Big defeat in Bangkok could be beginning of end for Prayut’s government: analysts

[webfact]

 

A board displays the vote-counting result of Bangkok’s constituency 9 by-election on Sunday evening.

 

Predictions of defeat for the ruling Palang Pracharath Party were being made several days before last Sunday’s Constituency 9 by-election in Bangkok, but few analysts expected such a devastating loss.

 

Palang Pracharath’s candidate Saranrat Jenjaka attracted just 7,906 votes – less than a quarter of the 34,907 votes received by her husband Sira when he won the same MP seat in the March 2019 general election, also as a Palang Pracharath candidate.

 

Surachart Thienthong from the opposition Pheu Thai Party won on Sunday with 29,416 votes, down from the 32,115 he received as runner-up behind Sira in 2009.

 

Actor-turned-politician Krunphol Tiansuwan from the opposition Move Forward Party came second, with 20,361 votes, followed by Kla Party secretary-general Atavit Suwannapakdee, who garnered 20,047 votes. Saranrat came a distant fourth.

 

Full story: https://www.thaipbsworld.com/big-defeat-in-bangkok-could-be-beginning-of-end-for-prayuts-government-analysts/

 

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[Thaiwrath]

[JonnyF]

Are people finally waking up?

 

It's about time...

[Thailand]

That would probably translate to a win for P if this was a general election.

Anyway 200 plus guaranteed seats, not much of a race.

[herfiehandbag]

How can this be? 

Was there not a poll recently which revealed that 75% or so thought that he was the absolute canine testicles?

[steven100]

45 minutes ago, webfact said:

Constituency 9

They keep beating their drums ....  Lol     ......  the constituency 9 by-election is made up of  Lak Si and part of Chatuchak districts, so hardly anything to go by,  not exactly Bangkok or Thailand is it.

 

 

 

 

 

[Mr Meeseeks]

56 minutes ago, webfact said:

Palang Pracharath’s candidate Saranrat Jenjaka attracted just 7,906 votes – less than a quarter of the 34,907 votes received by her husband Sira when he won the same MP seat in the March 2019 general election, also as a Palang Pracharath candidate.

Her husband of course was on the anti-corruption panel of the House of Representatives despite being convicted of fraud in 1994. ????

[hotchilli]

17 hours ago, steven100 said:

They keep beating their drums ....  Lol     ......  the constituency 9 by-election is made up of  Lak Si and part of Chatuchak districts, so hardly anything to go by,  not exactly Bangkok or Thailand is it.

Nice try @steven100... you must be devastated. [I do like you]

The end of Prayuts reign is slowly coming to fruition, voters have over the last 2 years or more seen the real PM &Co and had enough, now it's time for a change from Prayut & Fatty running the show with their power games.

No more barracks games closing ranks.

This is about Thailand and what the people need.

[dinsdale]

He will hold on to power be it through a fraudulent ballot or the gun. 

[klauskunkel]

18 hours ago, webfact said:

Predictions of defeat for the ruling Palang Pracharath Party

I just can't see what it was they did wrong.

Prawit is their leader - an able statesman if there ever was one

Their MPs - a better bunch of astute and competent politicians doesn't exist. And loyal to a fault.

Their finances - sponsored by Charoen Phokpand, ThaiBev, the Central Group and Boonrawd Brewery, one and all corporations known for their altruism and philanthropy and selflessness

Their love for the Monarchy - declared daily, love is all you need

Corruption within - simply does not exit, proven by their very own agencies

 

[robblok]

36 minutes ago, hotchilli said:

Nice try @steven100... you must be devastated. [I do like you]

The end of Prayuts reign is slowly coming to fruition, voters have over the last 2 years or more seen the real PM &Co and had enough, now it's time for a change from Prayut & Fatty running the show with their power games.

No more barracks games closing ranks.

This is about Thailand and what the people need.

There is a big difference between what Thailand needs, and what is available. While i don't dislike the PTP as much as i did before. Mainly because now I see they are just as bad that most other politicians. Before I just thought about what group of corrupt people. That they dare to do the stuff they did and still suppress so much and stall investigations. 

 

Now after having seen the current government do the same and worse, im more like ok give the next corrupt group a slice of their pie because there is nothing better on offer. 

 

What Thailand needs are competent non corrupt officials. What is available is two groups of corrupt officials with not much difference at all corruption wise. But the current government has much more power so a PTP government might be just a bit less high and mighty (though i doubt it given their track record). Still they are the worse of two evils.

