EV push to accelerate Thailand’s efforts against climate change

[webfact]

 

Thailand is betting on a future driven by electric vehicles (EVs), while big businesses have laid out ambitious plans to become carbon neutral in the next couple of decades.

 

The Thai government is expected to announce a new incentives package by the end of this year or early next year to promote electric vehicles.

 

The move is part of Thailand’s efforts to reduce greenhouse gas emissions. Global warming will be firmly on the agenda of world leaders when they meet at the UN Climate Change Conference (COP26) in Glasgow, Britain, from October 31 to November 12.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/ev-push-to-accelerate-thailands-efforts-against-climate-change/

 

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[Geoffggi]

They first better get a good infrastructure plan in place, it will not just be a case of extension cables all over the place plus the power supply needed to provide the required services.

[tingtongfarang]

they are dreaming, most dont have a supply at the parking place...if the have a regular parking place that is, also i do not believe the infrastructure could handle many evs

[damascase]

‘A future driven.by EV’s’ - but spoiled by the emissions during the burning season.

[trainman34014]

Can just imagine all the Snorting Crew Cab, Bull Bar fitted Pick-Up Drivers refusing to buy more sensible Electric Cars.  No wonder they have said they will be 'Emission Free' by 2065; more like 2165 methinks !

[alien365]

1 hour ago, trainman34014 said:

Can just imagine all the Snorting Crew Cab, Bull Bar fitted Pick-Up Drivers refusing to buy more sensible Electric Cars.  No wonder they have said they will be 'Emission Free' by 2065; more like 2165 methinks !

Once they start getting left for dead at the traffic lights by EVs I expect they'll soon start changing to EV pickups when they become available. 

[johnmcc6]

What climate change? It is a natural cycle happening many times over millions of years.

[johng]

11 hours ago, webfact said:

The Thai government is expected to announce a new incentives package by the end of this year or early next year to promote electric vehicles.

???? The "promotion" will be to increase taxes on ( dirty foreign) EV to 1000%  whilst trying to totally re-invent the wheel   with "Thai  technology" ????

[rickudon]

7 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:

What climate change? It is a natural cycle happening many times over millions of years.

Oh dear! Didn't think there were many denialist dinosaurs left...... Do some proper research.

[Kinnock]

Do EV's help with climate change?

 

I guess they can help reduce local air pollution in major cities, but they still need fossil fuels to make the electricity, and manufacture of a new EV is energy intensive, plus disposal of those batteries safely is a challenge.

 

Not buying a new electric car and keeping your old banger on the road is a more environmentally friendly option, but no profit in that plan.

 

[mistral53]

6 minutes ago, Kinnock said:

Do EV's help with climate change?

 

I guess they can help reduce local air pollution in major cities, but they still need fossil fuels to make the electricity, and manufacture of a new EV is energy intensive, plus disposal of those batteries safely is a challenge.

 

Not buying a new electric car and keeping your old banger on the road is a more environmentally friendly option, but no profit in that plan.

 

For my PHEV, I have solar panels on the roof, been to the gas station only once this year vs. twice monthly for the ICE I replaced it for.

 

As for the naysayers, I am pretty sure the same categorically false claims were made by the horsemen operating wagons when the first automobiles showed up in the streets.

 

[placeholder]

7 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:

What climate change? It is a natural cycle happening many times over millions of years.

False. The problem with this kind of assertion is that it takes no account of rate of increase. It's like saying you don't care if your money earns 1% interest or 10% interest, just so long as it's increasing.

[spud1]

47 minutes ago, rickudon said:

Oh dear! Didn't think there were many denialist dinosaurs left...... Do some proper research.

Seems you have been assimilated.The Borg would be proud.

[Bluespunk]

8 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:

What climate change? It is a natural cycle happening many times over millions of years.

Oh dear, are people still peddling that line…

 

“Despite the clear scientific consensus, a veritable brigade of self-proclaimed, underinformed armchair experts lurk on comment threads the world over, eager to pour scorn on climate science. Barrages of ad hominem attacks all too often await both the scientists working in climate research and journalists who communicate the research findings.”

 

David Robert Grimes

[Kinnock]

34 minutes ago, spud1 said:

Seems you have been assimilated.The Borg would be proud.

So the oil companies were caught putting out false information to feed the prejudices of the unimformed, unthinking climate change deniers,  but it's the people who reviewed the real data and made a rational, free-thinking choice to accept the reality of climate change who have been 'assimilated'. ????

[placeholder]

1 hour ago, Kinnock said:

Do EV's help with climate change?

 

I guess they can help reduce local air pollution in major cities, but they still need fossil fuels to make the electricity, and manufacture of a new EV is energy intensive, plus disposal of those batteries safely is a challenge.

 

Not buying a new electric car and keeping your old banger on the road is a more environmentally friendly option, but no profit in that plan.

