Popular Post steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 Total and Chevron packed up during last week and got the hell out of Myanmar due to the countries instability and the killing of innocent civilians was not in line with their ethics or beliefs. Along comes PTT to move in ..... it obviously doesn't give a rats about the cost of human lives in Myanmar ..... they moved in like a leach ... and I thought Saudi was smarter than that and would tell Thailand where to go ..... news : https://www.yahoo.com/ 18 2 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post tgw Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 you should contact your friends in high places and voice your dissent 7 1 14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alextrat1966 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 I would have done the same. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 2 minutes ago, tgw said: you should contact your friends in high places and voice your dissent sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar. Thailand doesn't give a rats .... imo 14 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, alextrat1966 said: I would have done the same. on both points .... ? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post BKKBike09 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 28 minutes ago, steven100 said: Total and Chevron packed up during last week and got the hell out of Myanmar due to the countries instability and the killing of innocent civilians was not in line with their ethics or beliefs. It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience. Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line. 24 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 3 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said: It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience. Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alextrat1966 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 11 minutes ago, steven100 said: on both points .... ? Specially on the first point. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, BKKBike09 said: I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. but they like everyone to think that .... 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 minute ago, BKKBike09 said: I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line. Agreed..... No large company has ‘ethics’ and these moral standards you (op) seem to believe. They talk a lot.. they may sponsor a school, they may offset their carbon footprint, they may quote words like sustainable, renewable, eco-friendly.... They may schmoozy up to the media while manicuring their perfect political landscape with the right terminology...... .... its all theatre... 19 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Enoon Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 13 minutes ago, steven100 said: sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar. Thailand doesn't give a rats .... imo Then perhaps it is time to take down that photo under your name. For he, personally, incontravertibly, on behalf of Thailand, does not give a rats fundament and wholeheartedly endorses PTT. You can bet your life on that. 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
steven100 Posted January 27, 2022 Author Share Posted January 27, 2022 5 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Agreed..... No large company has ‘ethics’ and these moral standards you (op) seem to believe. They talk a lot.. they may sponsor a school, they may offset their carbon footprint, they may quote words like sustainable, renewable, eco-friendly.... They may schmoozy up to the media while manicuring their perfect political landscape with the right terminology...... .... its all theatre... I totally agree .... the company spiel about ethical behavior and how they care about their employees has long gone ..... I would like to think it did exist in the 70's - 80's ... imo 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveAustin Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 Thought it’d be right up your alley, steven, beings who your hero is. 3 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post alextrat1966 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 minutes ago, daveAustin said: Thought it’d be right up your alley, steven, beings who your hero is. His hero is a good man... 1 1 11 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post daveAustin Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 Oh aye, wonderful (compared to Pop Pot or Mugabe), Nobel Prize material, but try telling that to the millions of Thais he’s trounced and made poor. For future ref, When doing irony, use this one: ???? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Kinnock Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 The idea that major US businesses (or Chinese, European etc, etc) care about ethics is laughable. Businesses have a duty to their shareholders to deliver profits and growth. That's it. If customer and investor sentiment about a particular ethical issues starts to impact on profits or growth, then businesses will invest in some PR whitewash, greenwash or whatever wash to shore up the financials. PTT's customers don't care enough to vote with their cash, and their main investors will think military coups are good idea, so why should PTT care. I doubt Chevron's customers or investors care about Myanmar either - so I agree, it was a financial descision. And KFC, Pizza Hut, Starbucks don't seem too bothered about ethics in Myanmar either. Or about ethics in China. Corporate business ethics is a myth. 13 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Hammer2021 Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 How does the OP behave and how does his country behave that gives him the right to criticize Thailand?.. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post richard_smith237 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 6 minutes ago, The Hammer2021 said: How does the OP behave and how does his country behave that gives him the right to criticize Thailand?.. Get off yer soap box..... It's a valid discussion..... 