 

I think the future forward parties are much better however they just wont make it. Thailand will not get what its need until its people wake up and change how they think and see that they should not protect corrupt politicians even if they are of their preferred political party. But I doubt this will happen anytime soon the customs of corruption and benefitting from it are to ingrained.

 

So I hope that this government loses big time and that there will be some investigations into members of this government just like what happend when the PTP was ousted. If that happens (can only hope) then maybe politicians in future will be more careful.

 

But i wont hold my breath.

[JonnyF]

24 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

He will hold on to power be it through a fraudulent ballot or the gun. 

Exactly. If the Junta are ever voted out of power (unlikely given how they've rigged the election system and eliminated the competition) they will simply wait a year or two until some minor event happens (flooding, drought etc.) and then steal power illegally again, proudly proclaiming it's for the good of Thailand and all Thai people. The ignorant will cheer. Those who object will risk physical violence and/or jail.

 

And so the cycle will continue.

 

 

[RichardColeman]

46 minutes ago, dinsdale said:

He will hold on to power be it through a fraudulent ballot or the gun. 

neither, just appointing more pre-election seats in a quick constitutional will do it

[Sydebolle]

Big defeat in Bangkok would have been the beginning of end for Prayut’s government almost three years ago if not for illegalizing one political party. 

In any other country (except Myanmar or North Korea) the elections would have had to be repeated as the Thai model of March 2019 nullified more than 6 million votes. The interesting bit though is, that there was no real uproar on the Thai government's understanding of "democracy" ........ 
 

[robblok]

11 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

Exactly. If the Junta are ever voted out of power (unlikely given how they've rigged the election system and eliminated the competition) they will simply wait a year or two until some minor event happens (flooding, drought etc.) and then steal power illegally again, proudly proclaiming it's for the good of Thailand and all Thai people. The ignorant will cheer. Those who object will risk physical violence and/or jail.

 

And so the cycle will continue.

 

 

That might or might not happen. But do you know why so many people like me cheered for the removal of the PTP. Because when we came to Thailand we were confronted with the lies and corruption of this party. It was so hard to believe that this was real and nobody was doing anything.

 

So there was utter shock on my side not wanting to believe that it really was normal in Thai politics to be so corrupt and to stall investigations and to ignore newspapers and questions into graft. We thought can't be worse then this and a previous coup only stayed in power shortly. Now having lived to the Prayut government I know that both sides are just totally corrupt and have no morals. 

 

There is almost no difference between them at all, a drug dealer in government a gangster and murderer on the other side. Its scary to see how much alike they are. They also acted exactly the same, there was one different thing. The current mob has more power and exploits it even more. But basically, it does not matter what side is in power. Both will rob the country blind and not serve the people but their own pockets. 

 

Now i see the PTP as the lesser evil but once they are in power i will just attack them like i did this current MOB, as for me its about actions not political affiliation. 

[JonnyF]

2 minutes ago, robblok said:

That might or might not happen. But do you know why so many people like me cheered for the removal of the PTP. Because when we came to Thailand we were confronted with the lies and corruption of this party. It was so hard to believe that this was real and nobody was doing anything.

 

So there was utter shock on my side not wanting to believe that it really was normal in Thai politics to be so corrupt and to stall investigations and to ignore newspapers and questions into graft. We thought can't be worse then this and a previous coup only stayed in power shortly. Now having lived to the Prayut government I know that both sides are just totally corrupt and have no morals. 

 

There is almost no difference between them at all, a drug dealer in government a gangster and murderer on the other side. Its scary to see how much alike they are. They also acted exactly the same, there was one different thing. The current mob has more power and exploits it even more. But basically, it does not matter what side is in power. Both will rob the country blind and not serve the people but their own pockets. 

 

Now i see the PTP as the lesser evil but once they are in power i will just attack them like i did this current MOB, as for me its about actions not political affiliation. 

I also dislike both sides and have no political affiliation to either. They key difference is that one was voted for by the Thai people and the other stole power through the barrel of a gun. One could be removed by the electorate if they were unpopular, one cannot. Thaksin brought huge investment into Thailand, creating jobs etc. Remember back when Thailand was an Asian Tiger and a fun, vibrant place to be? Seems an age away doesn't it...