 

Wind and solar power are growing rapidly. Actually more new wind and solar plants are being built that those powered by fossil fuels. So as time goes by, the percentage of power provided by fossil fuels will decrease.

 

And EV battery recycling is already a thing and is already getting  a lot bigger very quickly:

"Battery recycling company Redwood Materials said on Wednesday it has forged an alliance with Korean battery materials maker L&F Co (066970.KQ) that could help transform the Nevada startup into a major battery component manufacturer over the next decade.

Redwood has signed a multi-year deal to use L&F's design and manufacturing technology at a new U.S. facility to make enough battery cathodes to supply up to 1 million electric vehicles a year by 2025, and more than 5 million by 2030, Redwood told Reuters, without elaborating.

 

The partnership is the latest element in Redwood Chief Executive J.B. Straubel's vision of building a "closed loop" or circular supply chain for EV batteries, from raw materials to recycling.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-us-battery-startup-redwood-materials-sets-deal-with-koreas-lf-2021-10-27/

 

Unless that "old banger" is immortal, someday it will need to be replaced.

 

[Kinnock]

56 minutes ago, mistral53 said:

For my PHEV, I have solar panels on the roof, been to the gas station only once this year vs. twice monthly for the ICE I replaced it for.

 

As for the naysayers, I am pretty sure the same categorically false claims were made by the horsemen operating wagons when the first automobiles showed up in the streets.

 

Interesting and admirable, but the vast majority of EV's are powered by fossil fuels.  

 

Shared, efficient public transport, bicycles or continuing to use an older vehicle rather than buying a new EV are better options for the environment when total impacts are considered.

 

Saving the planet is about what we stop doing, not about more consumption, even if the items being consumed are EV's..  But that does not fit with our consumer-driven economy, so the planet is doomed anyway.

[Kinnock]

5 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Wind and solar power are growing rapidly. Actually more new wind and solar plants are being built that those powered by fossil fuels. So as time goes by, the percentage of power provided by fossil fuels will decrease.

 

And EV battery recycling is already a thing and is already getting  a lot bigger very quickly:

"Battery recycling company Redwood Materials said on Wednesday it has forged an alliance with Korean battery materials maker L&F Co (066970.KQ) that could help transform the Nevada startup into a major battery component manufacturer over the next decade.

Redwood has signed a multi-year deal to use L&F's design and manufacturing technology at a new U.S. facility to make enough battery cathodes to supply up to 1 million electric vehicles a year by 2025, and more than 5 million by 2030, Redwood told Reuters, without elaborating.

 

The partnership is the latest element in Redwood Chief Executive J.B. Straubel's vision of building a "closed loop" or circular supply chain for EV batteries, from raw materials to recycling.

https://www.reuters.com/technology/exclusive-us-battery-startup-redwood-materials-sets-deal-with-koreas-lf-2021-10-27/

 

Unless that "old banger" is immortal, someday it will need to be replaced.

 

My 1973 Honda 90 is close to immortal ????

 

 

[Soikhaonoiken]

14 hours ago, damascase said:

‘A future driven.by EV’s’ - but spoiled by the emissions during the burning season.

You beat me to it,, my thoughts exactly... 

[sezze]

12 hours ago, johnmcc6 said:

What climate change? It is a natural cycle happening many times over millions of years.

True , for part of it , but Human kind ( aka all of us ) have been around for approx 300.000 y .  The planet will survive , no matter what for a couple of billion years more , until our sun is getting too close and all is burned .

The climate change unfortunate is real , and in fact will never be stopped unless we weed out a large portion of it . Nobody speaks like that , but it is a basic fact that we are with too much people on this planet . This will solve itself , if not by diseases then its by famine/drought or war or all together . In the meanwhile lots of things are gonna change in short term , like it or not , since it is gonna be forced .

EV will be the 1st , soon EV will be cheaper then combustion . Let's think about it this way , right now , you can fuel up your EV with home solar panels . This was never a option before ( well you could use cooking oil with mild adaptation or use the cooking oil to make biodiesel , but both weren't the easiest around ) . For a little amount of money ( little meaning : in comparison to building a home and buying a car ) you can be 100% of the electric grid and even use your own electric to power your transport .

[mtraveler]

Perhaps they might want to direct their energies first to the many trucks and motorbikes that are spewing black smoke.  It's heartbreaking to see.  I'm sure that Thailand could reduce vehicular pollution dramatically by retiring these vehicles with some sort of subsidized trade-in plan, where owners of these dirt spewers could trade them in for something that produces a fraction of the pollution.  

 

And then, when that is taken care of, they can deal with the winter burning.  After that, I'm happy to listen to this EV plan.

 

(Yes, I believe in transitioning to electric cars, but I have this sneaking suspicion that someone has a profit motive here, and not just an altruistic motive.)

