So - how do you see climate change effects Thailand?

[farmerjo]

4 hours ago, Thunglom said:

with the melting in the poles there is already a lot more water in the atmosphere. Sothunderstroms come more frequent around the tropics - the problem is if you get too much water crops and soil wash away and other crops can be flooded or waterlogged blown down and lost. There is also a problem of shifting seasons which change insecurity behaviour and subsequent pollination.

things are not just singular regional events they are interconnected and there is likely to be a domino effect - 

What i say a lot of people don't want to hear who are concerned about the climate,in our location we are benefiting from this change.

Over population will never be addressed by society so it is what it is.

[Gsxrnz]

12 hours ago, BritManToo said:

I don't think anything has changed or will change.

Fires, floods and storms have always happened and always will happen.

The sea levels won't change (in our or our children's lifetimes).

 

If there were a chance of imminent and sudden change the banks wouldn't still be lending 30 year mortgages on sea front properties, and world leaders wouldn't still be buying beachfront properties. The money says no change!

 

And even if there were changes it would be entirely natural and humanity would have no way of altering what will happen.

You must be living in that strange place called "Observed Reality".  

[blackprince]

35 minutes ago, Kwasaki said:

When was the 1st Cop and what has been done. 

Still USA one of the biggest polluters and since what Cop has China and India have progressed there worse than ever. 

I'm not suggesting that the COPs have been perfect, far from it.

 

You seem to be saying you're unhappy with what you see as their lack of progress, which would imply you would like them to do more. I think all rational people would agee with you.

 

Re China and the US, they have both made substantial progress, including a bilateral agreement that was announced just earlier this week, but again many would say they haven't done enough yet.

 

In my opinion the most positive feature of the last 10 years has been the huge increase in public understanding of this issue, because without that little will change. But I agree that governmental change and cooperation is the key factor in actually delivering the change.

 

I'm not an ideological warrior on this or any other issue, my opinions are purely evidence based.

 

The massive acceleration in man made climate change has really occurred in the last 70 years or so, but it started in the industrial revolution.

 

The NASA link below shows this clearly and has good explanatory text too.

 

https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by blackprince

[JustAnotherHun]

4 hours ago, sandyf said:

Make your mind up, you stated there would be no climate change.

Oh sorry. I did not know I would have to mark posts as "Irony". Next time, I promise ????

[Will B Good]

1 minute ago, JustAnotherHun said:

Oh sorry. I did not know I would have to mark posts as "Irony". Next time, I promise ????

Irony

sarcasm 

Joking

Hyperbola 

 

Generally need notification of some sort (only joking)

[itsari]

19 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

60 degrees is now common in the   middle east and drought so no/little  crops can be grown ,your gonna fry ,at 60 to 70 degrees

I think you have been out in the sun too long . Never been a recorded temperature more than 54 degrees centigrade

[DavidSSaville]

Well, since the sun actually controls the climate and not CO2 or Greenhouse gases all being attributed to mankind.

If and when Greenland shifts as is possible. Beaufort Gyre will release and ocean circulation will stop and or reverse.

N America got hammered last cycle; Thailand may take a hit this cycle but the cold will deep freeze Europe, North Asia and America/Canada. If Thailand escapes Salt Water Intrusion, it could very well beoneof the safest countries during this next cycle. I am hoping no major CME directly over Thailand when we face the sun and if there is instantaneous EMP from the sun am hoping it is no where near Thailand when it occurs. A sufficiently strong X class solar flare and or with long duration plasma could be just one more slap the earth will take during this coming cycle. Se' la vie!

Get your coffee while you can as it will be the first so called staple to go.

[toolpush]

19 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

As will much or Florida?

Same as Obama's house in Martha's Vineyard

[johng]

5 minutes ago, DavidSSaville said:

A sufficiently strong X class solar flare and or with long duration plasma could be just one more slap the earth will take during this coming cycle.

I think I'll start building my Faraday cage bunker  and stock up on "essentials" ????

 

Talking of the sun  how do we know that the sun's output has not changed or is changing ?

how do we know that the earth has not crept closer to the sun  due to the slow down of orbit vs gravity ? ...we have only very recently ( compared to Earths age) been able to accurately measure these parameters.