7 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post bbko Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 Bottom line, businesses operate to make money, if customers or their shareholders don't like the way a business operates they are free to "vote" with their money. If you don't agree with PTT's decision, fine, boycott them. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, richard_smith237 said: Get off yer soap box..... It's a valid discussion..... Discussions do involve other people - lol. And other people do have different opinions. lol Get used to it mate. That is what makes a discussion. But what the OP proposes is absurd as the Thai people are not really represented by their decision makers. So I suggest you try to control your comments which might appear unreasoned knee jerk reactions to a very valid point of view. Think before you write please. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bbko Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 (edited) The headline says "This is how Thais and Thai companies operate....", so one Thai company's decision represents all Thais and all Thai companies? This takes Thai bashing to a new level. Edited January 27, 2022 by bbko 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post KhaoYai Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 1 hour ago, steven100 said: sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar. Thailand doesn't give a rats .... imo Well Thailand's government can't really say much about military coups. Pot calling kettle black and all that. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post cncltd1973 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families. I'm sure Saudi will dock a percentage to recoup the loss of jewels, and some will go into the pockets of the generals, but that's a small price to pay. Without tourism, Thailand needs a source of incoming funds and there aren't many options. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Hammer2021 Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 7 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said: I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families. I'm sure Saudi will dock a percentage to recoup the loss of jewels, and some will go into the pockets of the generals, but that's a small price to pay. Without tourism, Thailand needs a source of incoming funds and there aren't many options. Before the Blue Diamond affair hundreds of thousands of Thais worked in the MENA including Saudi of course. Their replacements, especially Philippinos were not as good. The Saudis and expats will be relieved to have the Thais back 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stubuzz Posted January 27, 2022 Share Posted January 27, 2022 36 minutes ago, cncltd1973 said: I think the Saudi meeting is a great benefit for Thailand. It's more than likely a way to supply Saudi with a cheap construction force, but that will be money coming back to Thailand. A lot of desperate, unemployed construction workers will get shipped over and their salaries will feed their starving families. Things have changed here in Saudi. Workers now need to be qualified/certified in the field they work in. Tests are also given before work permits can be renewed. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post sidgy Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 4 hours ago, steven100 said: Along comes PTT to move in ..... it obviously doesn't give a rats about the cost of human lives in Myanmar ..... they moved in like a leach ... Not quite. They cant move in to where they are already. The field was shared by all three companies with Total being the operator. They and Chevron are pulling out leaving PTTEP to operate the field. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post OneMoreFarang Posted January 27, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 27, 2022 What do sanctions actually do? Do they hurt the rick leaders? Do they hurt lots of ordinary people? I think it is wrong to think sanctions are always a good solution to hurt those who are responsible for something bad. They may hurt those at the top a little, but more likely they hurt lots of ordinary people a lot. I think the situation is too complex and we know too little about that is happening and how the situation can be "adjusted". Who here is an expert? It's easy to demand sanctions to hurt those bad people somewhere in the world. But does that actually happen? Or is it often wishful thinking? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post The Old Bull Posted January 28, 2022 Popular Post Share Posted January 28, 2022 8 hours ago, BKKBike09 said: It's been nearly a year since the coup and several years since the Rohingya persecution got really bad so, given how long both Total and Chevron have been operating in Yadana, it's taken them a while to develop a conscience. Chevron and many other oil majors are pulling out of many SE Asian production fields largely because a) many of the fields are heavily depleted and nearing end of life and b) fossil fuels are becoming a liability. I don't think "ethics" has much to do with it. Just bottom line. Totally agree it's about the money and chirping about human rights etc. is a ploy to gain them some brownie points on the way out. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hotchilli Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 10 hours ago, steven100 said: sorry, Thailand was one country that didn't support UNHCR's boycott and sanctions and arms embargo against Myanmar. Thailand doesn't give a rats .... imo You quote Thailand... I think you could narrow that down to your favourite friend... you know who. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inThailand Posted January 28, 2022 Share Posted January 28, 2022 This TIT! If there is money to be made and even better have a monopolistic business they could care less about being politically correct. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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