 

Also, despite Thaksin's undoubted corruption he did do some positive things, he did throw the poor a few crumbs. The Junta has done nothing for the poor, absolutely nothing and has taken Thailand back decades. The gap between rich and poor has grown massively since he stole power. His vision is to return to the days of the serfs graaping at the feet of the lords. All the while spouting his fake puritanism and donning his pious demeanour.

 

Thaksin was much better for Thailand than Prayut has been or could ever be, the fact that your house got flooded during his premiership should not cloud your ability to see that.

[robblok]

20 minutes ago, JonnyF said:

I also dislike both sides and have no political affiliation to either. They key difference is that one was voted for by the Thai people and the other stole power through the barrel of a gun. One could be removed by the electorate if they were unpopular, one cannot. Thaksin brought huge investment into Thailand, creating jobs etc. Remember back when Thailand was an Asian Tiger and a fun, vibrant place to be? Seems an age away doesn't it...

 

Also, despite Thaksin's undoubted corruption he did do some positive things, he did throw the poor a few crumbs. The Junta has done nothing for the poor, absolutely nothing and has taken Thailand back decades. The gap between rich and poor has grown massively since he stole power. His vision is to return to the days of the serfs graaping at the feet of the lords. All the while spouting his fake puritanism and donning his pious demeanour.

 

Thaksin was much better for Thailand than Prayut has been or could ever be, the fact that your house got flooded during his premiership should not cloud your ability to see that.

Has nothing to do with my house being flooded, im sure the Prayut clan would have been equally incompetent / hidden the facts and lied. I don't see much difference. As for Thaksin being better, perhaps your right about the few bread crumbs not going to dispute that.

 

However you can't compare economic performance rovent as the two periods were totally different. Countries economies get better and worse based on the world economy. Can't dispute that covid and other stuff mad it a lot harder for Prayut to rule (thankfully its the push that will bring him down had the economy be in his advantage he would be far more popular).  There is a lot of evidence based for my assertion. just look it up how much a good government can influence its performance to outperform the world economy. Its a percent at most. 

 

I think that the junta has paid the people far more then Thaksin ever did (not happily of course but just look at the massive payouts to the public). But that does not make it any less true that for Thais the Thaksin period was economically better.

 

Yes your right one was voted in the other forced in. But Thaksin was not much better at being nice to the serfs, just had more economic wind in his back. I doubt both sides are close to the public. YL with her expensive boots during the floods, and her crazy minister in his historical Thai clothing. Now you got Prayut and his pet frog and their disdain of the people. I don't see any of those hi so ministers ever being down to earth (maybe a few exceptions)

 

To me its all the same but I won't cheer for any PTP victory or junta coup. I might cheer if a better government ever takes place but i highly doubt that it will happen anytime soon. 

 

I think you and I don't see things that different, i was just more naive at that point thinking things could only get better. Just not used to the way the public was treated by politicians and the massive corruption. Im pretty sure had i come in during the Prayut administration I would see them as evil and think the PTP was good (not having seen their handiwork up close). My mistake its just hard for me to believe how bad the politicians are in this country. 

 

[spidermike007]

Let us hope and pray. This extremely toxic administration is destroying the economy, decimating tourism with extreme cowardice, attempting to wipe out the nightlife, with their bizarre notions of (fake) purity, and moving Thailand backwards into a far poorer, less progressive nation. If they keep up their antics, Thailand could drop 80 places in GDP within our lifetimes. Out with the dinosaurs, in with the youth. 

[Dumbfounded]

Which other government in the world prioritized the purchase of subs and fighter jets and going to the moon ahead of helping its struggling population during covid?

[rudi49jr]

48 minutes ago, Dumbfounded said:

Which other government in the world prioritized the purchase of subs and fighter jets and going to the moon ahead of helping its struggling population during covid?

North Korea?

[rudi49jr]

5 hours ago, robblok said:

That might or might not happen. But do you know why so many people like me cheered for the removal of the PTP. Because when we came to Thailand we were confronted with the lies and corruption of this party. It was so hard to believe that this was real and nobody was doing anything.

 

So there was utter shock on my side not wanting to believe that it really was normal in Thai politics to be so corrupt and to stall investigations and to ignore newspapers and questions into graft. We thought can't be worse then this and a previous coup only stayed in power shortly. Now having lived to the Prayut government I know that both sides are just totally corrupt and have no morals. 