[toolpush]

16 hours ago, Thunglom said:

the poles are suffering the most dramatic changes of all.

These changes ae most likely to impact quite quickly on the rest of us.

The problem with the poles is water - above 0 degrees it turns to liquid and then flows away - subsequent re-freezing doesn't place the ice lost, but the extra water in the oceans raises sea levels changes currents and climates and jet streams. Ice also forms dams - and these are wasting away too..

 

I think people have a belief that there will be some sudden event - the reality is is already happening and will accelerate exponentially - the problem at the moment is we can't admit to seeing the results because they aren't what we expected at depicted in movies and media...

Even if the North Pole sea ice all melted, it would not change sea levels one millimeter. Ice floating on water displaces exactly the same amount of water if melted.

[toolpush]

6 hours ago, blackprince said:

As we all know, the overwhelming majority of research studies (97-99%) by experts in the field confirm man-made climate change and nowadays the overhwelming majority of the public agree. The small rump of deniers is unsurprisingly over-represented on these comments.

 

Just skimming through the comments it seems that one of the the key global issues and one that is very relevant to Thailand has not been mentioned yet - food security.

 

Being a major food producer and exporter Thailand is in a fortunate but also risky position as climate change affects food production and food security, but no where near as risky as certain nations who depend on food imports to survive and who lack the farmland to redeploy.

Apparently you haven't learned that the 97% number is bogus and has been disproven many times?

[blackprince]

9 minutes ago, toolpush said:

Apparently you haven't learned that the 97% number is bogus and has been disproven many times?

Yes I've seen that fake "fact" from deniers many times, i'm sure everyone who has taken the trouble to learn about this issue. It's one of many that has been debunked over and over again.

 

But I'm sure you know best - NASA, universities world-wide, governments, scientists, they're all conspiring against you.

 

 

Edited November 13, 2021 by blackprince

[thaibeachlovers]

19 hours ago, clokwise said:

Bangkok and a number of other low lying provinces will essentially become unlivable as the waters rise.

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Bangkok is sinking but not because of sea level rise. As for the rest

[thaibeachlovers]

4 hours ago, farmerjo said:

What i say a lot of people don't want to hear who are concerned about the climate,in our location we are benefiting from this change.

Over population will never be addressed by society so it is what it is.

Indeed. Population growth is IMO the biggest driver of man made pollution, yet precious little is being done to reduce population growth. Little boys and fingers in cracks come to mind when people rant on about electric cars being the "salvation of the planet"!

BTW, we don't need to "save the planet". The planet will get along just fine without humans destroying it.

[thaibeachlovers]

20 hours ago, 3NUMBAS said:

60 degrees is now common in the   middle east and drought so no/little  crops can be grown ,your gonna fry ,at 60 to 70 degrees

https://yaleclimateconnections.org/2021/07/death-valley-california-breaks-the-all-time-world-heat-record-for-the-second-year-in-a-row/

 

Death Valley, California, breaks the all-time world heat record for the second year in a row

If verified, the 130 degrees Fahrenheit (54.4°C) reading at the Furnace Creek Visitor's Center on Friday, July 9, 2021, would be Earth's highest reliably measured temperature.

[micmichd]

9 hours ago, Thunglom said:

2 basic mistakes. 

Firstly things have changed and it is the concentration and frequency that has changed.

Sealevels are changing already. but the second part is that people expect a sudden change which is incorrect the change is exponential.

Exponential means slow in the beginning and extremely fast in the end. 

[billsmart]

It will affect Thailand just like it will affect the rest of the planet. It will eventually kill all humans, most other animals, and most plants. Read the details in my book I wrote over a year ago.  Below is a link to its Facebook page which describes it and has other links to which you can go to buy a paperback, ebook, or even get a free ebook. 

https://web.facebook.com/booktheicarussyndrome/

[bokningar]

5 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

But only half of the water as the Artic ice is floating????

And Antarctica had its coldest temperature or record this year, But facts like that is not talked about very much.

