U.S. Topic -- Predictions for the Kyle Rittenhouse Trial?

[Jeffr2]

1 minute ago, bbko said:

WARNING, graphic video of the shooting.

 

What a horrible person.  He needs to be in jail for a very long time. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

28 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

 

 An acquittal would lead to huge riots so I'd expect a short jail term.

 

 

Do you think that he should be jailed, just to stop any rioting ?

   That is mob rule , where the mob would be threatening the justice system to either give the verdict that they want or they will attack 

[Jeffr2]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that he should be jailed, just to stop any rioting ?

   That is mob rule , where the mob would be threatening the justice system to either give the verdict that they want or they will attack 

Hopefully, he'll get a bit of a long sentence.  Maybe, maybe, that will stop the riots.  Hopefully, it will be a just verdict.  But for sure, it needs to be respected.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Kyle shot 3, 2 died.

Yes, but the claims are that he acted in self defense , only shot people who attacked him 

[JonnyF]

5 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Do you think that he should be jailed, just to stop any rioting ?

   That is mob rule , where the mob would be threatening the justice system to either give the verdict that they want or they will attack 

No I don't think it SHOULD happen. Absolutely not.

 

But it's not beyond the realms of possibility. 

[Mac Mickmanus]

4 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Hopefully, he'll get a bit of a long sentence.  Maybe, maybe, that will stop the riots.  Hopefully, it will be a just verdict.  But for sure, it needs to be respected.

What if the jury found that he acted lawfully and was legally defending himself ?

   Then he would get a not guilty verdict and wouldn't face punishment . 

[ozimoron]

2 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but the claims are that he acted in self defense , only shot people who attacked him 

That is the defense claim. The prosecution claim is that he went there armed to the teeth as a vigilante and created an active shooter situation where some heroes among the crowd felt that they needed to disarm him to prevent more killings.

[Mac Mickmanus]

12 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

What a horrible person.  He needs to be in jail for a very long time. 

He was being attacked by a violent mob , 20-30 guys chasing him and attacking him . 

   He was in danger and the mob quite possibly would have killed him or severely beaten him , he defended himself by firing shots at the attackers

[CFCjeff]

He was attacked by radical left wing thugs intent on looting,arson, and violence. He defended himself and should be applauded for protecting his country from those that wish to destroy it.

 Not guilty on all charges.

[Jeffr2]

10 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, but the claims are that he acted in self defense , only shot people who attacked him 

Attacked by unarmed men, then use an AR15 to defend yourself, killing 2 wounding another?  A bit over the top, eh?  It's entirely his fault this happened.

[bbko]

1 minute ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

What if the jury found that he acted lawfully and was legally defending himself ?

   Then he would get a not guilty verdict and wouldn't face punishment . 

Technically he was defending himself, BUT he's not a victim here, he helped incited the actions toward him. Police and SWAT teams were already in the area, no need for this then 17 y/o to play policeman or national guard.

[Jeffr2]

5 minutes ago, CFCjeff said:

He was attacked by radical left wing thugs intent on looting,arson, and violence. He defended himself and should be applauded for protecting his country from those that wish to destroy it.

 Not guilty on all charges.

He was a radical right wing thug intent on violence against unarmed protesters.

Guilty as heck.

[Jeffr2]

6 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He was being attacked by a violent mob , 20-30 guys chasing him and attacking him . 

   He was in danger and the mob quite possibly would have killed him or severely beaten him , he defended himself by firing shots at the attackers

Ditch the weapon, nobody would be chasing him.  No need to defend yourself.  No one dies.

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 minute ago, Jeffr2 said:

Attacked by unarmed men, then use an AR15 to defend yourself, killing 2 wounding another?  A bit over the top, eh?  It's entirely his fault this happened.

He was running away from the mob , trying to get away from them , he only shot when he was on the ground with the mob about to get stuck  into him .

