dagling Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Can you buy this at a pharmacy in Thailand without a prescription? I need help finding a good / recommended medicine with the least possibility of addiction. I realize that is almost impossible to ask for, but I can no longer manage this life, I do not function normally. Is exhausted and almost constantly tired, constantly tense and eases dizziness. I also lie for hours (up to 6-7 sometimes) before I get to sleep, a thousand thoughts an hour rage through my head, unable to just close my eyes and relax, find peace to fall asleep. Have talked to psychiatrists about this problem several times, but it's just about my childhood, growing up blah blah ... Have told that I do not know what I'm thinking, I can not find any specific problem to talk about. Ok, I did not have it so easy growing up / youth when my parents divorced when I was 7 years old. I have dignosis general anxiety, have checked all symptoms even on Google and I can cross off 80% of them, so I trust the diagnosis. So can anyone help me and lead me in the right direction? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted December 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2021 (edited) Go to a decent private hospital. Immediately. Talk to a doctor about trying Alprazolam (AKA Xanax, short acting Benzo). It'll help you get your sleep in order in the short term. FWIW I am also medically diagnosed with GAD (not my own diagnosis) and suffer severe panic attacks, also related to childhood trauma. I went through this most of my adult life without seeking help but I have this under control now with very good psychiatric help that I've had in Thailand, and the support of my wife and children. Alprazolam has been highly effective, I now only take it in very small doses occasionally, a couple of times a week to help me sleep or for emergencies. I am a chronic insomniac, my problem is sleep initiation, but once asleep I have no problem staying asleep. Your problem may not be the same, but in my case, immediate release, short acting GABA medication is extremely effective. Taken with caution, and occasionally, it will not lead to addiction. I take it in such low doses now, my doctor has moved me onto occasional Zolpidem, just for sleep initiation as needed, but I keep an emergency dose of Alprazolam in my wallet, just in case. I find that reassuring. DO NOT self medicate. See a doctor. Get your sleep patterns in order, stay off the alcohol for a few weeks. Things will get better. Good luck to you, friend. Edited December 20, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagling Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 51 minutes ago, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said: Go to a decent private hospital. Immediately. Talk to a doctor about trying Alprazolam (AKA Xanax, short acting Benzo). It'll help you get your sleep in order in the short term. FWIW I am also medically diagnosed with GAD (not my own diagnosis) and suffer severe panic attacks, also related to childhood trauma. I went through this most of my adult life without seeking help but I have this under control now with very good psychiatric help that I've had in Thailand, and the support of my wife and children. Alprazolam has been highly effective, I now only take it in very small doses occasionally, a couple of times a week to help me sleep or for emergencies. I am a chronic insomniac, my problem is sleep initiation, but once asleep I have no problem staying asleep. Your problem may not be the same, but in my case, immediate release, short acting GABA medication is extremely effective. Taken with caution, and occasionally, it will not lead to addiction. I take it in such low doses now, my doctor has moved me onto occasional Zolpidem, just for sleep initiation as needed, but I keep an emergency dose of Alprazolam in my wallet, just in case. I find that reassuring. DO NOT self medicate. See a doctor. Get your sleep patterns in order, stay off the alcohol for a few weeks. Things will get better. Good luck to you, friend. Thank you very much for an honest and comprehensive answer, yes I have to contact a psychiatrist / doctor at eg Bangkok Hospital. Will gladly accept more answers to hear their experiences. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bamboozled Posted December 20, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 20, 2021 I might sound like a broken record as I've passed it on before: the book, "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle really helped me out. It's available in Thailand in English. If I'm feeling anxious, I have found just opening that book to almost any page and reading a bit....it is very calming and reassuring. Also, Vipassana meditation. If you are in Bkk or CM I'm sure you can find some groups that are having get-togethers for meditating. I'm sure they could discuss it with you. The book and the Vipassana are along similar veins the idea being that we create the stress by out minds running off into the past and the future instead of in the present. We have become so accustomed to it that we don't even realize it anymore. You certainly are not alone. I think the majority of folks feel similarly, to differing degrees, and with different levels of awareness. Good that you've decided to pursue some course of action. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1FinickyOne Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 I have slight anxiety on occasion. I take one natural St John's Wort tablet from the vitamin store... it seems to ease the shivers in a few hours... I may only take 1 pill every couple of months but it does take that edge off... and I think it helps w/sleep too though I don't take it for that.. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drdrum22 Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Did you try kratom ? I started using it to lower my high coffee intake to stay awake, and it's got me surprisingly calm and peaceful. I'm stressful but not anxious, maybe you should give it a try ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dagling Posted December 20, 2021 Author Share Posted December 20, 2021 4 hours ago, Drdrum22 said: Did you try kratom ? I started using it to lower my high coffee intake to stay awake, and it's got me surprisingly calm and peaceful. I'm stressful but not anxious, maybe you should give it a try ? No I have not. Is it legal and where can it be bought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 Please see my post in this thread https://aseannow.com/topic/1243614-do-doctors-in-thailand-still-prescribe-xanax-for-stress-and-anxiety/ 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ricklev Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 37 minutes ago, dagling said: No I have not. Is it legal and where can it be bought? Surprisingly, Big C carries Kratom in their produce section. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
anyone Posted December 20, 2021 Share Posted December 20, 2021 If you feel tired, maybe you just do not have enough some vitamins... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henk Langeweg Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 Amitriptyline 25mg at farmacy. 2 Baht per pil. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drdrum22 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 7 hours ago, dagling said: No I have not. Is it legal and where can it be bought? It's legal since this summer. I bought it from shopee at first then found a local seller at a market. I tried every way, powder, tea from fresh leaves, and chewing fresh leaves. To me chewing is the best way to control the dosage and avoid me being nauseous. Never take kratom before eat and avoid taking it at least 5h before the bedtime Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post giddyup Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 (edited) I had a bout of panic attacks, anxiety and depression just recently and posted for help on here, same as you. I preferred to try something other than conventional, and possibly addictive medication. Someone (many thanks) recommended trying the Wim Hof breathing technique as a means of helping my symptoms, and so far it seems to be working. I haven't had any further feelings of panic, anxiety or depression since I started practicing Wim Hof about 6 weeks ago. Information and tutorials on YouTube. Worth a try. Edited December 21, 2021 by giddyup 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post connda Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 Exercise. No prescription needed. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bruno123 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 12 minutes ago, giddyup said: I had a bout of panic attacks, anxiety and depression just recently and posted for help on here, same as you. I preferred to try something other than conventional, and possibly addictive medication. Someone (many thanks) recommended trying the Wim Hof breathing technique as a means of helping my symptoms, and so far it seems to be working. I haven't had any further feelings of panic, anxiety or depression since I started practicing Wim Hof about 6 weeks ago. Information and tutorials on YouTube. Worth a try. Good to hear you are felling better. The techniques look good. Replicating somewhat the effects a healthy and active person will experience. Cycling, jogging, swimming etc. Forcing you to breathe and relax and producing the chemicals missing in your brain. It's what I tried to tell you before; but of course I am active, so perhaps my suggestions seemed somewhat daunting. The Wim Hof exercises seem ideal for the older less mobile person(I hope you don't mind me describing you as such). Keep it up ???? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post davidst01 Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 2 hours ago, connda said: Exercise. No prescription needed. I agree with this comment. I dont sleep well at all. Recently someone asked me to join in on indoor soccer to help the team out. I was running around for 20min and it almost killed me. I was so exhausted. I slept from 9pm to 8am solid. The best sleep I've ever had. So my advice is get off your butt and do some exercise. Wear out your body/ brain EVERYDAY.... Do not take meds.... Do not take midday naps or anything. Stay up all day and go to bed the same time. Good luck 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 20 hours ago, bamboozled said: I might sound like a broken record as I've passed it on before: the book, "The Power of Now" by Eckhart Tolle really helped me out. It's available in Thailand in English. If I'm feeling anxious, I have found just opening that book to almost any page and reading a bit....it is very calming and reassuring. Also, Vipassana meditation. If you are in Bkk or CM I'm sure you can find some groups that are having get-togethers for meditating. I'm sure they could discuss it with you. The book and the Vipassana are along similar veins the idea being that we create the stress by out minds running off into the past and the future instead of in the present. We have become so accustomed to it that we don't even realize it anymore. You certainly are not alone. I think the majority of folks feel similarly, to differing degrees, and with different levels of awareness. Good that you've decided to pursue some course of action. I just Googled Vipassana Meditation as I had no idea what it was. Now I know....a load of cobblers. Sitting thinking about your problems never cured anything. And the site I read says it take a couple of years to get yourself sortrd. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genmai Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 3 hours ago, connda said: Exercise. No prescription needed. Seconding this. Make sure you have all the other basic stuff checked - routine, good diet, a friend or 2 with above room temperature IQ, productive pursuits, etc. Also, as per forum rules I can't suggest anything illegal but it might be a very very good idea to read up on pot edibles. Changed my life in a way that most people can't appreciate unless they've experienced 15 years of lying in bed for hours every night with a million useless racing thoughts. Now it takes 15 minutes to catch those sweet sweet zzzs. During the day I'm focused and mellow, Thai shenanigans don't matter so much anymore. No withdrawals even if going cold turkey after many months of daily use. Maybe a hospital here can prescribe you with oil drops? Anxiety and insomnia are 2 conditions they can prescribe them for. If not, most Thais are capable of finding some provider on Twitter/Instagram for you. Good luck. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Genmai Posted December 21, 2021 Popular Post Share Posted December 21, 2021 4 minutes ago, KannikaP said: I just Googled Vipassana Meditation as I had no idea what it was. Now I know....a load of cobblers. Sitting thinking about your problems never cured anything. And the site I read says it take a couple of years to get yourself sortrd. Judging from your utterly unhelpful comment I'd be amazed if you could muster the willpower to sit through an hour of proper Vipassana practice. You're not meant to "think about your problems" but rather to observe your own impulses and reactions rising up in response to "problems". Doing so trains you to catch yourself before you commit to dumb actions like posting uneducated brainfarts and dumping on a spiritual practice that has been of nothing but immeasurable benefit to humanity and has great potential to bring positive change to OP. 9 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jojothai Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 I have had problems in the past and apart from exercise you need to look at your diet, and what vitamins can help. See what advice you can find. I suggest you try adding daily folic acid two x 5mg and B1, 6, 12. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 23 hours ago, dagling said: Will gladly accept more answers to hear their experiences. I'd like to say something about some of the subsequent comments. Some of them may be useful to you, some of them I feel are not. However, I'd like to state that the reason I responded so quickly to your post is that reading between the lines, I think you need to get yourself sat in front of someone. I've been through it mate. Once you walk through the door and say to that person "I need help", the hardest part is behind you. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scubascuba3 Posted December 21, 2021 Share Posted December 21, 2021 8 hours ago, davidst01 said: I agree with this comment. I dont sleep well at all. Recently someone asked me to join in on indoor soccer to help the team out. I was running around for 20min and it almost killed me. I was so exhausted. I slept from 9pm to 8am solid. The best sleep I've ever had. So my advice is get off your butt and do some exercise. Wear out your body/ brain EVERYDAY.... Do not take meds.... Do not take midday naps or anything. Stay up all day and go to bed the same time. Good luck Yes exercise is very good, endorphins and all that. If someone can't sleep stimulants should be reduced also, coffee tea. I sleep fine but recently been drinking more tea and a slight effect on sleeping 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 18 hours ago, KannikaP said: I just Googled Vipassana Meditation as I had no idea what it was. Now I know....a load of cobblers. Sitting thinking about your problems never cured anything. And the site I read says it take a couple of years to get yourself sortrd. Vipassana meditation does not remotely involve "sitting around thinking about your problems". 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 31 minutes ago, Sheryl said: Vipassana meditation does not remotely involve "sitting around thinking about your problems". Sorry I read another website about it. It is sitting comfortably, breathing in and out, and thinking about things. LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sheryl Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 1 minute ago, KannikaP said: Sorry I read another website about it. It is sitting comfortably, breathing in and out, and thinking about things. LOL No, it is not. I have practiced it for three decades. Most emphatically it is not "thinking about things". It is also not intended to be a treatment for serious psychological disorders. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KannikaP Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) 31 minutes ago, Sheryl said: No, it is not. I have practiced it for three decades. Most emphatically it is not "thinking about things". It is also not intended to be a treatment for serious psychological disorders. I tried Transcendental Meditation for a while back in the 90s, got my Mantra and paid 500 quid to the Maharishi. It was the same basic thing, breathe deeply concentrating on the abdomen, sit quietly and concentrate on your body and mind. Did nothing for me. I can sit just the same, listening to quiet music and drift off easily. Sorry. Edited December 22, 2021 by KannikaP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kiteman9 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 There are proven studies on the effects of meditation that it can reduce anxiety, chronic pain, depression, heart disease and high blood pressure. Meditation for me is not something you can put a goal or length of time to fully learn .Thats why it is an on going practice. Practicing meditation is letting your thoughts pass by and not focusing too much on them. After a while you will notice your thoughts slowing and you will feel like they're longer gaps between your thoughts. Once you experience how much peace and calmness you can receive by just witnessing your thoughts and nature surrounding you. It is like listening to soothing music and the gaps in your thoughts are like the short pauses between the notes in music . Music would not be music without the gaps between the notes. The few masters of meditation who reach nirvana are here to guide us to only be able to see a glimpse of truth. We have to find our own path. Meditation is a very simple process: all that you need to know is the right button. The Upanishads call it'witnessing' -- the right button. Just witness your mind process, don't do anything at all. Nothing needs to be done, just be a witness, an observer, a watcher, looking at the traffic of the mind -- thoughts passing by, desires, memories, dreams, fantasies. Simply stand aloof, cool -- watching it, seeing it, with no judgment, with no condemnation, neither saying, "This is good," nor saying, "This is bad." Don't bring your moral concepts in, otherwise you will never be able to meditate. That's why I am against the so-called morality: it is anti-meditation, because a so-called moral person is so full of his moral ideas, shoulds and should-nots, that he cannot watch, he cannot simply watch. He jumps to conclusions: "This is not right and this is right." And whatsoever he feels is right, he wants to cling to it; and whatsoever he thinks is wrong, he wants to throw it out. He jumps among the thoughts, starts fighting, grabbing, and that's where he loses all witnessing. Witnessing simply means a detached observation, unprejudiced; that's the whole secret of meditation. It is simple! Once you have known the knack of it it is the most simple thing in the world, because each child is born in that innocence. You have known it in your mother's womb, you have known it when you were a small child, so it is only a rediscovery. Meditation is not something NEW; you had come with it into the world. MIND IS something new; meditation is your nature, it is your very being. How can it be difficult? You just have to know the knack: watch. Sit by the side of a river and watch the river flowing. Yes, sometimes driftwood passes by and sometimes a boat comes and sometimes a dead body and sometimes a beautiful woman may be swimming in the river -- you simply watch, you don't get bothered, you remain cool, you don't get excited. You are not supposed to do anything, you have nothing to do. It is the river and it is the river's business. You simply sit silently. Sitting silently, slowly slowly the art is learnt... and one day, the moment your watchfulness is total, the mind evaporates. Osho 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 On 12/20/2021 at 10:42 PM, Led Lolly Yellow Lolly said: Go to a decent private hospital. Immediately. Talk to a doctor about trying Alprazolam (AKA Xanax, short acting Benzo). It'll help you get your sleep in order in the short term. FWIW I am also medically diagnosed with GAD (not my own diagnosis) and suffer severe panic attacks, also related to childhood trauma. I went through this most of my adult life without seeking help but I have this under control now with very good psychiatric help that I've had in Thailand, and the support of my wife and children. Alprazolam has been highly effective, I now only take it in very small doses occasionally, a couple of times a week to help me sleep or for emergencies. I am a chronic insomniac, my problem is sleep initiation, but once asleep I have no problem staying asleep. Your problem may not be the same, but in my case, immediate release, short acting GABA medication is extremely effective. Taken with caution, and occasionally, it will not lead to addiction. I take it in such low doses now, my doctor has moved me onto occasional Zolpidem, just for sleep initiation as needed, but I keep an emergency dose of Alprazolam in my wallet, just in case. I find that reassuring. DO NOT self medicate. See a doctor. Get your sleep patterns in order, stay off the alcohol for a few weeks. Things will get better. Good luck to you, friend. Xanax is addictive and soul destroying 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 (edited) Double post on next page, please delete this one Edited December 22, 2021 by Led Lolly Yellow Lolly Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
baboon Posted December 22, 2021 Share Posted December 22, 2021 Perhaps you could try Propanolol and a basic antidepressant like Escitalopram? That's what I was getting from my GP in the UK. And please try not to be affected by the 'Just pull yourself together, you little poofter' brigade. But a word of warning - you do need to come off antidepressants slowly. Propanolol is taken as and when. https://www.theindependentpharmacy.co.uk/anxiety/guides/propranolol-guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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