expat can ever expect justice from a Thai court. He should have been smart enough to realize this.

In Thailand, you will get exactly the amount of "justice" that you can BUY!!!!!

RE: In Thailand, you will get exactly the amount of "justice" that you can BUY!!!!!

 

* Yeap, and even the justice it self is dual priced so with that in mind it should not be a surprise that the court rejected the dual pricing case .... 

[rayonger]

Great advertisement for the medical tourism industry .... 

[Keesters]

15 hours ago, pedro01 said:

Any employers here pay Thai people the same salary they would pay someone back in their home country? 

 

Nope - thought not.

Companies pay people what they are worth. Thais companies charge what they think they can get away with. 

[1FinickyOne]

18 hours ago, khunPer said:

If the balance is right - i.e. minor or acceptable surcharge - then almost nobody would complain.

First part is correct, there should be a reasonable surcharge for needing extra attention... and translation... 

 

The idea that nobody would complain?? People on this forum talk about throwing a hissy over 20 baht dual pricing at a National Park... [In USA there is plenty of dual pricing that goes on, even w/residents of different states or counties having to pay more for everything from golf to education] 

[DUNROAMIN]

14 hours ago, Neeranam said:

I don't believe anyone named their kid that. 

If you didnt watch tv in the 70s you wont understand.

[oslooskar]

3 hours ago, Rampant Rabbit said:

must  have been  interesting?

I was traveling in Thailand in 1964, and again in 1965, and again in 1966 and it was paradise. It was also much, much, much, cheaper. In those days there were approximately 20 baht to the U.S. dollar. And a room at the old "Thai Song Greet Hotel" in Bangkok was only twenty baht a night. Also, the scenery was really beautiful and not covered with litter.

[Rampant Rabbit]

35 minutes ago, DUNROAMIN said:

If you didnt watch tv in the 70s you wont understand.

you  had  a  tv  in the 70's......talk  about silver  spoon????

[Rampant Rabbit]

Just now, oslooskar said:

I was traveling in Thailand in 1964, and again in 1965, and again in 1966 and it was paradise. It was also much, much, much, cheaper. In those days there were approximately 20 baht to the U.S. dollar. And a room at the old "Thai Song Greet Hotel" in Bangkok was only twenty baht a night. Also, the scenery was really beautiful and not covered with litter.

Youre a  lucky gut to  have seen it  all then before the excessive greed  took  over. Always  reckoned the best time to travel was  mid 50's  to mid  60's,  of  course few  could  afford it  back then making it much  better.

[NoshowJones]

20 hours ago, 4MyEgo said:

Don't say I didn't tell you this would be the outcome.

Was there any farang who really though it wouldn't?

[NoshowJones]

I had an example of Thai justice not long after I moved to Thailand to stay. Long story short here. I was up in a Thai court, nothing criminal, the judge ruled in my favour, my lawyer did well for me, and my case was to be sorted out in two or three weeks.

About two weeks later, my lawyer phoned me and said that the Judge had now changed her mind as she did not believe my statement.

That was my introduction to Thai justice.

[MRToMRT]

21 hours ago, webfact said:

Mr Buse described this as unconstitutional in his suit.

Does anyone know what part of the constitution was referred to in the suit? The judge will have ruled on law, so even if we don't agree with the sentiment we should know what actual law is being adjudged. 

[scubascuba3]

If they can dual price for healthcare why not dual price buying a car, motorbike, lazada, shopee, same logic i.e. thai logic aka nonsense.

 

I hope he appeals

[MRToMRT]

4 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

Does anyone know what part of the constitution was referred to in the suit? The judge will have ruled on law, so even if we don't agree with the sentiment we should know what actual law is being adjudged. 

I read it myself its probably section 27 ......

 

 

Section 27. All persons are equal before the law, and shall have rights and liberties and be protected equally under the law.

Men and women shall enjoy equal rights.

Unjust discrimination against a person on the grounds of differences in origin, race, language, sex, age, disability, physical or health condition, personal status, economic and social standing, religious belief, education, or political view which is not contrary to the provisions of the Constitution, or on any other grounds shall not be permitted.

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, Neeranam said:

Interesting point. Special staff have to be hired for foreigners who can't speak Thai. Not sure I agree with it. 

 

Local discount happens everywhere, not just Thailand. 

3 years ago, I played golf with my brother in law, who is a member at Royal Melbourne golf club. I was charged 5,000 baht more than another guest from Sydney. 

I was also charged more than locals at Disneyworld. 

I was also charged more at a golf club in Scotland, despite being Scottish. They said I had to show I was a resident in the area. 

"I was also charged more than locals at Disneyworld." I do believe everything Neeranam has said, but I have been at both Disneyworlds in Paris and at Anaheim in California, and was charged the same as everyone else.

I do however, believe that dual pricing goes on all over the world, but in saying that, I have travelled over most of America on different occasions, been at many tourist attractions, and have never came across any dual pricing at all.

In saying that yes, I have come up against dual pricing in Thailand.