   If the mob would have let him run away , the shootings wouldn't have happened 

[Rimmer]

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[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

He was running away from the mob , trying to get away from them , he only shot when he was on the ground with the mob about to get stuck  into him .

   If the mob would have let him run away , the shootings wouldn't have happened 

They should let an active shooter escape?

[JonnyF]

8 minutes ago, Jeffr2 said:

Attacked by unarmed men

2 violent, left wing extremists. One a convicted paedo, one a convicted domestic abuse repeat offender. Both attacking him, along with others.

[Mac Mickmanus]

3 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

They should let an active shooter escape?

Yes, he was running towards the police and wasnt a threat anymore .

[ozimoron]

16 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Yes, he was running towards the police and wasnt a threat anymore .

You seem to have a deep insight into his intentions. He could easily have been going to shoot police. If you assume that it was the job of the police to maintain law and order then that disqualifies Rittenhouse motive for even going there. There is no doubt that at the very least he was a vigilante.

 

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Several people chase him, some shouting, “That’s the shooter!”

 

Edited November 17, 2021 by ozimoron

[Mac Mickmanus]

1 hour ago, Jeffr2 said:

Actually, it is.  He went to a violent protest, armed for battle.  Prepared to kill if necessary.  He shot and killed unarmed people. 

Didn't one of the deceased have a hand gun and pointed the gun at Kyles head , which was the reason why Kyle shot him ?

[Jingthing]

Regardless of the verdicts he has earned his place in American history as the crying baby faced vigilante of Kenosha Wisconsin. He wanted to be famous. Job done.

[Mac Mickmanus]

6 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

You seem to have a deep insight into his intentions. He could easily have been going to shoot police. 

But he didnt shoot the Police when he got to the Police lines , he walked straight past the Police and he didn't shoot them or at them , he seemed to be going to the Police for protection from the mob .

  Are you suggesting that the left wing mob attacked Kyle because they thought Kyle was on his way to shoot some policemen ?

[ozimoron]

3 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

But he didnt shoot the Police when he got to the Police lines , he walked straight past the Police and he didn't shoot them or at them , he seemed to be going to the Police for protection from the mob .

  Are you suggesting that the left wing mob attacked Kyle because they thought Kyle was on his way to shoot some policemen ?

No, I am saying that only you appeared to know what his motive was at the time of the shootings. Others saw him as an active shooter. Many active shooters go on to continue the shootings at the next unsuspecting location.

 

Rittenhouse had just shot and killed someone but you think the people who tried to stop him were unjustified in attempting to do so.

Edited November 17, 2021 by ozimoron

[EVENKEEL]

8 minutes ago, Mac Mickmanus said:

Didn't one of the deceased have a hand gun and pointed the gun at Kyles head , which was the reason why Kyle shot him ?

That one lived and testified in court that he did point his gun at Rittenhouse.

[ozimoron]

Just now, EVENKEEL said:

That one lived and testified in court that he did point his gun at Rittenhouse.

He was no less entitled to point his gun at an active shooter as Rittenhouse was at someone he thought was going to kill him.

[EVENKEEL]

5 minutes ago, ozimoron said:

 Others saw him as an active shooter. 

 

 

Did the prosecution  prove that, if not it's irrelevant.

[mtls2005]

Count #7 Guilty, $200 fine.

 

Maybe guilty on Count #2?

 

Never bring a skateboard to a gunfight.

[ozimoron]

6 minutes ago, EVENKEEL said:

Did the prosecution  prove that, if not it's irrelevant.

Again...

 

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Several people chase him, some shouting, “That’s the shooter!”

 

[Mac Mickmanus]

BTW , what happened to the guy who got shot in the arm , did he make a full recovery ?

[lannarebirth]

2 hours ago, Jeffr2 said:

Doesn't seem you understand why they were protesting.  I'm guessing you're a white guy.

The BLM led protest ended hours before the Rittenhouse shooting event.