 

Between April and September, a research station sitting on a high plateau in Antarctica, registered an average temperature of minus 78 degrees Fahrenheit (minus 61 degrees Celsius). That’s the coldest temperature recorded since record keeping began in 1957

 

https://legalinsurrection.com/2021/10/antarctica-chills-with-coldest-winter-on-record/

[Caldera]

It will be horrible. Once the global warming mob fully takes over, you won't be allowed to do anything fun anymore.

 

I fully intend to enjoy it while it lasts though.

[hugocnx]

20 hours ago, VocalNeal said:

As will much or Florida?

Martha's Vineyard won't be flooded so it's really a hoax.

[hugocnx]

20 hours ago, JustAnotherHun said:

There will be no climate change in Thailand. The beloved and worldwide respected general will solve the problem next week.

I love the climate change if it turns out like the 2021 temps in Thailand. I think it was a pleasant year.

[hotchilli]

The sun will get hotter, the rains will fall harder, the floods will get deeper crops will fail, people will starve and I'll be pushing up daisies.

[sandyf]

7 hours ago, BritManToo said:

There will be no anthropological climate change.

Anthropological is a hard word to spell, so most people just leave it out.

Climate change is hardly an anthropological concept.

Acceleration is the second derivative of position and you are perfectly free to believe that modern day instrumentation is incapable of making such measurements.

You will be telling us next the world being round never had it's skeptics.

[bert bloggs]

7 hours ago, blackprince said:

This is fairly a common response, but I'm sure you recognise this issue is a bit bigger than your own lifespan regardless of your age (or my own life too of course).

 

Changes to climate, both man-made and natural, generally happen over a longer timespan than human life. That's one reason why it's taken so long for the average joe to understand the issues. But now the overwhelming majority of average joes do understand enough of the issues.

The overwhelming majority of average joes think man made climate change is a load of old ----------s the climate of the world has constantly changed not so long ago you could hold fairs and skate on the river Thames,was that man made climate change? 

Edited November 13, 2021 by bert bloggs

[sandyf]

15 minutes ago, bert bloggs said:

The overwhelming majority of average joes think man made climate change is a load of old ----------s the climate of the world has constantly changed not so long ago you could hold fairs and skate on the river Thames,was that man made climate change? 

I doubt if anyone would dispute that change is a natural phenomena. What is a concern is the acceleration in the rate of change.

I grew up in the north of Scotland and as a child snow was a certainty, the only variable was duration. Now it is the exception as opposed to the rule.

That has come about over 3 to 4 decades and you may well consider nothing unusual in that.

If however the experts say that should have taken 3 to 4 centuries I know who I would be more inclined to believe.

[Lacessit]

When I encounter a climate change sceptic, I ask them if they can define the Second Law of Thermodynamics, and what albedo and clathrates are. I then ask if they understand the role of each in climate change.

100% of the time, I get blank looks. I conclude it's a waste of time trying to have an intelligent conversation on the topic with them.

For what it's worth, I'm predicting Bangkok will probably be under water in 50 years, unless the Thai government copies the Dutch and builds big dykes.

The Indonesians have already twigged, they are moving their capital from Jakarta to Borneo.

[khunPer]

I dont expect much change from how climate has always slightly changed in periodes during centuries and millenniums. We are heading towards a little warmer period after a colder dip some hundred years ago, just like the climate was heading toward a little warmer period in Medieval ages, and before that in the Roman era.

 

Don't forget that Greenland was called "green land" for a reason, the Vikings that settled up there could grow crops.

 

One major problem is that many more people have settled in low level areas during the past few hundred years - the coastal populations have for example increased many-fold compared with the overall population increase - and that might of course create flooding of living-hood and homes for relative more people than in earlier times.

[IAMHERE]

The rich will get richer and the poor about the same. Thailand has had extreme weather in the past and will do so in the future; same with the rest of the world. World worked fine when there were only 4 billion people, it can do so again.

[xeniv23]

I'm working feverishly and diligently behind the scenes to tie up the bucket selling franchise in Bangkok and Nonthaburi.  It'll be worth billions.......

[mrfill]

3 hours ago, toolpush said:

Even if the North Pole sea ice all melted, it would not change sea levels one millimeter. Ice floating on water displaces exactly the same amount of water if melted.

Which is why pipes never burst when it freezes and why icebergs never float....

Check not the displacement but the volume.