 

[MRToMRT]

So I assume the question is does a variable rate card break a "LAW". Its very dodgy ground legally. Wrong but legally speaking dodgy to judge.

[Keesters]

3 minutes ago, MRToMRT said:

I read it myself its probably section 27 ......

 

 

Section 27. All persons are equal before the law, and shall have rights and liberties and be protected equally under the law.

Men and women shall enjoy equal rights.

Unjust discrimination against a person on the grounds of differences in origin, race, language, sex, age, disability, physical or health condition, personal status, economic and social standing, religious belief, education, or political view which is not contrary to the provisions of the Constitution, or on any other grounds shall not be permitted.

That's how I've always seen it WORLDWIDE. 

 

Some however choose to ignore some or all of it for selfish reasons. 

[4MyEgo]

52 minutes ago, possum1931 said:

Was there any farang who really though it wouldn't?

I think judging by a lot of the comments here, there were.

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, AhFarangJa said:

Surprised, I am not. Thai racism goes all the way to the top, and they have just proved it. I sincerely hope this gets International coverage, see what that does to the TAT dream numbers.

About the only people who will still want to come to Thailand for holidays will be the sex tourists.

Just before the pandemic, if you walked down lower Sukhumvit at night between Nana and Soi Cowboy, you would hardly see any westerners, then again go into Soi 4 and Soi Cowboy, you would see plenty.

[NoshowJones]

19 hours ago, samtam said:

There is already dual pricing for hotels/holiday packages, when these are given out on an ad hoc basis. The vaccine rollout to foreigners has been the supreme example of the lack of human rights to residents of Thailand. It has been an exercise in great humiliation, which is an important reminder, so that one never relaxes and feels welcome in this country because of its systemic xenophobia.

 

 

Yes, as you say with examples and clarity, in Thailand. In other countries humans encompass all flavours, and are accorded human rights.

 

 

And in 2. get slapped with a defamation suit.

 

 

19 hours ago, samtam said:

There is already dual pricing for hotels/holiday packages, when these are given out on an ad hoc basis. The vaccine rollout to foreigners has been the supreme example of the lack of human rights to residents of Thailand. It has been an exercise in great humiliation, which is an important reminder, so that one never relaxes and feels welcome in this country because of its systemic xenophobia.

 

 

Yes, as you say with examples and clarity, in Thailand. In other countries humans encompass all flavours, and are accorded human rights.

 

 

And in 2. get slapped with a defamation suit.

"Exposé all Bad experience in social Media."  Wait until you are back in your home country, do the business, and then let them try and slap you with a defamation suit.

[LongTimeLurker]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

According to press reports the court said that it did not see the dual pricing as discriminatory suggesting the higher rates charged to foreigners who could pay more were good for the nation.

He's a judge and he doesn't realise what he just said is discriminatory???

 

Who says foreigners are able to pay more? I know many Thais much richer than I'll ever be, but they will get lower hospital bills!

[smutcakes]

22 hours ago, ezzra said:

Anyone who have been in this country longer than one day know that foreigners are being discriminated when it comes to many things in Thailand's everyday life, when such ugly practice will stop no one knows but this is one of downfall of living in this country and as long as Thai people don't really care to correct it, it shall remain so, like the other day our condo organised a Covid ATK test to all the unit owners and tenants, Thai for free forthrightness pays 600 baht... 

If this is how it sounds then it is far worse than anything else. If the Condo has used juristic funds, funds which all owners pay into foreign and Thai and then done what you say that is outrageous.

[Neeranam]

22 hours ago, webfact said:

According to press reports the court said that it did not see the dual pricing as discriminatory suggesting the higher rates charged to foreigners who could pay more were good for the nation.

I'd like to see these press reports. 

Also, who suggested foreigners could pay more - the court or the press reports? 

Th court would never say this, something is wrong here. 

[Freddy42OZ]

22 hours ago, Nickelbeer said:

No expat can ever expect justice from a Thai court. He should have been smart enough to realize this.

In Thailand, you will get exactly the amount of "justice" that you can BUY!!!!!

It's an exaggeration to say that no expat can ever expect justice in a Thai court. 

There are loads of examples of expats getting very favourable outcomes in Thai courts. 



 

[Nickelbeer]

10 minutes ago, Freddy42OZ said:

It's an exaggeration to say that no expat can ever expect justice in a Thai court. 

There are loads of examples of expats getting very favourable outcomes in Thai courts. 



 

None so blind as those who will not see.

[Freddy42OZ]

1 minute ago, Nickelbeer said:

None so blind as those who will not see.

 

And your rather obtuse point is?

[Nickelbeer]

1 minute ago, Freddy42OZ said:

 

And your rather obtuse point is?

Obtuse only in your narrow mode of thought. Anyone who thinks that Thai institutions are fair and equitable, does not live in the real world.  They are broken beyond repair.

[Neeranam]

23 hours ago, webfact said:

Mr Erwin Buse from the Netherlands

A newspapers says that this guy works as a goat herder in Hua Hin. I wonder if that is on the list of jobs foreigners can do?