 

There is almost no difference between them at all, a drug dealer in government a gangster and murderer on the other side. Its scary to see how much alike they are. They also acted exactly the same, there was one different thing. The current mob has more power and exploits it even more. But basically, it does not matter what side is in power. Both will rob the country blind and not serve the people but their own pockets. 

 

Now i see the PTP as the lesser evil but once they are in power i will just attack them like i did this current MOB, as for me its about actions not political affiliation. 

The problem is that the whole Thai society is corrupt through and through, because a vast majority of the people think it’s okay. It’s a way of life, and has been for a very long time. Consecutive polls over decades have shown time and time again that some 60 - 70% of Thai people have absolutely no problem with corruption, as long as they can benefit from it. That mindset needs to change before anything else can change. 

[NoshowJones]

6 hours ago, hotchilli said:

Nice try @steven100... you must be devastated. [I do like you]

The end of Prayuts reign is slowly coming to fruition, voters have over the last 2 years or more seen the real PM &Co and had enough, now it's time for a change from Prayut & Fatty running the show with their power games.

No more barracks games closing ranks.

This is about Thailand and what the people need.

Yes, get the unelected buffoon out along with the other Chuckle Brother and the rest of his Junta. He makes circus clowns look normal.

[spidermike007]

8 hours ago, JonnyF said:

I also dislike both sides and have no political affiliation to either. They key difference is that one was voted for by the Thai people and the other stole power through the barrel of a gun. One could be removed by the electorate if they were unpopular, one cannot. Thaksin brought huge investment into Thailand, creating jobs etc. Remember back when Thailand was an Asian Tiger and a fun, vibrant place to be? Seems an age away doesn't it...

 

Also, despite Thaksin's undoubted corruption he did do some positive things, he did throw the poor a few crumbs. The Junta has done nothing for the poor, absolutely nothing and has taken Thailand back decades. The gap between rich and poor has grown massively since he stole power. His vision is to return to the days of the serfs graaping at the feet of the lords. All the while spouting his fake puritanism and donning his pious demeanour.

 

Thaksin was much better for Thailand than Prayut has been or could ever be, the fact that your house got flooded during his premiership should not cloud your ability to see that.

There is a reason why he is still loved by millions of common Thais, whereas Prayuth is only supported by 2%, and utterly despised by the rest of us. 

[baboon]

14 hours ago, robblok said:

I think that the junta has paid the people far more then Thaksin ever did (not happily of course but just look at the massive payouts to the public). But that does not make it any less true that for Thais the Thaksin period was economically better.

Mrs. baboon was in line for a handout until they clocked her surname. She was then basically told to p!ss off. Another woman with a foreign husband received the same treatment. 

Both women can enjoy hospital care for just a few Baht.

 

I hate the Shinawatras about as much as you, but they are a dream compared to these fascists. Me, I am rooting for the progressive movement. Give the country to the young.

[Chelseafan]

12 hours ago, rudi49jr said:

The problem is that the whole Thai society is corrupt through and through, because a vast majority of the people think it’s okay. It’s a way of life, and has been for a very long time. Consecutive polls over decades have shown time and time again that some 60 - 70% of Thai people have absolutely no problem with corruption, as long as they can benefit from it. That mindset needs to change before anything else can change. 

Anyone who tries to change it or dig too deep into others affairs may not live long....

 

[Soikhaonoiken]

My fingers and toes are crossed, oh Buddha please.... ????????????

[robblok]

4 hours ago, baboon said:

Mrs. baboon was in line for a handout until they clocked her surname. She was then basically told to p!ss off. Another woman with a foreign husband received the same treatment. 

Both women can enjoy hospital care for just a few Baht.

 

I hate the Shinawatras about as much as you, but they are a dream compared to these fascists. Me, I am rooting for the progressive movement. Give the country to the young.

I am rooting for the progressive movement too. I don't see the Shins as a solution, nor do I see the current mob as a solution. If i now have to choose the lesser evil is the Shins.

 

Totally crazy that your wife did not get the money. Sometimes things can be really racist in Thailand. I wonder if it came top down or just decided by the ones who distributed the handout.

[Mitkof Island]

Good time to end the current clown show and move onto the next chapter of corruption at its finest. No matter what the rich are in total control. No different than many other countries.

[MSMU1993]

Countdown to Coup 2023 is running....

[NanaSomchai]

32 minutes ago, MSMU1993 said:

Countdown to Coup 2023 is running....

Hopefully.