[hotchilli]

19 hours ago, webfact said:

The Thai government is expected to announce a new incentives package by the end of this year or early next year to promote electric vehicles.

 

19 hours ago, webfact said:

Thailand is betting on a future driven by electric vehicles (EVs), while big businesses have laid out ambitious plans to become carbon neutral in the next couple of decades.

Yeah.... Come on Japan give us some work !

[jacko45k]

16 hours ago, trainman34014 said:

Can just imagine all the Snorting Crew Cab, Bull Bar fitted Pick-Up Drivers refusing to buy more sensible Electric Cars.  No wonder they have said they will be 'Emission Free' by 2065; more like 2165 methinks !

It would be a nonsense to switch to electric vehicles which are highly expensive and apparently harmful to the environment to produce, until Thailand cleans up it's generation facilities.....I believe a high percentage is generated from Natural gas, with coal and oil also used. 

Anyhow, Thai kids would be unhappy with quiet vehicles that did not create black smoke when gunned!

[sammieuk1]

With a power cut every time it rains or puffs with wind progress maybe slow on the roads in the far and distance future ????

[BE88]

The electric car is only for export to receive a lot of $$$$$$$ because we in Thailand are the most beautiful green country said PM and confirmed for tourist Andrea Bocelli with 100 milions B.

[placeholder]

2 hours ago, sezze said:

True , for part of it , but Human kind ( aka all of us ) have been around for approx 300.000 y .  The planet will survive , no matter what for a couple of billion years more , until our sun is getting too close and all is burned .

The climate change unfortunate is real , and in fact will never be stopped unless we weed out a large portion of it . Nobody speaks like that , but it is a basic fact that we are with too much people on this planet . This will solve itself , if not by diseases then its by famine/drought or war or all together . In the meanwhile lots of things are gonna change in short term , like it or not , since it is gonna be forced .

EV will be the 1st , soon EV will be cheaper then combustion . Let's think about it this way , right now , you can fuel up your EV with home solar panels . This was never a option before ( well you could use cooking oil with mild adaptation or use the cooking oil to make biodiesel , but both weren't the easiest around ) . For a little amount of money ( little meaning : in comparison to building a home and buying a car ) you can be 100% of the electric grid and even use your own electric to power your transport .

Actually, there was a study done that said that the richest 1% of the human population generates twice as much emissions as do the bottom 50%. So it's not just about the numbers of humans. Think of the environmental damage caused by 1 superyacht.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-richest-1-percent-more-double-emissions-poorest-half-humanity

[placeholder]

48 minutes ago, jacko45k said:

It would be a nonsense to switch to electric vehicles which are highly expensive and apparently harmful to the environment to produce, until Thailand cleans up it's generation facilities.....I believe a high percentage is generated from Natural gas, with coal and oil also used. 

Anyhow, Thai kids would be unhappy with quiet vehicles that did not create black smoke when gunned!

As pointed out above, not all EVs are highly expensive. Unless you believe that a starting price slightly above $4000 is expensive. And while it's true that currently most electricity in Thailand is generated by fossil fuels, the economics of solar power make it an increasingly obvious choice for the future. Although "obvious" is an adjective that might not figure in Thai officialdom's lexicon.

[sezze]

2 minutes ago, placeholder said:

Actually, there was a study done that said that the richest 1% of the human population generates twice as much emissions as do the bottom 50%. So it's not just about the numbers of humans. Think of the environmental damage caused by 1 superyacht.

https://www.oxfam.org/en/press-releases/carbon-emissions-richest-1-percent-more-double-emissions-poorest-half-humanity

True but what can this planet take , 10 billion , 15 billion ... We all breath out CO2 , we all need food and we aren't vegetarians . You can't blame it all on the some few,which you think right now . We are with too much people , if we give everybody the same standard we well beyond breaking point .

[placeholder]

And here's some news that promises not only to extend the range of automobiles but could perhaps result in large electric powered commercial aircraft in a period of time somewhat shorter than 50 years.

A Colorado Firm Claims It Can Triple the Power of Electric Engines

The company claims that, according to the Advanced Research Projects Agency-Energy (ARPA-E) guidelines, a propulsion system of a commercial aircraft such as Boeing 737 must deliver a continuous power density of 12 kW/kg. However, conventional electric motors can only generate a maximum of up to 4kW/kg. Thanks to its reduced weight, the HPDM-250's power density clocks up to an impressive 13kW/kg. 

https://interestingengineering.com/a-colorado-firm-claims-it-can-triple-the-power-of-electric-engines

[placeholder]

40 minutes ago, sezze said:

True but what can this planet take , 10 billion , 15 billion ... We all breath out CO2 , we all need food and we aren't vegetarians . You can't blame it all on the some few,which you think right now . We are with too much people , if we give everybody the same standard we well beyond breaking point .

But this is about emissions. The rest is for another conversation.